You can't have my guns.

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jpeyton

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His mom might not be to blame directly but having that kind of arsenal around a troubled, completely disconnected young man was not her smartest move, it cost her too, story on Msnbc today that a local gunshop refused to sell him a rifle, they didn't go into details as to why, I'm sure we will know soon enough..
Exactly, not enough details yet. For all we know, he could have killed her to get access to the firearms.
 

TallBill

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His mom might not be to blame directly but having that kind of arsenal around a troubled, completely disconnected young man was not her smartest move, it cost her too, story on Msnbc today that a local gunshop refused to sell him a rifle, they didn't go into details as to why, I'm sure we will know soon enough..

That kind of arsenal? Ummmm hah.
 

Pr0d1gy

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There you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

The mentally ill and the deluded have spoken.

Well, I don't know how him stating he is a citizen, not a peasant, and the US is a leader makes him mentally ill or deluded; but I can tell you and the rest of the people on this psychotic anti-gun rant that it isn't just backwoods white rednecks that will not give up their guns. It is a majority of the country, so if anyone gets any crazy ideas about taking everyones' guns away they are going to have a major problem on their hands.
 

mikeymikec

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Well, I don't know how him stating he is a citizen, not a peasant, and the US is a leader makes him mentally ill or deluded; but I can tell you and the rest of the people on this psychotic anti-gun rant that it isn't just backwoods white rednecks that will not give up their guns. It is a majority of the country, so if anyone gets any crazy ideas about taking everyones' guns away they are going to have a major problem on their hands.

If you really need assistance in noting the abnormal behaviour of the OP, try reading either of these responses:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34376071&postcount=88

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34376308&postcount=112

If people like Vic Vega lived near me and owned firearms, I'd be worried. His firearm(s) isn't a tool for self-defence, it's a symbol of his manhood.

Furthermore, I think that anyone who refers to large amounts of people as peasants has a few problems upstairs.
 
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Veliko

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Well, I don't know how him stating he is a citizen, not a peasant, and the US is a leader makes him mentally ill or deluded; but I can tell you and the rest of the people on this psychotic anti-gun rant that it isn't just backwoods white rednecks that will not give up their guns. It is a majority of the country, so if anyone gets any crazy ideas about taking everyones' guns away they are going to have a major problem on their hands.

Sorry, is this supposed to arguing for, or against, the notion that the OP is mentally ill and deluded?
 

JulesMaximus

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Well, I don't know how him stating he is a citizen, not a peasant, and the US is a leader makes him mentally ill or deluded; but I can tell you and the rest of the people on this psychotic anti-gun rant that it isn't just backwoods white rednecks that will not give up their guns. It is a majority of the country, so if anyone gets any crazy ideas about taking everyones' guns away they are going to have a major problem on their hands.

Not with this gun owner. Unlike some of you, guns don't define who I am. I've been a gun owner for over 20 years and in that time I've used a gun to defend myself exactly zero times. They are fun to shoot up paper targets with but nothing more. The state won't let me carry concealed so they pretty much just sit under lock and key until I break them out and go to the range which lately is about once or twice a year.

I like them but they don't define me. I would not like to give them up but i can certainly understand why some would want to make them illegal.
 

pontifex

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gun is dangerous.


the debate some people say without gun how can u protect yourself? well thats an easy question. let me tell..... if gun dont exist.... burgler come at you with just their fist since guns dont exist..... you fight back with fist.... see?

no gun no dead.

existence of guns is dangerous weather you own it or wheather someone else own it.


pretend world with guns..... millions of people fight each other..... then they will use gun as guns is accessible. people dead.

now pretend a world withoiut guns..... millions of people fight each other..... they dont see gun since gun dont exist. they use sticks to whack each other instead and no one dead. well most dangerous they use is knives but they can easily evade. sticks and knives take more skill. guns is for people that dont know how to fight.

knife is dangerous, wooden stick is dangerous, car is dangerous.

not everyone has the ability to defend themselves physically. What about a 100 lb woman vs a 200 lb man? what about a 80 year old man vs a 20 year old man? what about a disabled man vs a non-disabled man? What about the weak man vs a strong man?

just because you might be able to defend yourself against an attacker doesn't mean everyone can.
 

BoomerD

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there are awfully stupid people with everything....computers, cars, phones, alcohol, drugs, etc

but we don't see anyone crying for the banning of cars, alcohol, computers, etc.

This place (and ATPN) are proof about stupid people with computers... but the last time I checked, none of them had committed mass murder by their foul postings...:biggrin:




HOWEVER, your point is still valid...there are stupid people EVERYWHERE!
 

JulesMaximus

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I don't remember every male in California being issued a rifle by the government.

If guns are so evil and need to be controlled why haven't you turned all of yours in yet?

Honestly, I don't want guns banned. When some lunatic with a bunch of guns kills 20 children you pretty much have to expect this sort of response though. I'm not siding with gun owners on this. What happened is not acceptable and neither is just shrugging it off like we normally do.

How the hell this guy or any of the other maniacs in the news recently had access to guns is beyond me.
 
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pontifex

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This place (and ATPN) are proof about stupid people with computers... but the last time I checked, none of them had committed mass murder by their foul postings...:biggrin:




HOWEVER, your point is still valid...there are stupid people EVERYWHERE!

why does it have to be specifically mass murder? I'm sure over the years there have been more deaths by vehicles than by mass murders?
I'm sure more people's lives have been ruined by alcohol than guns.

Just because it happens to just a few people a lot vs a lot of people very few times doesn't make any sense.
 

tokie

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wow...you are seriously fucked up in the head.
we do have to protect ourselves from the big bad wolf outside.The big bad wold just killed 20 kids. who else is going to do it? the police? lol. It would take them 15 minutes at least to get to my house if i needed them. Alot can happen in 15 minutes.

How do you propose a 100 lb woman defends herself against a 200 lb man intent on raping or killing her? call the police?
Where were the police when that sick disgusting piece of shit killed 20 innocent children?

I carry a gun because a police officer is too heavy to carry.
When seconds count the police are minutes away.

So in 2012 we are so advanced but yet we still have criminals and mental cases that are intent on harming us? there aren't any home invasions? no one gets raped or murdered? Why hasn't science and technology solved that?

The police aren't there to protect you. They're there to investigate your battered and blood soaked body after the criminal has left.

What fucking fantasy world do you live in?

This is a sick and disgusting way to think of the modern world. There is no hope for you if you seriously think that you need to protect yourself from the big bad wolf.

Have you ever lived in a modern non-American city? Do you even understand what it is like to not have to worry about your personal safety? You stink of fear and that breeds more fear until everyone around you is afraid and carrying a gun.

I hope for the health and safety of Americans that you live in secluded hillbilly country where no criminal has access to your weapons.

God help the child who takes an apple from your apple tree, because you will blow their face off for trespassing.
 

BoomerD

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why does it have to be specifically mass murder? I'm sure over the years there have been more deaths by vehicles than by mass murders?
I'm sure more people's lives have been ruined by alcohol than guns.

Just because it happens to just a few people a lot vs a lot of people very few times doesn't make any sense.

Once again, I don't disagree with you. I am not calling for the banning of firearms, merely pointing out that our current laws aren't very well enforced...just like our DUI laws, people continue to have the ability to do whatever the fuck they want...drink & drive, shoot up a school, drive a car through a crowd, post stupid rantings on internet forums...wait...maybe there isn't a law against the last one...but there SHOULD BE!
 

Veliko

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there are awfully stupid people with everything....computers, cars, phones, alcohol, drugs, etc

but we don't see anyone crying for the banning of cars, alcohol, computers, etc.

Anyone comparing guns to things like cars, beer and computers is awfully stupid.
 

BUTCH1

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there are awfully stupid people with everything....computers, cars, phones, alcohol, drugs, etc

but we don't see anyone crying for the banning of cars, alcohol, computers, etc.

You can't ban everything potentially dangerous, guns give anyone an empowerment to kill in large numbers very quickly and unfortunately this has been happening a lot lately..
 

sixone

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This is a sick and disgusting way to think of the modern world. There is no hope for you if you seriously think that you need to protect yourself from the big bad wolf.

Have you ever lived in a modern non-American city? Do you even understand what it is like to not have to worry about your personal safety? You stink of fear and that breeds more fear until everyone around you is afraid and carrying a gun.

I hope for the health and safety of Americans that you live in secluded hillbilly country where no criminal has access to your weapons.

God help the child who takes an apple from your apple tree, because you will blow their face off for trespassing.

Welcome to reality. Police do not offer protection, even if you're being repeatedly threatened. You can jump through hoops to get a restraining order, but it can't be enforced until the other person approaches you. You could pay for private security, but most of us can't afford that.

Your lack of worry about your personal safety is nothing more than an illusion. If someone wants to harm you, they don't need a gun. All they need is a shoelace, a knife from the kitchen, or a pillow from your bed.
 

pontifex

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This is a sick and disgusting way to think of the modern world. There is no hope for you if you seriously think that you need to protect yourself from the big bad wolf.

Have you ever lived in a modern non-American city? Do you even understand what it is like to not have to worry about your personal safety? You stink of fear and that breeds more fear until everyone around you is afraid and carrying a gun.

I hope for the health and safety of Americans that you live in secluded hillbilly country where no criminal has access to your weapons.

God help the child who takes an apple from your apple tree, because you will blow their face off for trespassing.

how did you get that from what i posted?

I don't live in fear, but i realize that there are bad people out there and I know that the police can't help me. I have to take some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY to protect myself.

I have guns but I rarely carry them with me.

Why do you think I would harm a child at all? You seem to have some really sick and deluded fantasies. It sounds like you should seek some mental health before you turn into the next Adam Lanza
 

pontifex

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You can't ban everything potentially dangerous, guns give anyone an empowerment to kill in large numbers very quickly and unfortunately this has been happening a lot lately..

HEY look at that! how about taking some personal responsibility into your lives.

and has it been happening a lot lately?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Americas

only 117 in the last 149 years according to that article and that includes Canada, Mexico, and South America.
 

ghost recon88

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This is a sick and disgusting way to think of the modern world. There is no hope for you if you seriously think that you need to protect yourself from the big bad wolf.

Have you ever lived in a modern non-American city? Do you even understand what it is like to not have to worry about your personal safety? You stink of fear and that breeds more fear until everyone around you is afraid and carrying a gun.

I hope for the health and safety of Americans that you live in secluded hillbilly country where no criminal has access to your weapons.

God help the child who takes an apple from your apple tree, because you will blow their face off for trespassing.

If you feel so protected and safe in America, I dare you to walk through Detroit or Flint at about 2AM :awe:
 

JulesMaximus

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Welcome to reality. Police do not offer protection, even if you're being repeatedly threatened. You can jump through hoops to get a restraining order, but it can't be enforced until the other person approaches you. You could pay for private security, but most of us can't afford that.

Your lack of worry about your personal safety is nothing more than an illusion. If someone wants to harm you, they don't need a gun. All they need is a shoelace, a knife from the kitchen, or a pillow from your bed.

I don't want to live in your reality. And fortunately, the 45 years I've been on this planet, haven't been in your reality.

I agree with tokie. You are paranoid and live in fear. Many gun owners do.
 

Geosurface

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What happened is not acceptable and neither is just shrugging it off like we normally do.

Not acceptable? In what sense? It already happened, and unless you have a line on some time travel technology... accepting it is exactly what you and everyone else will be doing.

Not to be a smart ass, but seriously. You will accept it. Society will accept it.

What we won't do is be happy about it or approve of it. Nor should we.

Shrugging it off is probably exactly the right response. Mourn for them, be sad, be disgusted, and move on with your life.
 

BoomerD

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You can't ban everything potentially dangerous, guns give anyone an empowerment to kill in large numbers very quickly and unfortunately this has been happening a lot lately..


http://news.yahoo.com/no-rise-mass-...rise-mass-killings-impact-huge-185700637.html

And yet those who study mass shootings say they are not becoming more common.

"There is no pattern, there is no increase," says criminologist James Allen Fox of Boston's Northeastern University, who has been studying the subject since the 1980s, spurred by a rash of mass shootings in post offices.

The random mass shootings that get the most media attention are the rarest, Fox says. Most people who die of bullet wounds knew the identity of their killer.

Society moves on, he says, because of our ability to distance ourselves from the horror of the day, and because people believe that these tragedies are "one of the unfortunate prices we pay for our freedoms."

Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections who has written a history of mass murders in America, said that while mass shootings rose between the 1960s and the 1990s, they actually dropped in the 2000s. And mass killings actually reached their peak in 1929, according to his data. He estimates that there were 32 in the 1980s, 42 in the 1990s and 26 in the first decade of the century.

Chances of being killed in a mass shooting, he says, are probably no greater than being struck by lightning.

Still, he understands the public perception — and extensive media coverage — when mass shootings occur in places like malls and schools. "There is this feeling that could have been me. It makes it so much more frightening."
 

Iron Woode

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There you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

The mentally ill and the deluded have spoken.
yes, the mentally ill has spoken.

too bad it's you that is mentally ill.
Well, I don't know how him stating he is a citizen, not a peasant, and the US is a leader makes him mentally ill or deluded; but I can tell you and the rest of the people on this psychotic anti-gun rant that it isn't just backwoods white rednecks that will not give up their guns. It is a majority of the country, so if anyone gets any crazy ideas about taking everyones' guns away they are going to have a major problem on their hands.
this is a correct assessment of what the OP was saying.

Sorry, is this supposed to arguing for, or against, the notion that the OP is mentally ill and deluded?
against.

again, you don't understand the OP's post.

I will try to help you understand.

Peasants represent the subjugated people of a repressive government. They have no rights and no means to stop the government from subjugating them.

US citizens have the right to protect themselves from criminals and a repressive government. They will not allow wishy-washy leftist socialists to strip them of their rights because you lefties wish to submit to any emotionally driven, knee-jerk reaction by a political party. Lefties worry a lot of people because they would rather lick the boots of a dictator than fight back against them.

So the only ones who are mentally ill are people who would rather submit to socialist lies than fight to keep their rights from an onslaught of politically correct BS.
 
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