You are single and have $1,000,000 in assets.

[Poulsonator]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Absolutely would get a prenup.

Getting one is simply smart business. And if the other truly loves you and expects the marriage to last, he/she will have no problem signing it.

The argument could just as easily be made that if you thought the other truly loved you, one wouldn't be needed.

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I haven't seen any response to the previous post about how the people who support prenups would feel if they were asked to sign one...

I support pre-nups and would sign one if asked, no problem. Why wouldn't I? As most others here have said, it's smart business.

 

[venkman]

if you have significant assets or growing your own business, yes a pre-nup is mandatory as insurance. If not and the both of you work, I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Absolutely would get a prenup.

Getting one is simply smart business. And if the other truly loves you and expects the marriage to last, he/she will have no problem signing it.

The argument could just as easily be made that if you thought the other truly loved you, one wouldn't be needed.

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I haven't seen any response to the previous post about how the people who support prenups would feel if they were asked to sign one...

I support pre-nups and would sign one if asked, no problem. Why wouldn't I? As most others here have said, it's smart business.

Because it indicates a lack of trust in the other (and your own judgement). It's heartless business. Seems that it would be better to not get married or to create a corporation with the two of you as officers.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: venkman
if you have significant assets or growing your own business, yes a pre-nup is mandatory as insurance. If not and the both of you work, I wouldn't worry about it.

This would be the exception. If one had a billion $ and the other didn't, ... But then I fall back on 'why get married?'.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Absolutely would get a prenup.

Getting one is simply smart business. And if the other truly loves you and expects the marriage to last, he/she will have no problem signing it.

The argument could just as easily be made that if you thought the other truly loved you, one wouldn't be needed.

---

I haven't seen any response to the previous post about how the people who support prenups would feel if they were asked to sign one...

I support pre-nups and would sign one if asked, no problem. Why wouldn't I? As most others here have said, it's smart business.

Marriage =/= business.

 

[Poulsonator]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Absolutely would get a prenup.

Getting one is simply smart business. And if the other truly loves you and expects the marriage to last, he/she will have no problem signing it.

The argument could just as easily be made that if you thought the other truly loved you, one wouldn't be needed.

---

I haven't seen any response to the previous post about how the people who support prenups would feel if they were asked to sign one...

I support pre-nups and would sign one if asked, no problem. Why wouldn't I? As most others here have said, it's smart business.

Because it indicates a lack of trust in the other (and your own judgement). It's heartless business. Seems that it would be better to not get married or to create a corporation with the two of you as officers.

It doesn't indicate a lack of trust in the least bit. Before the marriage, what's mine is mine, what's yours is yours. What's earned while married is ours. Seriously, why is that a big deal?

I don't get why people are saying it shows a lack of trust/judgment. Well, I guess I do as some folks here are pretty naive. No matter what you think you know, what you think you have covered, what you think you're prepared for, shit happens. Why wouldn't you want to be prepared 'just in case'? The insurance analogy is perfect.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Absolutely would get a prenup.

Getting one is simply smart business. And if the other truly loves you and expects the marriage to last, he/she will have no problem signing it.

The argument could just as easily be made that if you thought the other truly loved you, one wouldn't be needed.

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I haven't seen any response to the previous post about how the people who support prenups would feel if they were asked to sign one...

I support pre-nups and would sign one if asked, no problem. Why wouldn't I? As most others here have said, it's smart business.

Marriage =/= business.

Maybe not in the 50's but it sure as hell is these days. If you cannot see that then you may end up on the short end of the stick. Morality has slipped so much and people get married with the idea that if it isn't great they will just get a divorce since society no longer frowns upon spitting up. If you have assets and you don't have a prenup you are naive. There are plenty of woman out there with the mentality that half his shit is just great if he turns out not to be.

 

[fleabag]

Originally posted by: thatguy82

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: irishScott
So if I marry someone who I'm 99.9% sure wouldn't go that route I'm gambling? In any way other than the technical definition?

Nothing in life is certain.

EVERYBODY marries someone who they're 99.9% sure wouldn't do that. See my previous comment about auto coverage. Nobody EXPECTS to run into a tree, but there's such a thing as being prudent and prepared.

Sorry if it's not "romantic" enough. I guess that's why there are still so many guys living in one bedroom dumps and sending half their checks to their exes.

Not everybody does that, many people don't put enough thought into marriage and only think about the "romantic" stuff.

If we made people wait at least a year to get married, we would likely have a much higher percentage of successful marriages.

WAT????

I think he's onto something. I bet if people waited 100 years before getting married there would be even higher percentage of successful marriages.

That would assume that most people get married early. Problem is, I've heard far more marriages failing despite the fact that the people have moved in with each other or have been together for a really long time. I don't know, something about marriage makes people get cabin fever and they go nuts even though they have been living together for years...

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Absolutely would get a prenup.

Getting one is simply smart business. And if the other truly loves you and expects the marriage to last, he/she will have no problem signing it.

The argument could just as easily be made that if you thought the other truly loved you, one wouldn't be needed.

---

I haven't seen any response to the previous post about how the people who support prenups would feel if they were asked to sign one...

I support pre-nups and would sign one if asked, no problem. Why wouldn't I? As most others here have said, it's smart business.

Marriage =/= business.

All marriage is now-a-days is just a contract signing between two parties. Sounds business like to me.

 

[venkman]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: venkman
if you have significant assets or growing your own business, yes a pre-nup is mandatory as insurance. If not and the both of you work, I wouldn't worry about it.

This would be the exception. If one had a billion $ and the other didn't, ... But then I fall back on 'why get married?'.

it doesn't have to billions, I think the million in the original title is enough for a pre-nup unless she is already in the same financial ball game as you.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Absolutely would get a prenup.

Getting one is simply smart business. And if the other truly loves you and expects the marriage to last, he/she will have no problem signing it.

The argument could just as easily be made that if you thought the other truly loved you, one wouldn't be needed.

---

I haven't seen any response to the previous post about how the people who support prenups would feel if they were asked to sign one...

I support pre-nups and would sign one if asked, no problem. Why wouldn't I? As most others here have said, it's smart business.

Because it indicates a lack of trust in the other (and your own judgement). It's heartless business. Seems that it would be better to not get married or to create a corporation with the two of you as officers.

It doesn't indicate a lack of trust in the least bit. Before the marriage, what's mine is mine, what's yours is yours. What's earned while married is ours. Seriously, why is that a big deal?

I don't get why people are saying it shows a lack of trust/judgment. Well, I guess I do as some folks here are pretty naive. No matter what you think you know, what you think you have covered, what you think you're prepared for, shit happens. Why wouldn't you want to be prepared 'just in case'? The insurance analogy is perfect.

It absolutely does indicate a lack of trust or confidence somewhere.

The yours, mine and ours scenario is quite simple. But I would guess there are few divorces that end this simple. Say you have a business. Your wife increases the business value in tangible and intangible ways. It would not be easy to divvy this up at all. Say you work and your wife stays home with kids or a home business. Or maybe works on the house and increases its value. I could go on and on but most of my examples are ones that a prenup not could predict - or ones that a court would rule a certain way anyways. So, why even get the prenup?

Did you ever think that is it's you being naive? I hear that it's not uncommon for a prenup to be broken in divorce court, anyway. It would be interesting, if possible, to get statistics on divorce settlements with identical circumstances with vs. without prenups.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: seemingly random
I haven't seen any response to the previous post about how the people who support prenups would feel if they were asked to sign one...

I'd sign it. If she's worth more than me and the numbers clearly state this, I'm not ashamed to admit it.

The other side of the coin is that any person who refuses to sign a prenup probably has some fantasy idea of what a marriage is all about. Historically marriage has been a business arrangement, and it still is today; that's why people go to court and sue each other when it ends.

You need to ask yourself why you are getting married. If your answer sounds something like "to show we love each other" then your relationship is already a complete failure and you should end it right now.

 

[Poulsonator]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

It absolutely does indicate a lack of trust or confidence somewhere.

The yours, mine and ours scenario is quite simple. But I would guess there are few divorces that end this simple. Say you have a business. Your wife increases the business value in tangible and intangible ways. It would not be easy to divvy this up at all. Say you work and your wife stays home with kids or a home business. Or maybe works on the house and increases its value. I could go on and on but most of my examples are ones that a prenup not could predict - or ones that a court would rule a certain way anyways. So, why even get the prenup?

Did you ever think that is it's you being naive? I hear that it's not uncommon for a prenup to be broken in divorce court, anyway. It would be interesting, if possible, to get statistics on divorce settlements with identical circumstances with vs. without prenups.

"Baby, I love you and want to marry you. For my piece of mind and well being, I want you to sign this pre-nup. It's for my protection, just in case the unthinkable happens."

Are you gonna say "Yes, of course, honey...whatever you want. I want to make you feel comfortable and make you as happy as possible. I'm not interested in what's yours, I'm interested in creating ours."? Or are you gonna say "Nope, all this pre-nup shows it that you don't trust me. You don't really love me. Now get the fuck out."?

Just because something wouldn't be easy to divvy up doesn't mean it can't be done. Your examples all have monetary values that can be traced to points in time to help figure out worth and how much $$$ goes to each party.

I'm not naive, I'm just being real. You said it yourself...could not predict. Exactly. You cannot predict the future. Again, why someone wouldn't want to protect/insure themselves is beyond me.

Lastly, if the document is so easy to break in divorce court, that's all the more reason to sign the piece of paper.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: Poulsonator
Lastly, if the document is so easy to break in divorce court, that's all the more reason to sign the piece of paper.

It's possible the people claiming it doesn't work just weren't doing it right. If you're just signing some bar napkin then obviously it's worth nothing. If it's reviewed by a lawyer, signed by both parties and a witness, and it's notarized, then it's probably a tight document. Just like any other contract, it's not completely unbreakable, but that doesn't make it powerless.

Another thing is that people seem to misunderstand what a prenup does, or what it usually does. The prenup is to protect things you have before you get married. It does not (effectively) protect things you acquired while you were married. If you own several patents before getting married, the prenup will protect those. If you and your wife buy a house after getting married and the mortgage was 90% paid by your salary, it's still only ~50% your house because she chipped in as well; the exact value split would be negotiated by your lawyers during the divorce.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
A prenup indicates a lack of trust. While divorce is excessively common and love is not guaranteed to last forever, I really don't think you should be getting married if these things are of major concern to you. Trust goes hand in hand with marriage.

ridiculous divorce settlements show a lack of trust in marriage by the system. without a prenup the unpoken deal is that she walks away with half your money at any time. so instead of staying together for love you may do it out of fear. nothing more corrosive.

divorce settlement law come from a time when women were not allowed to work, and divorce was truly unthinkable. you would be shunned by society. now the fundamental assumptions behind it are completely out of date. so now the punishing settlements are kept while divorce is so easy and almost stigma free. in fact most first marriages are considered "starter" marriages.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
If she doesn't say yes, she isn't worth it.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Zee
sorry, if you need a pre-nup, you shouldnt be married. there's a fucking reason that divorce is 50%

If you ask and she says no, then you've just prevented a divorce... because she is in it for the money.

If she really loves you, assets dont matter.

 

[Aquaman]

Marry someone richer then you like what George Costanza did

Cheers,
Aquaman

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Absolutely would get a prenup.

Getting one is simply smart business. And if the other truly loves you and expects the marriage to last, he/she will have no problem signing it.

The argument could just as easily be made that if you thought the other truly loved you, one wouldn't be needed.

---

I haven't seen any response to the previous post about how the people who support prenups would feel if they were asked to sign one...

I support pre-nups and would sign one if asked, no problem. Why wouldn't I? As most others here have said, it's smart business.

Because it indicates a lack of trust in the other (and your own judgement). It's heartless business. Seems that it would be better to not get married or to create a corporation with the two of you as officers.

It doesn't indicate a lack of trust in the least bit. Before the marriage, what's mine is mine, what's yours is yours. What's earned while married is ours. Seriously, why is that a big deal?

I don't get why people are saying it shows a lack of trust/judgment. Well, I guess I do as some folks here are pretty naive. No matter what you think you know, what you think you have covered, what you think you're prepared for, shit happens. Why wouldn't you want to be prepared 'just in case'? The insurance analogy is perfect.

because some of us dont view it that way... when I got married... what was mine became hers, and what was hers became mine. When married there is no longer a "hers" and "mine", everything is now "ours" including everything which was acquired prior to the marriage.

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Zee
sorry, if you need a pre-nup, you shouldnt be married. there's a fucking reason that divorce is 50%

If you ask and she says no, then you've just prevented a divorce... because she is in it for the money.

If she really loves you, assets dont matter.

likewise, if you love her, your assets dont matter.

 

[BriGy86]

I voted yes. I currently have a boat, house, and cabin in my name and I'm only 23. All 3 are jointly owned with other people. The prenup would be mainly to protect the other party's I own things with.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
I think those who swear by a pre-nup are deathly afraid of finding someone who is exactly like themselves.

I would love to find somebody who is exactly like myself regarding views on marriage and such. They would believe in making their own $, and would make their own way and not take somebody elses because it's easier or they "deserve" it.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Absolutely would get a prenup.

Getting one is simply smart business. And if the other truly loves you and expects the marriage to last, he/she will have no problem signing it.

The argument could just as easily be made that if you thought the other truly loved you, one wouldn't be needed.

---

I haven't seen any response to the previous post about how the people who support prenups would feel if they were asked to sign one...

I support pre-nups and would sign one if asked, no problem. Why wouldn't I? As most others here have said, it's smart business.

Marriage =/= business.

yet when you ask what legitimate reason to get married in the first place most ppl rattle off answers based on tax breaks and the like lol.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: Poulsonator
Lastly, if the document is so easy to break in divorce court, that's all the more reason to sign the piece of paper.

It's possible the people claiming it doesn't work just weren't doing it right. If you're just signing some bar napkin then obviously it's worth nothing. If it's reviewed by a lawyer, signed by both parties and a witness, and it's notarized, then it's probably a tight document. Just like any other contract, it's not completely unbreakable, but that doesn't make it powerless.

Another thing is that people seem to misunderstand what a prenup does, or what it usually does. The prenup is to protect things you have before you get married. It does not (effectively) protect things you acquired while you were married. If you own several patents before getting married, the prenup will protect those. If you and your wife buy a house after getting married and the mortgage was 90% paid by your salary, it's still only ~50% your house because she chipped in as well; the exact value split would be negotiated by your lawyers during the divorce.

Yes and also many times a pre-nup only kicks in if my wife leaves me. If I leave her all bets are off.

 

[Bu B3ar]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Prenup yes. If she balks, then you know she's a gold digger. Screw the argument "well if YOU really loved me, you wouldn't be worried about your money!"

Sorry, but in this day and age it's every man for himself.

 

[Bu B3ar]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Or you could just keep the money in offshore accounts and not tell her about it?

Well considering my looks, it WOULD be all about money.

Buy $500 Euro notes and hide them in the backyard? :laugh:

Too obvious. Buy diamonds and keep them stashed inside your colon.

If divorce comes she'll be too busy ripping you a new asshole to look in the old one.

i lol'd