You get one billion dollars, but 10,000 people's lives are destroyed. Take the deal?

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GagHalfrunt

Lifer
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You mean you never considered those 10,000 people might have friends and family that care about them and might seek vengeance upon you?

You mean you never considered that a billion dollars buys a hell of a good new identity with $999 million and change left over?
 

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Lifer
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You mean you never considered that a billion dollars buys a hell of a good new identity with $999 million and change left over?

I considered it for a few seconds and dismissed it. A new identity does not mean you will get away with it. I'll agree it's possible to get away with it but not likely. You're taking a big risk with your life by doing something like that.

You're also taking a big risk admitting on a message board that you would do something like that. Essentially what you're saying is you'd pull a Bernie Madoff like Ponzi scheme if you thought you could get away with it. If a potential employer sees what you posted and puts your real identity to your post here of yes they could dismiss you as easily as I dismissed your plan for getting away with it.

The govt. could see your post and do a tax audit or investigation into any criminal activity on your part. So while your online persona may be shady, your real persona had better not match it and taken any action on it's shady thoughts or you'd be in real trouble, in real life.

How you like your vote of yes now?

I quoted the OP for posterity below:

You get a chance to commit white collar crime to the tune of a billion dollars. You walk scotfree and with an unbleminished reputation from your crime. But the lives of ten thousand people (shareholders or small time creditors or employees etc. take your pick) are destroyed by your crime.

Most of them will either take to crime, become homeless or even commit suicide, but you walk free with a tax free billion in an offshore account. Remember its all or nothing.

Will you take it or will your conscience not allow you to do it?
 

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Lifer
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I was thinking The Senate, the House of Representatives, the entire Executive and Supreme Court branches, then save a few slots for the worst terrorists, Somali pirates, televangelists, Wall Street thieves and maybe a used car salesman or two.

I didn't see this till now. I'm assuming you're from the U.S. because that describes the branches of the U.S. govt. You took a jab at your own govt.? The one with a spying addiction? The one that likes to spy on even it's own people? Even in jest that'd be ill advised. You might as well wave hi to the NSA, FBI, Secret Service et al. right now. See any drones lately? Stay safe, good luck to you. As a fellow atheist I really mean that. But wow.
 

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Lifer
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What's wrong with you, disappoint? Teenager?

If you have no problem being the next Bernie Madoff, maybe the problem lies with you. Can you be more specific what you think is wrong with me?

You know what? Maybe you're right after all. Maybe being the next Bernie Madoff might not be so bad after all

Check this out:

Madoff was a prominent philanthropist,[16][132] who served on boards of nonprofit institutions, many of which entrusted his firm with their endowments.[16][132] The collapse and freeze of his personal assets and those of his firm affected businesses, charities, and foundations around the world, including the Chais Family Foundation,[154] the Robert I. Lappin Charitable Foundation, the Picower Foundation, and the JEHT Foundation which were forced to close.[16][155] Madoff donated approximately $6 million to lymphoma research after his son Andrew was diagnosed with the disease.[156] He and his wife gave over $230,000 to political causes since 1991, with the bulk going to the Democratic Party.[157]
Madoff served as the Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Sy Syms School of Business at Yeshiva University, and as Treasurer of its Board of Trustees.[132] He resigned his position at Yeshiva University after his arrest.[155] Madoff also served on the Board of New York City Center, a member of New York City's Cultural Institutions Group (CIG).[158] He served on the executive council of the Wall Street division of the UJA Foundation of New York which declined to invest funds with him because of the conflict of interest.[159]
Madoff undertook charity work for the Gift of Life Bone Marrow Foundation and made philanthropic gifts through the Madoff Family Foundation, a $19 million private foundation, which he managed along with his wife.[16] They donated money to hospitals and theaters.[132] The foundation has also contributed to many educational, cultural, and health charities...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff#Personal_life
The guy was a philanthropist! And not a philanderer at all! Great candidate for the Republican Party I'm sure. We know how they don't like their philanderers, but love their philanthropists. Hell if I'm going to go down in flames, I'm going to go all out.

He's such a great guy I'm going to start a petition. One part of the petition will be to take down that eyesore The Statue of Liberty and replace it with a statue of Bernie Madoff.

The other part is to nominate him for sainthood. Now I'm an atheist so I won't be signing this petition myself but I want to be a philanthropist too. I want to help others. Give them the idea to do what they want. Fulfill their hearts desires and make them a reality.

Will you sign this petition to get it started? It would mean a lot to the folks like you that look up to him. Humanity is counting on you. You'll sign it right?
 
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justoh

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If you have no problem being the next Bernie Madoff, maybe the problem lies with you. Can you be more specific what you think is wrong with me?

You know what? Maybe you're right after all. Maybe being the next Bernie Madoff might not be so bad after all

The OP said we'd get away with it?
 

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Lifer
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The OP said we'd get away with it?

So it's ok to be the next Bernie Madoff, as long as you get away with it? Heck, it's maybe great even. So since you aspire to be like him, only just slightly better at it, we can think of him as a pioneer in the field of con artistry! Brilliant! So you'll sign the petition then?
 

justoh

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So it's ok to be the next Bernie Madoff, as long as you get away with it? Heck, it's maybe great even. So since you aspire to be like him, only just slightly better at it, we can think of him as a pioneer in the field of con artistry! Brilliant! So you'll sign the petition then?

 

Ancalagon44

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I'd take the billion, ruin 10000 lives, and then spend the billion ruining 10000 more.

I'm hardcore like that.
 

justoh

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Little kid and man are contradictory. You seem conflicted, maybe confused. So is that a yes now to my petition or shall we wait till you grow out of your state of confusion?

Take that up with tracy morgan.

I am confused. What does madoff have to do with this hypothetical?
 

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Lifer
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Take that up with tracy morgan.

I am confused. What does madoff have to do with this hypothetical?

He decided, thinking he would get away with it, to screw people over for billions of dollars which is what the OP hypothetical is postulating. He must have thought he would get away with it because why would he do it if he knew he'd get caught?
 

justoh

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He decided, thinking he would get away with it, to screw people over for billions of dollars which is what the OP hypothetical is postulating. He must have thought he would get away with it because why would he do it if he knew he'd get caught?

Except we know we won't get caught. It's a plainly stated assumption meant to be taken for granted. You're changing the terms, mankid.
 
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Lifer
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Except we know we won't get caught. It's a plainly stated assumption meant to be taken for granted. You're changing the terms, mankid.

Madoff knew he wouldn't get caught too.

Perhaps you and I are talking about 2 different things. You might be talking about a fictional universe or story in which you can know things like that for certain. I'm talking about a non-fictional universe in which you can't.
 

justoh

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Madoff knew he wouldn't get caught too.

Perhaps you and I are talking about 2 different things. You might be talking about a fictional universe or story in which you can know things like that for certain. I'm talking about a non-fictional universe in which you can't.

That's my point too. This thread is a fictional universe. I'm glad you finally get it
 

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Lifer
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That's my point too. This thread is a fictional universe. I'm glad you finally get it

I was aware of those two universes all along, after all, I brought it up. You could have saved yourself a lot of posting had you brought it up sooner. but you couldn't bring up that which you didn't think of could you? The question now is: Which one do you live in? For you, the consequences of your actions have already begun in the real universe.
 

justoh

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Ha! All you fools that voted yes and were oh so sure have fallen for one of the world's oldest and most classic blunders! You must have all checked your brains in at the door! Just because some random internet nobody or worse, your own mind, told you that you'd get off scotfree (whatever the fack that is! Who is scot?) You believed it? Do you really believe you'd get away with a crime like that? For how long? No consequences my ass. This is one of the reasons why the grand ole US of A has the highest per capita prison population in the world. Because of fools that are oh so sure they can outsmart everyone and get away with it.

I was aware of those two universes all along, after all, I brought it up. You could have saved yourself a lot of posting had you brought it up sooner. but you couldn't bring up that which you didn't think of could you? The question now is: Which one do you live in? For you, the consequences of your actions have already begun in the real universe.

You sure? Because it doesn't look that way. You were like, uh HUH, gotcha!

 

02ranger

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Madoff knew he wouldn't get caught too.

Perhaps you and I are talking about 2 different things. You might be talking about a fictional universe or story in which you can know things like that for certain. I'm talking about a non-fictional universe in which you can't.

Why are you bringing the real world into this at all? The OP set the terms of his hypothetical universe when he posted it, and we are supposed to answer within those terms. If the OP says we will get away scotfree with no harm to our reputation, then that is a given, non-negotiable. Just like he said we'd ruin 10,000 lives by taking the money, you can't say that's too many lives to realistically ruin, it'd be more like 1,000 (or say it's too few, whatever). Saying you'd get caught in the real world is like saying Luke Skywalker could never hit the exhaust port of the Death Star because the Force isn't real. You have to work within the boundaries of the universe the OP set up for his question.
 
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