You Are Witnessing The Beginning Of A Mass Shooting,..

[_Rick_]

Raging moron option: Shoot innocent people so the death toll goes up.

 

[zinfamous]

I've logged 500 hours in Call of Duty, so I'm totally trained and prepared to take out this maniac with zero secondary casualties thus saving the country and the world, and then get all of the women.

 

[Oyeve]

Even tho i'm a fairly good shot I would run like a mofo. If the shooter was training on me I would draw and take my chances.

 

[gorcorps]

I shoot quite a bit, but 70' is a very long ways off for most people and handguns. You'd have a hard time hitting torso every shot IMO so from that distance I don't see anything good happening.

But OP also doesn't know the difference between a clip and a magazine so I stopped paying attention partway through.

 

[Newell Steamer]

I shoot quite a bit, but 70' is a very long ways off for most people and handguns. You'd have a hard time hitting torso every shot IMO so from that distance I don't see anything good happening.

But OP also doesn't know the difference between a clip and a magazine so I stopped paying attention partway through.

I do not.

Thank you!

 

[disappoint]

I've logged 500 hours in Call of Duty, so I'm totally trained and prepared to take out this maniac with zero secondary casualties thus saving the country and the world, and then get all of the women.

 

[zinfamous]

dude, that's an old pic. I've dropped about 250 since then.

 

[glenn1]

You: have a handgun (concealed, in it's holster). No additional clips magazines, just the one in your gun. Safety is on. No body armor. Feel free to run through the gamut of best handguns (ones you have, used, know of),... because,..

Shooter: just one. Shooter has body armor - chest, legs some sort of helmet with visor. An automatic rifle + clips magazines (tactical vest). A few side strapped handguns with a duffel bag. There could be more guns, ammo or explosives in there, you aren't sure. But, you've observed the above.

The shooter is about 70 feet from you. You are in a public area with little to no cover. There are about 30 or so people sprinkled around you. And, no one is between you and the shooter - BUT, there are a few people behind yourself and the shooter.

What do you believe will happen? Base it on what you would do and expect would occur.

Edit: this is a shooting. Whatever you need to indicate this is a shooting is happening; shooting at you, shooting at people, screaming they will shoot, etc.

Assault through an ambush. You're in the open in the kill zone, better to die engaging the bad guy and get shot in the face than retreat when you have the means to resist and get shot in the back like a coward.

 

[mmntech]

What I know about my shooting abilities from my time at the archery range, I'd say "bang, bang, whoops".

Is a hand grenade an option? Be fun to be in a Mexican standoff with an equally mentally disturbed person.

 

[vi edit]

70 feet with a pistol on an armored target is just not going to end well. Nothing is going to end well in this situation. Landing a shot on an unarmored target at that distance in optimal conditions is tough for most people. Do it under panic and good luck.

I think my choice is going to be run for an exit if available, otherwise it's duck and cover with a body on the ground. And wait for him to get closer.

 

[PottedMeat]

cast bloodlust on myself, yank down britches, run at shooter with raging hardon

 

[Fire&Blood]

In April of 92, I saw an armored vehicle and 2 trucks pull up to my neighbor's house, a dozen of former Yugoslavian soldiers jumped out and dragged the whole family out of the house and executed a couple and their 3 kids. My dad and me had a 7.65mm pistol and a AK variant with long barrel and "legs", an equivalent of a machine gun. It happened so quickly we couldn't have done anything before they were all dead.

If the scenario OP describes is taking place in US, the right thing to do is to engage the attacker but only elite soldiers could actually come up with a plan on such short notice. Average Joe with a gun could only pick fight or flight, it's impossible to predict what would happen next. Lots of people assume they would keep composure but once you see it actually happening all bets are off, people adamant about knowing how they would respond actually don't have a clue.

 

[KMFJD]

 

[Ruptga]

gtfo, then try to circle back so I can shoot at one of his squishy parts at close range where I have a real chance of hitting them. Realistically though, I'm never going to carry because I live in the present day not the wild west, so it's a moot point.

 

[pontifex]

gtfo, then try to circle back so I can shoot at one of his squishy parts at close range where I have a real chance of hitting them. Realistically though, I'm never going to carry because I live in the present day not the wild west, so it's a moot point.

People who say this last line make me lol because they are so clueless.

 

[HumblePie]

At 70 yards with a handgun I'm not sticking around to be potential target of a lucky shot. Chances are the person isn't a good shot on anyone either and is only hitting people through sheer luck of a large concentration of people clustered in a small space.

Also the supposition of the shooter having an automatic firearm is just plain stupid. It is so rare for a shooter to use an automatic weapon in a mass shooting scenario that one might as well wait for the moon to explode.

But a shooter with a rifle, multiple gun, loaded down with ammo, and wearing body armor is still going to be a problem with the rest of the scenario described in the OP. Mainly because of distance and probably as well as many people in the area running around.

In any tactical class that teach this, if you do not have a clear shot you do not take the shot. Simple as that. So chances are most good concealed handgun carry holders are getting the crap out of there as well. I may run to the vantage of a building corner or something that lets me have some cover while I can view what the shooter is doing and may get a chance for a clear shot. If not I can provide intel if needed and make a phone call.

Now if the shooter gives me a clear shot that I know I can realistically make I will probably take it. Being shot at changes the reactions of these mass shooters drastically. They may think the cops have shown up and are either ready to already kill themselves or run themselves to escape. Either reaction saves lives.

 

[madoka]

70 feet with a pistol on an armored target is just not going to end well.

I don't know about you guys, but I pictured pulling out my AR-15 pistol with the Elcan SpecterDR scope and 40 round magazine loaded with AP ammo from my ankle holster in this fantasy scenario. I'll take those odds.

 

[vi edit]

At 70 yards with a handgun I'm not sticking around to be potential target of a lucky shot. Chances are the person isn't a good shot on anyone either and is only hitting people through sheer luck of a large concentration of people clustered in a small space.

OP said 70 feet, not yards. That's still a long distance with a pistol.

 

[Captante]

2 & 7

 

[K7SN]

I shoot quite a bit, but 70' is a very long ways off for most people and handguns. You'd have a hard time hitting torso every shot IMO so from that distance I don't see anything good happening.

I'm with you, at 70' the odds of me hitting any beloved patriot in the shooter's armor as OP suggested would be minimal and all it would serve would draw attention to myself and thus reduce my odds of survival. I think I could hit a torso at 70'

OP says I no chance of hiding, I might turn sideways to be a smaller target and wait for the shooter to turn his/hers attention the other direction move and go hide behind a dead body or anything to stop or slow down a bullet, playing dead might be an option.

If the shooter pointed in my direction I'd grab my heart and/or pretend to faint; anything to plummet to the ground and reduce his target thus increase my chance of survival.

 

[JDawg1536]

70 feet with a pistol against a moving target in that situation? Nobody is going to hit him. That's a <1% shot.

 

[Banana]

You see two other guys pointing handguns at each other. They both say THE OTHER GUY is the mass shooter. What do you do?
1) Shoot both of them, just in case
2) Shoot one of them, and tell the other guy to "FREEZE!"
3) Admit that you're the mass shooter, just to troll them

 

[Ruptga]

People who say this last line make me lol because they are so clueless.

People that are obliquely condescending yet completely transparent make me lol, so it's all good. You're far more likely to die of ass cancer than by the hand of a mass shooter, but don't let that get in the way of your erection. Go get em, cowboy.

 

[MajinCry]

Shoot the killer, you'd go to jail.

Never having used a gun, I'd probably end up dead by means of shooting myself in an artery.

How come there's no option for throwing the gun at the fella?

 

[madoka]

OP's scenario sounds similar to the Clackamas mall shooting in which a CCW holder may have helped stop the shooter.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-bl...lder-likely-prevented-larger-clackamas-mall-d