Yet another game developer driven out of her home by internet misogynists

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Subyman

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This post is a joke.

Wu has had an opportunity to delve deep into it on a radio show but she declined because they were prepared to ask her questions that she didn't want to answer because they'd show her for what she really is.

You should seriously watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45H25Sc6fig

I watched it. Both sides have decent points. However, I'd find it hard to believe that a "cabal" is going around massaging the headlines. The lady in the video couldn't offer a motive for this cabal, or why the journalists would suddenly put their jobs on the line to promote some indie developers. A few people slept with Zoe, but that doesn't account for nearly every journalist. A trade forum isn't the smoking gun. I've been a part of a few mailing groups for my profession.

IMO, I think there is a massive misunderstanding as I've said in another thread. I think people see journalists denouncing the hateful threats as being for feminism, some are no doubt. I think a lot of people are arguing from different angles such as journalistic integrity, feminism, anti-bullying, social engineering, women in the workplace, and on and on. There isn't a consistent argument taking place, so it is very hard to have an actual discussion, as we can see from this thread. My first several posts were just trying to understand if people thought she somehow deserved the harassment. Just getting to the point that pretty much everyone thought it was wrong to harass her was a chore lol.

Oh this is tiring haha.
 

ThinClient

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I watched it. Both sides have decent points. However, I'd find it hard to believe that a "cabal" is going around massaging the headlines. The lady in the video couldn't offer a motive for this cabal, or why the journalists would suddenly put their jobs on the line to promote some indie developers. A few people slept with Zoe, but that doesn't account for nearly every journalist. A trade forum isn't the smoking gun. I've been a part of a few mailing groups for my profession.

If this is what you think of GamerGate, then you haven't been paying attention or reading the massive quantity of content written by that cabal, the leaked emails (more than just a few dumb highlights), the broad scope of everyone involved (seriously, go look at the list of who all is involved, it's almost literally everyone in game journalism).

Maybe you're not interested in understanding what's really going on or don't understand how game journalism profits from the actions they've been caught doing red-handed, and that's okay. Not everyone wants to know what's really going on. Not everyone cares.

IMO, I think there is a massive misunderstanding as I've said in another thread. I think people see journalists denouncing the hateful threats as being for feminism, some are no doubt. I think a lot of people are arguing from different angles such as journalistic integrity, feminism, anti-bullying, social engineering, women in the workplace, and on and on. There isn't a consistent argument taking place, so it is very hard to have an actual discussion, as we can see from this thread. My first several posts were just trying to understand if people thought she somehow deserved the harassment. Just getting to the point that pretty much everyone thought it was wrong to harass her was a chore lol.

Oh this is tiring haha.

If you want to know if she deserved the harassment, why didn't you just ask "Do you think she deserved the harassment"? It's not a hard question to ask. I just asked it. I answered it earlier too, as soon as you actually typed out the question to which you were trying to ask before that.

It wasn't a chore at all getting to that point. If you want to know an answer to the question, ask the question plainly. Derp.
 

Fulle

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Aug 18, 2008
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It's interesting how my comment that people should have personal accountability, got twisted into some nonsense about how men should have more control over their impulses. That is one of the typical responses, though. I can agree that in a perfect society, a person would be able to feel safe no matter what, but a perfect society would have a lot of impossible things. In the real world, actions have consequences.

"Actions have consequences", and "people have a level of personal accountability", isn't the same as saying "threatening others is OK".

Picture an angry mob of people standing in the street with picket signs. Some are shouting and cussing, others are well dressed, and standing peacefully with their picket signs. The overall tone of the group, though, is that they're fed up with something.

There's a lot of rational response to seeing this. Maybe I'd decide to walk up to one of the people who seems less visibly angry, and ask "What's going on?". I could get close enough to hear the people shouting, and take note of what they're saying. If I disagree with the message, I'd certainly keep that to myself, until I'm out of range of the angry mob.

Approaching the mob, with a "You're all crybabies!" sign, shouting "Waaa! Waaa!", wouldn't be the smartest thing to do.

Of course, the internet isn't the street, but this is the best way to describe how I see much of Wu's actions.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Jan 24, 2004
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If this is what you think of GamerGate, then you haven't been paying attention or reading the massive quantity of content written by that cabal, the leaked emails (more than just a few dumb highlights), the broad scope of everyone involved (seriously, go look at the list of who all is involved, it's almost literally everyone in game journalism).

Maybe you're not interested in understanding what's really going on or don't understand how game journalism profits from the actions they've been caught doing red-handed, and that's okay. Not everyone wants to know what's really going on. Not everyone cares.

If you want to know if she deserved the harassment, why didn't you just ask "Do you think she deserved the harassment"? It's not a hard question to ask. I just asked it. I answered it earlier too, as soon as you actually typed out the question to which you were trying to ask before that.

It wasn't a chore at all getting to that point. If you want to know an answer to the question, ask the question plainly. Derp.

It's not surprising that news sources aren't being baiting by your and those like you trolling, and that they discussed not doing so.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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It's funny to watch trolls pour gasoline on the fire with passive aggressive personal insults like this while not adding anything to the discussion.

Your actions and statements stand for themselves. Everyone looking in from the outside is laughing at you.
 
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The point here is the person, not the shark. People are responsible for the situations that they place themselves in. Unfortunately, at this point in the feminist revolution, women are never considered to be responsible for their actions. Feminism has become about gaining the privileges of being a man but taking on none of the obligations & responsibilities.

How dare she expect to come into our world and not be subject to rape threats, or death threats, or publicly posting her address online accompanied by threats of violence against her and her family? She knew what she was doing when she attempted to engage in conversation with men. That's what we do! Now shut up or I'll rape you to death. LOL. Wait a minute, that's not funny; that's just inexcusably awful behavior on my part. I apologize.

I think that we should expect a reasonable level of decorum when addressing one another, even behind the guise of anonymity the internet offers. Excusing the actions of people whose method of interaction doesn't rise above the potty mouth of your average 12-year-old Xbox Live user isn't striking a blow for social justice, it's deciding that we shouldn't tolerate people being a-holes to each other. Death threats are never an acceptable form of rhetoric, no matter how much a particular topic may upset you. As soon as you resort to that, you've lost every single facet of the argument, no matter how righteous your cause might be.
 

irishScott

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How does she know they're being hacked? Is she backtracing their IPs? Will the consequences ever be the same?

This is why I think these people are phonies. Probably some SJW trying to prove that the evil menz hate womyn!!!!

Possibly they got her account numbers but not her pin and got locked out during attempts? Plenty of ways banks detect suspicious behavior.
 

Gargen

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She really thinks someone is gonna come to her house and kill her? Because of video games? Lawl.

What we have here is an out of control ego + victim complex.
Feel free to post your real name and address here. I feel that it might give some weight to your point.

Stopped in this thread just to see if futurefields or smackababy put their own personal information on the line to prove how little it means. I'm not surprised with the result (and they're not even being threatened).
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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As a normal person, walking into threads like these where the dredges of society thrives it is really disturbing, but go ahead roll your eyes and enjoy yourself and wonder why the opinions of people outside of this all are so different and no one will "discuss" the "real" issues with you.
 

BoberFett

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How dare she expect to come into our world and not be subject to rape threats, or death threats, or publicly posting her address online accompanied by threats of violence against her and her family? She knew what she was doing when she attempted to engage in conversation with men. That's what we do! Now shut up or I'll rape you to death. LOL. Wait a minute, that's not funny; that's just inexcusably awful behavior on my part. I apologize.

I think that we should expect a reasonable level of decorum when addressing one another, even behind the guise of anonymity the internet offers. Excusing the actions of people whose method of interaction doesn't rise above the potty mouth of your average 12-year-old Xbox Live user isn't striking a blow for social justice, it's deciding that we shouldn't tolerate people being a-holes to each other. Death threats are never an acceptable form of rhetoric, no matter how much a particular topic may upset you. As soon as you resort to that, you've lost every single facet of the argument, no matter how righteous your cause might be.


A couple of points:

1. She was not engaging in conversation with men. These recent professional victims have done nothing of the sort. They get on Tumblr or Twitter or or other SJW soapbox of preference, and post inflammatory comments about how millions of people around the world (in this case gamers) are horrible people who hate women. That's not a conversation.

2. It sounds like one anonymous internet troll has done something shitty by threatening her. Remind me, are we for or against stereotypes and blanket statements? These "Gamer Grrrlz" or whatever the fuck they are seem to be against stereotypes of women, but sure love to throw blanket statements around when it suits them. Quite the double standard.
 

BoberFett

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As a normal person, walking into threads like these where the dredges of society thrives it is really disturbing, but go ahead roll your eyes and enjoy yourself and wonder why the opinions of people outside of this all are so different and no one will "discuss" the "real" issues with you.

So now you've appointed yourself the arbiter of normality?

Again, you're not discussing anything. Like these attention seekers, you run in, throw a bomb, then run away, acting like you've achieved some great social justice. Yes, telling people they're the "dredges of society", that's a great conversation starter. If you recall, that's a large part of how this all started. Gaming "journalists" declared that gamers were horrible people and should cease to exist.

You and the other social justice warriors like you are a joke. That you think you're the average outsider is hilarious. Most people want nothing to do with your ridiculous crusade.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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So now you've appointed yourself the arbiter of normality?

Again, you're not discussing anything. Like these attention seekers, you run in, throw a bomb, then run away, acting like you've achieved some great social justice. Yes, telling people they're the "dredges of society", that's a great conversation starter. If you recall, that's a large part of how this all started. Gaming "journalists" declared that gamers were horrible people and should cease to exist.

You and the other social justice warriors like you are a joke. That you think you're the average outsider is hilarious. Most people want nothing to do with your ridiculous crusade.

No, I'm normal because I actually take things with a grain of salt and judge situations.

It's impossible for anyone not normal to behave in a way other than I am because this thread is simply a cesspit dredged up by some truly deranged people. People that couldn't function in society if they actually publicly discussed their opinions. So go on tell me how I should walk into a pit of feces and not behave in any way but disgusted.

You seem to think I give a shit about this kind of stuff, when in reality I'm talking from the middle and you're so far gone that everything is brown to you.
 

BoberFett

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Oct 9, 1999
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No, I'm normal because I actually take things with a grain of salt and judge situations.

It's impossible for anyone not normal to behave in a way other than I am because this thread is simply a cesspit dredged up by some truly deranged people. People that couldn't function in society if they actually publicly discussed their opinions. So go on tell me how I should walk into a pit of feces and not behave in any way but disgusted.

You seem to think I give a shit about this kind of stuff, when in reality I'm talking from the middle and you're so far gone that everything is brown to you.

Your self righteousness knows no bounds.
 

futurefields

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Stopped in this thread just to see if futurefields or smackababy put their own personal information on the line to prove how little it means. I'm not surprised with the result (and they're not even being threatened).

well to be honest, I didn't know when I made my original comment that her personal address had been doxed.

<-- guilty of not reading the entire story before commenting...

i do think that crosses a line. but i also think certain people are drawn to and court controversy. i don't really know here. they say if you take self defense classes to learn how to defend yourself in a knife fight, you're more likely to end up in a knife fight. does it mean anything?

i just think this whole gamergate thing is a toxic distraction. i'd rather stick to gaming.
 

BoberFett

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Same thing I said. "Pit of Feces" comes to mind.

I'm actually medically retired. My workplace was weird... Smackababy worked in my office

Mine said that Ayashi sounds like a real prick. There, we've both invented phony responses by imaginary people. That was productive.
 

WelshBloke

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You and the other social justice warriors like you are a joke. That you think you're the average outsider is hilarious.

Really?

You think not wanting people threatened with sexual and physical violence makes people social justice warriors?

Is that how you react at work if someone says something that you don't agree with? You think it's OK to threaten to rape or kill them?

And you think other people are out of touch with the mainstream?
 

HeXen

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She really thinks someone is gonna come to her house and kill her? Because of video games? Lawl.

What we have here is an out of control ego + victim complex.

People go to others houses and kill/rape over far less. If you entire identity and addresses are posted like that along with such an influx of threats. Would be a bit arrogant in the least to ignore it as it only takes one crazy person to end your life. Look at the story of that teenager that killed his own dad because he wouldn't let him play video games when he wanted to.
 

BoberFett

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Really?

You think not wanting people threatened with sexual and physical violence makes people social justice warriors?

Is that how you react at work if someone says something that you don't agree with? You think it's OK to threaten to rape or kill them?

And you think other people are out of touch with the mainstream?



Oh good, another one. Please point to where I said it's OK to threaten to rape or kill anyone.

If you can do that, I'll concede that I am a horrible person.
 
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