You can't have my guns.

[Geosurface]

That infringes on the security of the person for others. By giving people the right to own guns you are reducing the personal security of others.

I don't like giving out rights that remove other peoples rights.

Peoples' right to drive a car infringes on my right to walk down the highway on foot safely.

Construction workers not being taken to the Hague for hate crimes every time they whistle at a hot woman infringes upon womens' right to walk around without being "harassed"

Guess what? Tough shit.

Nobody promised you that the world would be Nerf-coated. Be glad you got the chance to live at all, be grateful for whatever time you get no matter how long it is. Be grateful you live in a first world country and not in some African shit hole where you live a short, diseased life and then get gunned down by some warlord or some shit.

Stop whining, stop expecting government to coat the world around you in soft gel and tuck you in at night.

 

[Farmer]

Just one question. Which is more likely to be shot? Man that has a gun in his home or the man that doesn't?

You will probably cite a statistic saying "Of the X gun-related deaths in year Y, Z percent occurred in the home of a person who owned a gun, where Z exceeds 50%."

You cannot conclude from this statistic that "a man with a gun in his home is more likely to be shot than a man without a gun." Of these incidents considered, how many of the homes were located in low-income, high-crime areas (i.e., ghettos)? Of these incidents, how many homes housed children, who are more likely to cause accidental discharges?

It DOES NOT MEAN that, buy learning how to use a firearm responsibly and keeping a gun in the house, you are suddenly more likely to get shot.

 

[tokie]

??? so basically anyone providing facts but yourself or another anti is wrong?

Where am I denying facts?

Yes, the United States has a lower murder rate than Cuba, Mongolia, Russia, and Angola.

I guess that means things are good enough and there is no need to improve.

Let's phone it in from now on guys, we've got Cuba beat!

 

[OverVolt]

That is classic "Statistics don't lie, but liars use statistics."

That is classic "Statistics don't lie, but liars use statistics."

That is classic "Statistics don't lie, but liars use statistics."

That is classic "Statistics don't lie, but liars use statistics."

That is classic "Statistics don't lie, but liars use statistics."

That is classic "Statistics don't lie, but liars use statistics."

Gun control guys cherry pick data for shock effect all the time, nothing new is happening here believe it or not.

 

[BladeVenom]

Yea the list of cherry picked countries in your list was very comprehensive as well. The anti-gun nuts never want a reasonable big boy talk about statistics and just go for shock effect. Your picture is 100% stereotypical. And you were like "AHA this will get them!"

Hilarious. You have no idea how stereotypical it is of the gun control guys to use statistics like that.

His list was also 30 years old. Mine is the most recent year listed by the UN.

 

[dmcowen674]

You can't have my guns

I posted this some years ago in another thread.

I feel like it needs repeating now more than ever since gun owners are once again under attack by morons.

You registered your name and gun, they will get your guns.

 

[pontifex]

Where am I denying facts?

Yes, the United States has a lower murder rate than Cuba, Mongolia, Russia, and Angola.

I guess that means things are good enough and there is no need to improve.

Let's phone it in from now on guys, we've got Cuba beat!

there's no swaying you. you know whats good for everyone. so tell me whats next after guns?

 

[xj0hnx]

From the 1980s:

Per-capita the United States is the only developed country with this disgusting level of murder.

These figures are just as bad today. This shows it is a continuous problem and not something that has happened recently.

There is a sick mindset among some Americans and this is the evidence of it.

If you were honest you'd compare how many guns per capita are in the countries versus the murders per capita, but then again progressives aren't honest.

 

[tokie]

His list was also 30 years old. Mine is the most recent year listed by the UN.

Seriously are you proud of your ranking in that list? So you beat Cuba and there is no problem?

Concerned citizen: I am worried about the murder rate. I think too many innocent people are being killed.
Response: Chill out, we have a lower murder rate than Cuba.

Concerned citizen: I am worried about our health care system. I want to live a long life while being able to afford health care.
Response: We don't need to change anything, we've got a longer life expectancy than Cuba!

Concerned citizen: I am worried about taxes being too high. They are draining my ability to provide for my family.
Response: Taxes? You have lower taxes than Cuba. We don't need to lower taxes.

 

[OverVolt]

^

Just stop it proves nothing, lol.

 

[pontifex]

Seriously are you proud of your ranking in that list? So you beat Cuba and there is no problem?

Concerned citizen: I am worried about the murder rate. I think too many innocent people are being killed.
Response: Chill out, we have a lower murder rate than Cuba.

Concerned citizen: I am worried about our health care system. I want to live a long life while being able to afford health care.
Response: We don't need to change anything, we've got a longer life expectancy than Cuba!

Concerned citizen: I am worried about taxes being too high. They are draining my ability to provide for my family.
Response: Taxes? You have lower taxes than Cuba. We don't need to lower taxes.

I don't think anyone said NOTHING needs to be done.

why do anti's put stuff in people's mouths? probably because they don't want to be the only ones

 

[BUTCH1]

If he would have used explosives, he could have done it in one second.

If he would have killed a 100 people over the course of several years with an axe, would that make you feel better? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Dzhumagaliev

Well you can quell up extremely rare and weird cases all day long from all around the world but I don't see anyone else having the problems where having. Yep, explosives could do but you have to be smart enough to make it, have a place to hide it, ect. The point is simple, certain weapons with huge clip capacity turn ANYONE into an instant killing machine and the rest of us are sick and fucking tired of hearing these used as so once a friggin month, how can anyone be in denial about this when 20 KIDS LAY DEAD, 20, SOME SHOT IN THE FACE, POINT-BLANK................

 

[OverVolt]

The overall homicide rate doesn't have alot to do with guns. Mostly gang violence.

 

[OverVolt]

Well you can quell up extremely rare and weird cases all day long from all around the world but I don't see anyone else having the problems where having. Yep, explosives could do but you have to be smart enough to make it, have a place to hide it, ect. The point is simple, certain weapons with huge clip capacity turn ANYONE into an instant killing machine and the rest of us are sick and fucking tired of hearing these used as so once a friggin month, how can anyone be in denial about this when 20 KIDS LAY DEAD, 20, SOME SHOT IN THE FACE, POINT-BLANK................

They have the exact same problems that we do.

We have more of them because of all the media coverage it gets, honestly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

So whats the point, some kind of sick body count? ugh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre

 

[Geosurface]

I don't think anyone said NOTHING needs to be done.

I did.

 

[tokie]

The overall homicide rate doesn't have alot to do with guns. Mostly gang violence.

Gangs which use guns. They aren't going around beating 10,000 people to death a year with their bare hands.

This is a bigger problem than mentally ill people with guns. It is a problem with ANYONE having a gun. Because a gun turns ANYONE into a weapon of mass destruction.

There is zero reason for anyone to own something whose sole purpose is to bring about the death of others. ZERO.

 

[Farmer]

Well you can quell up extremely rare and weird cases all day long from all around the world but I don't see anyone else having the problems where having. Yep, explosives could do but you have to be smart enough to make it, have a place to hide it, ect. The point is simple, certain weapons with huge clip capacity turn ANYONE into an instant killing machine and the rest of us are sick and fucking tired of hearing these used as so once a friggin month, how can anyone be in denial about this when 20 KIDS LAY DEAD, 20, SOME SHOT IN THE FACE, POINT-BLANK................

Sometimes I don't know what you people think. So 1 deranged lunatic out goes and kills almost 30 people in a country of 300 million. Tragic.

From this, we infer that all people with guns have this intent? And hence we have to start the ban hammer? What exactly is the logic?

For those who want to get rid of "atrocities:" I've said it before and I'll say it again: if your objective is to minimize the total number of lives lost to gun-related crime, these "atrocities" however tragic are statistically negligible.

Please stop judging the importance of issues by how much media coverage they get or how much they tug at your hearstrings.

There is something to be said about legislation that caters to the lowest common denominator in society: it is bullshit.

 

[BUTCH1]

They have the exact same problems that we do.

We have more of them because of all the media coverage it gets, honestly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

So whats the point, some kind of sick body count? ugh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre

8 killed, by knife attack, 11 years ago, this is happening like 4-5 times a year around here..

 

[J-Money]

They have the exact same problems that we do.

We have more of them because of all the media coverage it gets, honestly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

So whats the point, some kind of sick body count? ugh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre

Those links kind of help the anti-gun crowd actually.

Look at amount of deaths vs injured. Now look at ct shooting deaths vs injured. Hell one happened 11 years ago.

 

[OverVolt]

Gangs which use guns. They aren't going around beating 10,000 people to death a year with their bare hands.

This is a bigger problem than mentally ill people with guns. It is a problem with ANYONE having a gun. Because a gun turns ANYONE into a weapon of mass destruction.

There is zero reason for anyone to own something whose sole purpose is to bring about the death of others. ZERO.

-The correlation between tyranny and gun control
-The fact that guns EXIST. They cannot be legislated out of existence. They are essentially 1800s technology. There are millions of them in the country. The only way as a sane, reasonable, law abiding citizen to protect yourself from crazies, drug dealers, drug addicts, etc. is to own one as well.

"When you need help in seconds the police are just minutes away"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...shooting-wounded-gunman-killed_n_2307505.html

The difference between that alabama copycat event and the one that happened yesterday is how fast someone with a gun could get there to end the event. Hospitals typically have cops nearby whereas the school was a "gun free zone"

Do you get it now?

If the world was completely gun naive then I wouldn't care, but in a world where guns exist you have to adapt.

 

[OverVolt]

8 killed, by knife attack, 11 years ago, this is happening like 4-5 times a year around here..

Its the media sensationalizing it. This one followed not too long after the Theatre one.

 

[BUTCH1]

Sometimes I don't know what you people think. So 1 deranged lunatic out goes and kills almost 30 people in a country of 300 million. Tragic.

From this, we infer that all people with guns have this intent? And hence we have to start the ban hammer? What exactly is the logic?

For those who want to get rid of "atrocities:" I've said it before and I'll say it again: if your objective is to minimize the total number of lives lost to gun-related crime, these "atrocities" however tragic are statistically negligible.

Please stop judging the importance of issues by how much media coverage they get or how much they tug at your hearstrings.

There is something to be said about legislation that caters to the lowest common denominator in society: it is bullshit.

It's not the "lowest common denominator", it's what people with half a brain have been screaming for, geez, 20 kids 5-10 years old executed by gunshot to the face, I'm sorry there's a lot of media coverage, I'll try and tell my heartstrings kids being executed like this is just a statistic like any other..

 

[BladeVenom]

Gangs which use guns. They aren't going around beating 10,000 people to death a year with their bare hands.

Cities with gang problems also have tough gun control laws.

 

[OverVolt]

Those links kind of help the anti-gun crowd actually.

Look at amount of deaths vs injured. Now look at ct shooting deaths vs injured. Hell one happened 11 years ago.

Mass murders are typically rare. I'd rather be able to protect myself for the other 99.5% of crimes.

Odds are if I were to be killed by a violent crime, it would be a home invasion or mugging gone wrong, or came across the wrong drug dealer in the middle of a deal, or at your work if it gets robbed etc. Not a mass murder. What happened sucks, but laws effect everyone. Trying to make laws based off 1 event is going to cause problems for everyone else.

 

[Farmer]

It's not the "lowest common denominator", it's what people with half a brain have been screaming for, geez, 20 kids 5-10 years old executed by gunshot to the face, I'm sorry there's a lot of media coverage, I'll try and tell my heartstrings kids being executed like this is just a statistic like any other..

Then vote by your heartstrings. Emotion-fueled gun laws have come and they have gone. They have done nothing.