You can't have my guns.

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Vic Vega

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I posted this some years ago in another thread. I feel like it needs repeating now more than ever since gun owners are once again under attack by morons.

I can tell you right now this post will be picked apart and reposted in sections in order to attack statements out of context, in fact I almost guarantee it. I know how anti-gun trolls like to stereotype gun owners so let me dispense with that bullshit right off the bat.

I'm an atheist. I believe in limited government, I believe in social freedom, I believe you can marry anyone you want, pray to any god you want, I believe in your right to say what you want and disagree with me, I believe in your right to do what you want with your property under the law. I believe in your right to live your life as you see fit to whatever end you choose under the law. I believe in my right to poke holes in you should you try to harm me, my family, steel or rob from me or take away my freedom in any way.

I am a gun owner. I will always be a gun owner. As was stated by another person in this thread, a gun is a symbol of my ability to be responsible for myself, my family and my property. A gun is also a tool to ensure and enforce those ideals against those who would try to take them from me. Guns are part of my national heritage as well as my family heritage. I do not apologize for this and am not ashamed by it. I will not be shamed into hiding my ideals by those who wish to control me or who are ignorant (most anti-gun trolls).

I understand other countries restrict the freedom of their peasants and do not allow for personal defense against tyranny and evil. I do not care that peasants from these countries disapprove of US gun ownership. The US is a leader, not a follower. That may offend some, but I won't sacrifice my values for your feelings. I am a citizen, not a peasant. I live in a country made up of citizens, not peasants.

I don't hunt or engage in sport shooting. Some people do and I think that's wonderful but it isn't for me. The guns I do own have a singular purpose and that is to stop bad men from doing bad things. I have trained with my guns to a level of proficiency which I believe will aid me in their use. I am not a gun nut, I am simply skilled in their use as you can become skilled in any pursuit.

I hope and wish with all my being I never point a gun at a living person. It is my sincere wish that none of my guns would ever need to be used to protect my life, my family, my property or my nation. Anyone who does wish for those thing has severe problems and probably shouldn't own guns.

I am not a "tough" guy, I would categorize myself as an average Joe. I wear a button up shirt and slacks to work at my office job. I'm friendly and enjoy the company of others, I enjoy spending time with my family and friends. I help others whenever I can. I know many, many gun owners and all of them are like me in these regards. It is the goal of anti-gunners to paint us as extremist, radicals or as uneducated rednecks. They would have have it known that we are anti-social, paranoid, scared and mistrusting of others and that we are simply waiting for our chance to shoot up anyone who crosses our path. These are lies. Some of these lies are in this thread.

At the end of the day, most gun owners are like me to a degree. We're all different in some regard but we're all the same in others. I'm proud to be a gun owner and I like knowing that there are others out there, other gun owners, like me.
 
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blankslate

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Do you have mental problems like past couple of mass murderers who killed people for no apparent reason? Did you obtain your weapons illegally?

If not we don't want your damn weapons. We want a way to prevent mentally imbalanced people from getting them.

Virginia Tech shooter. history of mental issues

Same with the person who shot and injured and killed people in Az. including a U.S. Senator

Same with the shooter who attacked a midnight screening.

Apparently initial information seems to point to mental issues with the Connecticut shooter.

Unless you are mentally unbalanced you'll see that there is a problem...
 
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PowerEngineer

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Yes, I can see why you think this is the perfect time to rally ATOT gun owners.

Very thoughtful of you.
 

TwiceOver

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Meh, whatever floats your boat man. I guess I've never had to make a big stink about NOT being a gun owner, so I don't know what it feels like.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I think that arming citizens would prevent many crimes, therefore we need to make a law that people must carry them. Since it's for the public good we can have a punishment tax for those who don't. Perfectly legal and Constitutional. Ask the SCOTUS.

Good idea.
 

blankslate

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OP, well quoted.

Bullshit. Because this latest shooting doesn't make me believe that gun laws should be changed for most people.

This latest shooting along with others raise the question of how to keep people with mental issues away from firearms while not infringing on the rights of others.
 

Brigandier

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Fuck you Santa Claus, abide by the list or I'll never be good again.

Give me your guns.
 

JulesMaximus

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If morons with guns would stop committing horrific acts with their guns maybe people wouldn't mind letting you have them.

Better yet, maybe you should try selling your bullshit diatribe to one of the parents of a child who was murdered today.

20 fucking kids were killed... in seconds. Honestly, if you had half a fucking brain you'd shut the fuck up about gun rights now.

In short, fuck off.
 
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sandorski

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I'll take shortylickens advice and not feed the troll....

How about do some Research on the subject? These incidents are happening 2+ times a month and every time anyone dares say anything about reasonable Gun Control they are told to shut up about it or simply ignored.

Perhaps it's time to pull some heads out of Asses?
 

MaxPayne63

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I used to think that professional politicians were the scum of the earth, but even they usually let events like this sink in for a day or so before exploiting them for their own agenda.

Keep it classy, guys. :thumbsup:
 

TerryMathews

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How about do some Research on the subject? These incidents are happening 2+ times a month and every time anyone dares say anything about reasonable Gun Control they are told to shut up about it or simply ignored.

Perhaps it's time to pull some heads out of Asses?

So get some popular support together and amend the 2nd. This is a great wedge issue, probably the most popular support you will have to get it done.
 

sandorski

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So get some popular support together and amend the 2nd. This is a great wedge issue, probably the most popular support you will have to get it done.

It's your country(I assume), I am just sick of hearing about this shit and the lamenting and carrying on about it, with no one to actually take the issue and do something constructive with it. 2-3 weeks from now we'll be back here again, same shit, same lamenting, same Pro/Anti Gun arguments. This will continue ad nauseum until something is done.
 

Angry Irishman

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If morons with guns would stop committing horrific acts with their guns maybe people wouldn't mind letting you have them.

Better yet, maybe you should try selling your bullshit diatribe to one of the parents of a child who was murdered today.

20 fucking kids were killed... in seconds. Honestly, if you had half a fucking brain you'd shut the fuck up about gun rights now.

In short, fuck off.

Yes its a tragedy and I'm just as sorry to hear that it happened as anyone.

That said maybe you should read the OPs subject line and maybe you should not be selling what I perceive as bullshit diatribe as stated in the first line in your post.

As you can see I broke off my conversation and headed to P&N. BTW I don't even own a gun but you go ahead and over simplify everything if that's what works for you. What is simply provided to Americans is the right to bear arms as given by the second amendment; that and your moronic mind....that's pretty simple as well.

In summary, you can fuck off in an epic way.
 
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