Yet another police killing on video

[GarfieldtheCat]

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-sheriff-video-20151223-story.html

2 cops grab man after fleeing on a bicycle.
Both cops are on top of man holding him down
Cop #1 sees a gun, grabs it from man.
Cop #2 pulls his gun and shoots at man, hits cop #1 instead
Man screams he didn't shoot anyone
Cop #2 shoots him again
Cop #1 gets up and shoots him 3 more times

Guess what, DA said nothing was wrong, no charges, the cops are good.

Looks like a nice execution to me. Especially the last 3 shots at point blank range.

Typical for cops though.

 

[thraashman]

This article is from December. I'm surprised I haven't heard about this one before.

 

[Genx87]

This article is from December. I'm surprised I haven't heard about this one before.

So many of these shootings it is hard to keep track. I really liked the FB discussions on these police shootings. The complaint of cops isnt these shootings happen. It is they are being caught. And it is now hard to be a cop because everybody is video taping their every violation of our rights.

 

[JSt0rm]

cops have been preying on the lower classes since BC. We just now all get to witness it first hand. We are in a turbulent stage, the police need to change the way they work with people and thats going to take about 20 years. So the problem is a long term one.

 

[JSt0rm]

its sad. A childhood friend of mine is a detective. Last night I just sent him a message on fb saying to stay safe. Im not anti cop but for them and us things need to change.

 

[Oyeve]

I wish we had easily accessible recording devices 20+ years ago. Police would be much different today. Now we have to wait 20 years for the police to not be overaggressive aholes.

 

[pauldun170]

cops have been preying on the lower classes since BC. We just now all get to witness it first hand. We are in a turbulent stage, the police need to change the way they work with people and thats going to take about 20 years. So the problem is a long term one.

Departments are upset because they no longer have control of the narrative.


https://photographyisnotacrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Noel-Aguilar-Wrongful-Death-Report.pdf

 

[Phynaz]

Cookie to first SJW that posts an article more than 10 years old.

 

[JSt0rm]

Departments are upset because they no longer have control of the narrative.


https://photographyisnotacrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Noel-Aguilar-Wrongful-Death-Report.pdf

You cant stop technology. They have to change how they police on a fundamental level.

 

[bshole]

The other side of the argument is that the victim in this shooting was a violent gang banger with a long record. He was resisting arrest and had a GUN on his person. These are the people most likely to kill a cop during an arrest. This may explain the mindset of the arresting officers.

I did not watch the video so I have no idea if the above explanation is sufficient.

If you are going to make a career out of robbing and terrorizing the rest of the populace, I have a difficulty mustering empathy if you are killed. That is an assumed risk for street thugs.

 

[SheHateMe]

There's this thing called due process. Thug or not. When a cop can execute you after he effed up and shot his partner and BLAMED it on you....that's wrong.

Especially since after shooting him the first time, he finished him off.


If that's the kind of stuff you think is okay because someone has a record....don't start whining about people who get upset enough about this kind of stuff to wish death on cops.

 

[bshole]

There's this thing called due process. Thug or not. When a cop can execute you after he effed up and shot his partner and BLAMED it on you....that's wrong.

Especially since after shooting him the first time, he finished him off.


If that's the kind of stuff you think is okay because someone has a record....don't start whining about people who get upset enough about this kind of stuff to wish death on cops.

I am thinking more from the cops point of view. They knew he was a violent gang member, they did NOT know he had a gun. The guy was resisting arrest while in possession of a hand gun. That is an EXTREMELY dangerous position to be in for a cop. Cops do get killed in instances like this. I expect it was a fear reaction on the part of the police and not entirely unjustified, it was instinctual. Once the first shot is fired, it is 100% fight or flight. It is probably beyond conscious control. I do not believe it was a premeditated, I am going to go kill a gang banger thing. It was an oh shit he has a gun and could kill me thing.

Once again I did not watch the video so I admit I could be completely off base on this.

 

[emperus]

Departments are upset because they no longer have control of the narrative.


https://photographyisnotacrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Noel-Aguilar-Wrongful-Death-Report.pdf

Read that, the Cop's verbal commands don't seem to mesh with the video. Maybe I just can't hear everything.

 

[Jaskalas]

I am thinking more from the cops point of view. They knew he was a violent gang member, they did NOT know he had a gun. The guy was resisting arrest while in possession of a hand gun. That is an EXTREMELY dangerous position to be in for a cop. Cops do get killed in instances like this. I expect it was a fear reaction on the part of the police and not entirely unjustified, it was instinctual. Once the first shot is fired, it is 100% fight or flight. It is probably beyond conscious control. I do not believe it was a premeditated, I am going to go kill a gang banger thing. It was an oh shit he has a gun and could kill me thing.

Once again I did not watch the video so I admit I could be completely off base on this.

Two facts. The man had a gun, he resisted arrest.
Can anyone explain why a person would struggle and fight with police?

As far as your assumptions bshole, I watched the video and:

Cop #1 sees a gun, grabs it from man.
Cop #2 pulls his gun and shoots at man, hits cop #1 instead
Man screams he didn't shoot anyone
Cop #2 shoots him again
Cop #1 gets up and shoots him 3 more times

They disarmed him, then proceeded to murder him.

 

[BeeBoop]

I don't see anything wrong here. Guy resisted arrest and had an illegal gun on himself. When you resist arrest and have a gun on yourself, confusion happens. Cops did the right thing and eliminated the threat.

 

[chucky2]

I don't see anything wrong here. Guy resisted arrest and had an illegal gun on himself. When you resist arrest and have a gun on yourself, confusion happens. Cops did the right thing and eliminated the threat.

I have not watched the video while VPN'd, but...

...WTF man?! From the posts in this thread, if cop #1 disarmed him, then WhyTF would he shoot him 3x? About the only way I can see this from the cops perspective is:

Cop 1: Disarms him but then is shot, like previously said fight or flight kicks in and, after getting shot - which might not even register in the logic structure at that point it was from his F'ing partner - figures I just got shot this guy has another gun somehow and just shot me, so he shoots him 3x.

Cop 2: I'm going to assume he sees or hears his partner disarm the guy, so I cannot imagine why he'd feel the need to shoot him.

I mean, I'm all for firing up these worthless mofos, I don't see it as a loss to society at all, but there has to be at least a somewhat credible basis for offing US Citizens, however scummy. If only we could ship them out for a like trade of legal Latinos...

 

[Jodell88]

I don't see anything wrong here. Guy resisted arrest and had an illegal gun on himself. When you resist arrest and have a gun on yourself, confusion happens. Cops did the right thing and eliminated the threat.

The fuck you think this is, Judge Dredd? D:

Also, I'm scratching America off the places visit. It'll be safer for me to go Venezuela. Cheaper as well.

 

[BeeBoop]

I have not watched the video while VPN'd, but...

...WTF man?! From the posts in this thread, if cop #1 disarmed him, then WhyTF would he shoot him 3x? About the only way I can see this from the cops perspective is:

Cop 1: Disarms him but then is shot, like previously said fight or flight kicks in and, after getting shot - which might not even register in the logic structure at that point it was from his F'ing partner - figures I just got shot this guy has another gun somehow and just shot me, so he shoots him 3x.

Cop 2: I'm going to assume he sees or hears his partner disarm the guy, so I cannot imagine why he'd feel the need to shoot him.

I mean, I'm all for firing up these worthless mofos, I don't see it as a loss to society at all, but there has to be at least a somewhat credible basis for offing US Citizens, however scummy. If only we could ship them out for a like trade of legal Latinos...

Because cop #1 got shot, so cop #1 pulls his gun to eliminate the threat.

 

[SheHateMe]

Because cop #1 got shot, so cop #1 pulls his gun to eliminate the threat.

Cop #1 was shot by his partner...Cop #2. Keep up.

 

[chucky2]

The fuck you think this is, Judge Dredd? D:

Really that's exactly what a lot of these locales need.

Also, I'm scratching America off the places visit. It'll be safer for me to go Venezuela. Cheaper as well.

America is a fine place to visit, as long as you stay out of shitholes and don't antagonize the police, ignore their orders, struggle/fight with them, and/or carry weapons you're not supposed to have on you. I.e. don't do dumb shit and you're generally fine with the police.

Because cop #1 got shot, so cop #1 pulls his gun to eliminate the threat.

Cop 1 disarmed the suspect though (or at least took one gun off him). So unless Cop 1 a.) doesn't realize it was his own partner that shot him and b.) thinks the criminal had another weapon, there is really no basis for shooting him. I can't wait to watch this video.

For those that have, can I get a tarp color teaser? :biggrin:

 

[BeeBoop]

It's very reasonable to believe that the suspect had another weapon considering that cop #1 got shot at. Resisting arrest with a illegal weapon can cause confusion!

 

[pauldun170]

Aguilar was guilty of looking at police officers.
Officers began pursuit because Aguilar rode away from them.
Aguilar is "urban" and had low riding pants and when idiots who wear pants like that run, they need to constantly grab their pants.
Officers can then say "reaching for waist band" in their report to justify further actions if needed.

Lesson to be learned here is that people should wear properly fitting pants if they plan on running from police who want to detain them for the crime of "looking at police"

 

[DrunkenSano]

Wasn't Aguilar also a gangbanger?

 

[chucky2]

Wasn't Aguilar also a gangbanger?

No No, he a good boy...

 

[pauldun170]

Wasn't Aguilar also a gangbanger?

Was he in the middle of a gangbang when police initiated pursuit?