You have KILLED PC Gaming

[boran]

Consoles have a very limited audience. I dont see myself with a mouse and keyboard cobo playing Quake IV on an xBox360 or PS3, simply because those are living room appliances, and in my living room I do not have a desk for a keyboard or mouse, I have a little table, where it would be extremely uncomfy to use a keyboard and mouse. so consoles are controller-only things, which limits them to a very small fraction of the entire gaming spectrum. in general more complicated games are a PC/only buisness (most strategy games) so what will stay on PC: FPS and strategy games... and let those two now be the biggest sellers...

And as stated before, this "death of the PC" thing is as frequent as "it's the end of the world" thing and it are about the same nuts shouting those things, based upon obscure reasons and deductions.

 

[Mildlyamused]

Originally posted by: SkyBum
" if PS3 is launched early 2006 which it almost has to in order to have a chance against the 360, then PC gaming for the next year or two is done."


...again, you open your mouth and idiocy flows out. Care to make any predictions on the stock market, omnipotent one?

ROFL

 

[Mildlyamused]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: giz02

Fine, I suppose we can agree to disagree then. Do you honestly think companies are going to rehash the same old graphics engines over and over again, when better hardware is available...?

Edit: I hate to keep using UE3 as my only/primary example, but it's certainly the most visible one, and I honestly do think it will get substantial use over the coming years. Unreal Tournament 2007 will be out by the time the PS3 is scheduled to be launched, as will likely at least a few other games using the engine...

Nah, that's cool.. I mean it is a very capapable engine (from the tech demo's and screen shots I've seen), I really think the PC is quickly losing it's appeal as a place for devs to show their stuff, or even target as a gaming market.
It's expensive and therefore there is a smaller audience, this makes a smaller audience, for less net.

PC gamers have always been a much smaller audience than console gamers, there's nothing new there.

probably because pc gamers have the dough and the smarts which aren't required to be a console junkie.

 

[firefaux]

the reason you see so many games for the console compared to the pc is because its A GAMING CONSOLE. its only function is to play games. a pc on the other hand is used for many other things. walk into a best buy and see all the software including games. pc gaming is far from dead. in fact, it is at the forefront of the gaming industry, imo. all the newest software and hardware are developed for the pc first.s look at the newest consoles. they are practically pcs (ati/nvidia gpu's). all of the "nooest l33t hax0r" eye candy for console games like 'directx' or 'antialiasing' or 'high resolution' or '5.1 digital sound' that the xbox360 and ps3 are going to be using have been available for pc games since early 2000. also, while it may look like the next gen consoles are superior to current gen pc hardware, consider this: consoles are not upgradable. they will have the same tech for the next 4-5 years. meanwhile, pc technology will continue to advance every 6 months or so. as for games, i dont know if all this whining is about the quantity or quality, but i really dont see that many good games for the console either. like anything else, the vast majority of games to come out for both are going to be crap, with a few really good ones. so quit bitchin like this has never happened before.

 

[heedoyiu]

ya know i think the rich asshole is just mad because my 1gig duron 5200 and 256mb of ram runs cs source and hl2
although look at it this way sli gives you a benifit that is somewhat useless and the older fx-55 is not far from a 90nm 3000 or venice
so for those who did shell out a shitload of money for barely anything please kick your own ass, my other comp with an athlon is showing its age yet why dish out anothr 300 for mobo/cpu

 

[exdeath]

PS3 powers dual HDTV screens? Wow decoding two static video streams at 24 fps.. It probably even has a evolved MDEC ASIC doing it with 0% CPU utilization.

If you think the PS3 is going to be rendering real time games at 3840x1200 you are smoking some seriously tainted crack. Be happy if you see games supporting 480p as a baseline. You know, like the 640 x 480 that has been outdated on the PC since GL Quake and the Voodoo 2?

I'm sure when the 7800 GTX comes out (esp in SLI) and we see Unreal 3 on PC, you'll hear magazines saying how "although it looks good, its obvious they had to cut some detail out of the PC version when making the port to PS3/Xbox360" just like with Doom 3, etc.

It's the same tired story.

 

[Uclagamer_99]

man what an idiotic post lol...why are so many people even bothering to respond?

 

[boran]

Because flaming is a hobby like everything else

 

[Tool]

well...if PC gaming dies...i still have my Intellivision. Doesn't get better than that.

Tron Deadly Discs with 2 paddles....breathtaking.

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: trikster2
I do all the gaming on the 6800 in my laptop.

Sorry to hold you back with my slow graphics performance that works great on everything I have thrown at it.

Where is the PS3 laptop that is gonna blow me away and wish I never brought a PC?????????

Where is the PS3 laptop that will let me finish my masters, pay my bills and process my photoes/videos all while I am on the road making a living in between playing games?

consoolze are for kidz drooling in front of the TV; go away and come back after you grow up......

You won't be gaming on your laptop if they stop making games for it will you. I never said PC's were dead, I said PC gaming is. Thanks for your 'input'

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: Banana
I see .. .

Clever ad for the hardware you're selling!

heheh... you buying?

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: duckdown
1/10

0/10

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: thelastmccabe
You know, at first I was very frightened by this post, but I feel a little better now that I've

Many people got offended by my initial post, and they should have, it was a bit too harsh , but it opened a forum for some discussion.

Your post is exactly what I am getting at. I spent countless hours going to XP64 and re-installing all my games, only to find out that some of the ones I was interested in didn't work, and then to find that NAV, my printer and scanner didn't work, then to find that my quickcam didn't work properly. So I went back to XP... and bang.. many hours spent reconfiguring-reinstalling and getting my save games back.

You just don't have that issue with the consoles. Plug and play.

Alot of people also responded and said that this has happened before, yadda yadda, PC gaming hasn't died before... If not this round, perhaps the next. The install base is too diverse to target the high end systems. I think gaming houses are going to move PC to an after thought. And that is not good for PC gaming. We haven't created the market for them, so Sony and Microsoft have.

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
MMMM Autocad, Photoshop, Office, games, server, network for family, music creation, Lightwave, game development, programming, a million different software apps, Yes the PC is dead, LOL.

Aren't these consoles 6 months to a year away? Aren't the next generation graphics cards going to be on the PC before the consoles? Let us wait before pronouncing ourselves (our PC epenis's) deflated

I like your avatar's scholar cap, however it's a farce... Where does Autocad, Photoshop, and OFfice etc etc, fit into PC GAMING is dead. I never said the PC is dead scholar.

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: heedoyiu
ya know i think the rich asshole is just mad because my 1gig duron 5200 and 256mb of ram runs cs source and hl2
although look at it this way sli gives you a benifit that is somewhat useless and the older fx-55 is not far from a 90nm 3000 or venice
so for those who did shell out a shitload of money for barely anything please kick your own ass, my other comp with an athlon is showing its age yet why dish out anothr 300 for mobo/cpu

I could care less that your system runs HL2 CS Source. Really it doesn't. I mean you think it does, but it doesn't. I think I stated it earleir but saying you PLAYED HL2 on a system like that is like saying I watched the Matrix with an AM radio...

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: HenHowC
man what an idiotic post lol...why are so many people even bothering to respond?

Unfortunatley for the same reason your did.

 

[Amaron]

I don't understand how the creation of new hardware has anything to do with PC gaming? The markets have always been widedly divergent.

The reasons don't matter it's just always been that way. Some people like sports games and some people don't. I fail to see how the technology has anything to do with this? Any technology you can put in one is easy to copy to the other.

I have a news flash for you that you might find suprising: A console is a computer afterall.

It just happens to output to a tv and use a gamepad as it's nominal input.

If by chance the PS3 has some mind blowing technology that conventional computers don't have then Nvidia and Ati will copy it and put it on my next video card.

In other words to cut to the quick of the matter if the PS3 is all that and a bag of cookies someone will put all it's crap on a PCI Express card and I'll plug it into my PC because I play games at my desk on a monitor with a keyboard and mouse.

I mean giz isn't this just common sense to you? The xbox 360/PS3 don't have VGA support they won't have games that use a keyboard and mouse. You were right when you said it earlier. It's merely an interface issue. If the consoles adopt the PC interface they will cease to be consoles so it's all freaking moot point?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: giz02

Originally posted by: thelastmccabe
You know, at first I was very frightened by this post, but I feel a little better now that I've

Many people got offended by my initial post, and they should have, it was a bit too harsh , but it opened a forum for some discussion.

Your post is exactly what I am getting at. I spent countless hours going to XP64 and re-installing all my games, only to find out that some of the ones I was interested in didn't work, and then to find that NAV, my printer and scanner didn't work, then to find that my quickcam didn't work properly. So I went back to XP... and bang.. many hours spent reconfiguring-reinstalling and getting my save games back.

You just don't have that issue with the consoles. Plug and play.

Alot of people also responded and said that this has happened before, yadda yadda, PC gaming hasn't died before... If not this round, perhaps the next. The install base is too diverse to target the high end systems. I think gaming houses are going to move PC to an after thought. And that is not good for PC gaming. We haven't created the market for them, so Sony and Microsoft have.

so what?

i said it before and i'll say it again . . . perhaps it deserves to die. i doubt it. nVidia and ati's REAL money comes from desktop GPU, not consoles.

As long as there are PC enthusiasts with fistfulls of money there will be PC gaming.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I have to wonder if they put a keyboard, mouse, & a web browser onto a console if it wouldn't eat some of the PC market up. I know I would probably be interested & it was one of the first things I thought of when I saw the PS3. I mean there are other applications for a PC obviously, but a gaming console could easily be setup to work as a PC. I would not be surprised to see Microsoft create a type of OS for Xbox360 to take advantage of this.

Think about it, it fits into everything they said at E3 about a billion users. It would basically mean a cheap gaming computer for kids that parents could buy. It's the natural progression of gaming consoles honestly, especially when MS realizes they can sell Windows360 for $100 all day long & do probably 1/100th the amount of coding, updating, & work on it.

 

[Amaron]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
I have to wonder if they put a keyboard, mouse, & a web browser onto a console if it wouldn't eat some of the PC market up.

Well if it had a keyboard and mouse you'd need a desk to put them on. Sure those lap keyboards with roller mice exist but they are clunky to use and a gamepad would be better than that.

So my question is to you: If these consoles had a mouse keyboard and sat on a desk and plugged into a monitor wouldn't they be PC's? To me it seems your suggesting that a PC could eat up some of the PC market. Sounds bizzare.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Amaron

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
I have to wonder if they put a keyboard, mouse, & a web browser onto a console if it wouldn't eat some of the PC market up.

Well if it had a keyboard and mouse you'd need a desk to put them on. Sure those lap keyboards with roller mice exist but they are clunky to use and a gamepad would be better than that.

So my question is to you: If these consoles had a mouse keyboard and sat on a desk and plugged into a monitor wouldn't they be PC's? To me it seems your suggesting that a PC could eat up some of the PC market. Sounds bizzare.

The Xbox360 WILL support a mouse and KB thru USB . . . but not necessarily for gaming.

And i have a Belkin Nostromo N52 Speedpad, i'd like to try with a mouse and next gen console FPS . . . even if i have to have a mousepad sitting on my lap.

 

[zmaster]

Odd thought: Do you use a console to create games? No you use a PC. Think about that. Neat thread though, what with all the agenda in it. Keep it up.

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: Amaron
they will cease to be consoles so it's all freaking moot point?

Not true. PC architecture remains open and flexable. The consoles are 'computers' but not PC's. The concept of PC, as it is know now, is open flexable and expandable. ANyone can develope hardware for it's open expansion bus, without licensing or approval from sony/ms.

The xbox 1 has VGA support as well as interface options, but it is still no PC. It can perform PC functions, but technically it's not a PC.

Need ram, new sound card, whatever, you can buy and install. you get the point.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: zmaster
Odd thought: Do you use a console to create games? No you use a PC. Think about that. Neat thread though, what with all the agenda in it. Keep it up.

or a Mac

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: zmaster
Odd thought: Do you use a console to create games? No you use a PC. Think about that. Neat thread though, what with all the agenda in it. Keep it up.

Thanks!

you know, the worst part about it is that may threads would be good if they remained open, and the orginators didn't get intimidates by all those weak 'go away' posts and copies... lol

That's right kids.. if you have something to say, don't let those bully's keep you down