You Are Witnessing The Beginning Of A Mass Shooting,..

[sportage]

This is the delusional theory put out there by the NRA and REPUBLICANS.
That ANYONE would have the common sense and or calm nature to react logically.
Where in all reality, a world the NRA and REPUBLICAN party know little of, the shock, confusion, inability to grasp what is actually happening would not matter.
One could have as many guns on their person as the maniac shooter, and stand there frozen with the odds being they too would become a victim shot by the maniac with a gun.

The shooter spent a lot of time devising his plot to kill.
The innocent bystander has exactly zero warning and zero time to react to the unfolding events of death.
Only, ONLY one with highly professional military training AND very recent military involvement would (might) have the ability to react.
Everyone else with a gun? All the Matt Dillon's out there? NOT A CHANCE IN HELL.
YOU too, would be shot and killed by the maniac with a gun.

Do you feel lucky? Well... do you?

 

[madoka]

This is the delusional theory put out there by the NRA and REPUBLICANS.
That ANYONE would have the common sense and or calm nature to react logically.

While it's an old webpage, here are several examples of what you consider to be delusional:

http://volokh.com/2012/12/14/do-civ...capture-kill-or-otherwise-stop-mass-shooters/

 

[John Connor]

I would have a Glock or 1911 with hollow points. One shot, one kill.

 

[Destiny]

I 1 vs 10 once in Counter Strike with just a Deagle while everyone else had m4a1, AK-47, and AWP.... so this should be a piece of cake!

 

[JEDIYoda]

What I would do is wait and see where the shooter is going.....
Then I would turn with my ass towards the shooter......
Then I would drop my pants to my ankles.
Then I would bend over grabbing both my ankles and kiss my ass goodbye!!

 

[IEC]

70 feet with a pistol against a moving target in that situation? Nobody is going to hit him. That's a <1% shot.

If he's clad in armor head to toe he isn't moving. That premise is just laughable because a plate carrier alone severely impairs mobility. Add like 10x the weight in armor and the shooter won't be able to walk briskly, much less run around.

 

[John Connor]

Even if I knew an assailant was wearing a vest I'd still take the shot and many more knowing it will fuck his ribs, etc up. Then hopefully I can go in for the kill with a bullet to the head.

 

[Newell Steamer]

If he's clad in armor head to toe he isn't moving. That premise is just laughable because a plate carrier alone severely impairs mobility. Add like 10x the weight in armor and the shooter won't be able to walk briskly, much less run around.

 

[Newell Steamer]

In your fictional scenario (no mass shooter has ever been so equipped)

Apologies for painting mass murders in an untrue light. I'll update the OP accordingly.

 

[Newell Steamer]

At 70 yards with a handgun I'm not sticking around to be potential target of a lucky shot. Chances are the person isn't a good shot on anyone either and is only hitting people through sheer luck of a large concentration of people clustered in a small space.

Also the supposition of the shooter having an automatic firearm is just plain stupid. It is so rare for a shooter to use an automatic weapon in a mass shooting scenario that one might as well wait for the moon to explode.

But a shooter with a rifle, multiple gun, loaded down with ammo, and wearing body armor is still going to be a problem with the rest of the scenario described in the OP. Mainly because of distance and probably as well as many people in the area running around.

In any tactical class that teach this, if you do not have a clear shot you do not take the shot. Simple as that. So chances are most good concealed handgun carry holders are getting the crap out of there as well. I may run to the vantage of a building corner or something that lets me have some cover while I can view what the shooter is doing and may get a chance for a clear shot. If not I can provide intel if needed and make a phone call.

Now if the shooter gives me a clear shot that I know I can realistically make I will probably take it. Being shot at changes the reactions of these mass shooters drastically. They may think the cops have shown up and are either ready to already kill themselves or run themselves to escape. Either reaction saves lives.

This is quite helpful, thank you, and common sense frankly.

I would have reacted badly (empty out my gun and probably hit a few people in error).

If NYC ever allows CC, I would hope there is at least a mandatory training course that teaches the bolded point - as much as it sounds like common sense, I never thought of it, since I would get caught up in trying to stop this guy. Total thoughtlessness on my part.

Quick question, in states where CC is allowed, is there some sort of training course(s) required in order to obtain a permit? Or general training?

 

[SSSnail]

No option for bunny hopping to the guy and then shank him? What kind of ATOTer are you?

 

[John Connor]

Or go to prone in a heart beat and kill him?

 

[HumblePie]

This is quite helpful, thank you, and common sense frankly.

I would have reacted badly (empty out my gun and probably hit a few people in error).

If NYC ever allows CC, I would hope there is at least a mandatory training course that teaches the bolded point - as much as it sounds like common sense, I never thought of it, since I would get caught up in trying to stop this guy. Total thoughtlessness on my part.

Quick question, in states where CC is allowed, is there some sort of training course(s) required in order to obtain a permit? Or general training?

Texas has mandatory class to get a CHL. It's decent but and at least does tell student that a gun is a last resort to a problem and only if you are sure you can hit what you are shooting. They do make sure you can hit a target at certain distances as well. There are tons of classes everywhere though that go far more in depth in terms of tactical situations and improving your ability, and thus your odds, of surviving and being useful in deadly situations.

 

[pontifex]

This is quite helpful, thank you, and common sense frankly.

I would have reacted badly (empty out my gun and probably hit a few people in error).

If NYC ever allows CC, I would hope there is at least a mandatory training course that teaches the bolded point - as much as it sounds like common sense, I never thought of it, since I would get caught up in trying to stop this guy. Total thoughtlessness on my part.

Quick question, in states where CC is allowed, is there some sort of training course(s) required in order to obtain a permit? Or general training?

it varies by state

 

[John Connor]

No option for bunny hopping to the guy and then shank him? What kind of ATOTer are you?

This actually makes me laugh because it's happened to me a number of times in BF2142. I just stand there aiming at his head. LOL

 

[HumblePie]

it varies by state

I am a firm believer in gun safety courses for everyone. I believe it should be taught i every school across the country. Even if kids don't actually handle any guns in the classroom environment, people need to know more than what they do. Considering it is a frikking second amendment and part of our history. Every other part of our original laws has massive amounts of education dedicated to their history and instructions but the 2nd amendment. Of which the 2nd amendment is probably the most practical in comparison to learn about.

 

[Newell Steamer]

I am a firm believer in gun safety courses for everyone. I believe it should be taught i every school across the country. Even if kids don't actually handle any guns in the classroom environment, people need to know more than what they do. Considering it is a frikking second amendment and part of our history. Every other part of our original laws has massive amounts of education dedicated to their history and instructions but the 2nd amendment. Of which the 2nd amendment is probably the most practical in comparison to learn about.

This is an even better idea - :thumbsup: There is a huge amount of fear related to guns. Which is understandable, but when fears gets you, you are dead. We need to move past that. Because the fear and control is just not working.

At work, they brought in someone to talk to us about general safety (fires, earthquakes, etc.) and mass shootings were brought up. If it happens, we were told:
1) run
2) if you can't run, hide
3) if you can't hide, then do what you have to do to take the shooter out - gang up on the shooter, rush, whatever

The instructor was very honest and made it clear there is no 100% chance to avoid such an incident and even surviving. But, this is all they could "offer" and "advise". Bullshit.

Personally, I am all for carrying a handgun. And, I would be all for taking training courses and going to the shooting range once a week. I still acknowledge that this would not give me (or anyone) a 100% chance to survive (which is why I generally mock people who say; 'Well,.. if everyone was armed,...'). But, mass shooters would be less inclined to gun down co-workers and random people - knowing that they are armed with something.

On the flip side, with everyone being armed, gun accidents would probably spike considerably.

Bottomline, I don't see an easy solution to all of this - other than we need to try something different than tighter gun control.

 

[Printer Bandit]

I'd shoot him in the dick.

 

[K7SN]

I am a firm believer in gun safety courses for everyone. I believe it should be taught i every school across the country. Even if kids don't actually handle any guns in the classroom environment, people need to know more than what they do. Considering it is a frikking second amendment and part of our history. Every other part of our original laws has massive amounts of education dedicated to their history and instructions but the 2nd amendment. Of which the 2nd amendment is probably the most practical in comparison to learn about.

+1

I agree; Well stated HumblePie Many CCW "...people need to know more than what they do..." Nevada has a good program and required classes for CCW and excellent required hunter safety classes before you can get a hunting license.

The problem is just that; there is a big difference between an knowledgeable armed law abiding citizen

and

and many armed law abiding citizen with little understanding of the limitations, capabilities, risks and consequences of taking ill-advised action just because he/she has a gun.

The original OP scenario would scare the hell out me because the only time I carry a gun is when riding my motorcycle in the desert where they are Mojave Greens; a 357 with nothing in the chamber, a shot shell in the ready and four ordinary bullets behind the shot shell. I don't take it off till I'm home where I can safely unloaded the weapon and put it a secure location. A couple times I've road in to a little town called Searchlight and gone into the only casino/restaurant; eaten and left any nobody in the said anything one time; the other time as I was leaving somebody asked what I was hunting; I answer hopefully nothing but the Mojave greens are out and bout. He said they move fast; I replied not fast enough for a shot shell. There is a big difference between Searchlight. Nevada and NYC.

 

[lyssword]

If cs:go taught me anything, is that I suck with handguns. Give me p90 or ak tho and I'll spray the hell out of him (and some bystanders maybe).

 

[pontifex]

I am a firm believer in gun safety courses for everyone. I believe it should be taught i every school across the country. Even if kids don't actually handle any guns in the classroom environment, people need to know more than what they do. Considering it is a frikking second amendment and part of our history. Every other part of our original laws has massive amounts of education dedicated to their history and instructions but the 2nd amendment. Of which the 2nd amendment is probably the most practical in comparison to learn about.

agreed on the training.

what other parts of the constitution do we get educated on?

i know like 3 or 4 amendments. no clue on the others. this was never taught in my school, or if it was, it was just a mention, not something we focused on.

 

[IEC]

IBA or similar only covers vitals. Does not provide adequate protection to limbs, thighs, neck, etc.

Try wearing armor as you described in the OP and you are looking at easily 3x the weight. Even as the soldier is kitted out (no weapons, no ammo, no gear, no pack), it's definitely not fun to be running around with it in a hot climate.

 

[OverVolt]

Its like people with exceedingly complicated plans for the zombie apocalypse that will never happen.

 

[EvilMonk]

I'd grenade-rocket jump to 360-noscope headshot him with my railgun.

 

[OverVolt]

I'd grenade-rocket jump to 360-noscope headshot him with my railgun.

Did you not read the part about bystanders on the other side of the shooter. Only lazers would be any good in that situation.