You have KILLED PC Gaming

[giz02]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: zmaster
Odd thought: Do you use a console to create games? No you use a PC. Think about that. Neat thread though, what with all the agenda in it. Keep it up.

or a Mac

Ya... That's unfortunate. the Mac's..

 

[w00t]

some good games you might like:
Half-Life and mods ( cs )
Half-Life 2
America's Army
Battlefield
Battlefield 2 (coming soon)
halo (yes for pc)

you notice these are all fps games but that is what i like to play i suggest you try em out America's Army is free and can be dled, half-life can be found for $20 and the rest i dont know but have played except bf2.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: giz02

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: zmaster
Odd thought: Do you use a console to create games? No you use a PC. Think about that. Neat thread though, what with all the agenda in it. Keep it up.

or a Mac

Ya... That's unfortunate. the Mac's..

Don't forget Sony Workstations - not the PC - will develop games for the PS3 [the Mac does look like the leading developing platform for the xbox360] . . .
there goes that argument.
:roll:

the ONLY thing i can find "going" for PC gaming currently is that nVidia and ati's REAL money comes from desktop GPUs, not consoles.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: apoppin

the ONLY thing i can find "going" for PC gaming currently is that nVidia and ati's REAL money comes from desktop GPUs, not consoles.

I don't see how you can say that. PC gaming, as I stated previously in this thread, is booming. It's working its way into new markets. Successful publishers, such as NCSoft, are making money hand-over-fist. Lineage, Lineage 2, City of Heroes, and Guild Wars have all been successful.

Blizzard practically has a license to print money with any product they release.

Need I go on?

Your or your friends'/colleagues' dislike of current PC games is meaningless. I don't have much enthusiasm for current PC games either, but hell, I can't ignore numbers. 1.5 million WoW subscribers? Probably 1.7 million combined subscribers for Lineage and Lineage 2 together? 250k subscribers for Guild Wars in its first week on the market? Damn!

PC gaming is far from dead.

 

[natto fire]

Originally posted by: Greenman
The pc is totaly dead and ussless. But, because I'm such an all around swell guy, I'm going to help out those of you that spent thousands on your pc's. Just send me a pm, and i'll take all that old junk off your hands for $2 a pound....

LOL..
ygpm

 

[mechBgon]

You have KILLED PC Gaming

It was him or me, man. He was comin' at me with a Sunder laserboat, I had to do something before he got within 400 meters :Q




Mechwarrior5 with the Far Cry engine, that's all I'm asking for

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: apoppin

the ONLY thing i can find "going" for PC gaming currently is that nVidia and ati's REAL money comes from desktop GPUs, not consoles.

I don't see how you can say that. PC gaming, as I stated previously in this thread, is booming. It's working its way into new markets. Successful publishers, such as NCSoft, are making money hand-over-fist. Lineage, Lineage 2, City of Heroes, and Guild Wars have all been successful.

Blizzard practically has a license to print money with any product they release.

Need I go on?

Your or your friends'/colleagues' dislike of current PC games is meaningless. I don't have much enthusiasm for current PC games either, but hell, I can't ignore numbers. 1.5 million WoW subscribers? Probably 1.7 million combined subscribers for Lineage and Lineage 2 together? 250k subscribers for Guild Wars in its first week on the market? Damn!

PC gaming is far from dead.

PC gaming is 'small potatoes' compared to consoles. Wake up

. . . and i'm going to bed now.

 

[frank84]

why do i choose PC games over Console.....

1. more options over control.. not limited to 12 or wutever buttons..

2. console only playes games... PC can do many other things.. so why would I spend extra $200 just to play games?

3. i haven't found one single game that i would like to play in console...even though I did, it wouldn't worth $200 for a new console system.

4. i don't need to change cd or dvd everytime i want to play different games.

5. i can play my favorite game and still look like i am working.

i don't really give a rat about graphics or sounds..
what i see in HL2 is already amazing to me..
sound that i hear throught my Logitech z2200 is great..

so, if i have a 17" TV with stupid speakers attached to it.. it's really not exciting to play any console...

upgrading my computer costs alot? i think spending money on console does too...

but then again, computer will not only be used for gaming but video editing and many other things i like to do ...

btw.. i dont' think the consoles will kill the PC GAmes...
if everyone can BUY all the games that they play, PC Games will never die.

 

[kobymu]

i agree, PC gaming is deaing, it is not dead yet, but it is certainly heading there.

first let my quote myself from this thread

Originally posted by: kobymu
first of all, i have never owned a console, although i have played on them.

Now, in my opinion you have missed the most important issue, which is games content, or to put it more simply, the games that where/are available to the platform.
again, in my opinion, what made computer games superior to console games where the games themselves, and that is why i have never owned a console. and that is exactly why i am NOT willing to pay a premium for (pc)hardware for gaming.

I can barely enjoy a first person shooter for more then 10 minute, no, wait, that is to simple. i need to super-scale my argument.....

Ok, the "death" of PC gaming started with dedicated (hardware)3d-engine, all these eye-candy games have killed PC gaming, or in other words PC games has turned in to console games.

One example for clarification.
arcade game: move, jump (same as move), shoot.
first person shooter: move, jump (same as move), shoot.

When i game on the PC, i play C&C, fallout, civ, Baldur's Gate, Homeworld, SimCity, Jagged Alliance, HoMM, Elder Scrolls, things like that, if i wanted to move, jump & shoot, i would have bought a console. that is what consoles are for.

the main problem is, console game for the PC (Doom, GTA, HL, Need for Speed) are the trend right now, and has been for a long time.

Games that made PC games unique are slowly disappearing and that is why consoles are taking over, and as a result of that, a PC as a gaming platform is slowly losing it's "edge" over the consoles.

point i want to elaborate on:

the "death" of PC gaming started with dedicated (hardware)3d-engine

more and more game developers are sacrificing everything at the expenses of graphics, graphics is hot, graphics sales.

who cares about thing like plot, replayability, planning & strategiesing, and the likes when all you got to do to make the games sales is make sure the game offer the most up do date, most diateiled, most realistic 3D environment , that the only thing required to enjoy it the latest and greatest ultra super expensive graphic card. dedicated hardware for games.....arrrrggg.....isn't this what consoles are for? don't get me wrong, i enjoy the latest games eye candy as much as everyone else, but if i have to choose between gameplay and graphics, for me the choice is clear, and it is not graphics.

PC gaming is deaing becuse all the game developers are using 80%-90% of their money to develope new graphics instead of developing new games. try to imagine what would happen if all of a sudden, game developers would use 80%-90% of their resources to create new gameplay styles using current graphics .... and then in that imaginary world, try to think how would PC games look like compered to consoles games.... wait, STOP, you dont have to imagine, all you got to do is look 10-15 years back in time, when almost all current gameplay styles was created.

when was the last time you have played a NEW game, or more precisely, when was the last time you had a new gaming experience, and not the same gaming experience with better graphics? when?

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: apoppin

the ONLY thing i can find "going" for PC gaming currently is that nVidia and ati's REAL money comes from desktop GPUs, not consoles.

I don't see how you can say that. PC gaming, as I stated previously in this thread, is booming. It's working its way into new markets. Successful publishers, such as NCSoft, are making money hand-over-fist. Lineage, Lineage 2, City of Heroes, and Guild Wars have all been successful.

Blizzard practically has a license to print money with any product they release.

Need I go on?

Your or your friends'/colleagues' dislike of current PC games is meaningless. I don't have much enthusiasm for current PC games either, but hell, I can't ignore numbers. 1.5 million WoW subscribers? Probably 1.7 million combined subscribers for Lineage and Lineage 2 together? 250k subscribers for Guild Wars in its first week on the market? Damn!

PC gaming is far from dead.

PC gaming is 'small potatoes' compared to consoles. Wake up

. . . and i'm going to bed now.

I think the numbers on console gaming are like 8billion and climbing. Not sure what PC gaming is at

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: kobymu
i agree, PC gaming is deaing, it is not dead yet, but it is certainly heading there.

first let my quote myself from this thread

Originally posted by: kobymu
first of all, i have never owned a console, although i have played on them.

Now, in my opinion you have missed the most important issue, which is games content, or to put it more simply, the games that where/are available to the platform.
again, in my opinion, what made computer games superior to console games where the games themselves, and that is why i have never owned a console. and that is exactly why i am NOT willing to pay a premium for (pc)hardware for gaming.

I can barely enjoy a first person shooter for more then 10 minute, no, wait, that is to simple. i need to super-scale my argument.....

Ok, the "death" of PC gaming started with dedicated (hardware)3d-engine, all these eye-candy games have killed PC gaming, or in other words PC games has turned in to console games.

GFX are taking over because I think right now, we are getting to (or just got on ) the fast part of the asymptotic curve to realism with 'video' or computer generated graphics. Everone is excited and the push right now is towards a 100% realistic environment, one that you can tell the difference between reality and farce. As asymptotic curves go, this one will slow as it infintity gets closer to 1 (or reality), remember, we started at text.... Once the curve slows again, I think we'll start seeing a REQUIREMENT to push for less features, and more creative content. As for now [edit from new], the gfx sell!

In a way, it will be a low point for content/originality, but a high point for graphics and sound.

Also not to forget, although everyone seems to think KB/Mouse is the interface of choice
there will be new ones to come along, as well as new sound formats and display devices (3d stereo hasn't had a big push in a while, nor has game cams (eyetoy type input, although that seems to be getting it's push now) tactile feedback, nor head tracking. All of these features have been touched on, but have been left in the dust as of late. What is my point and what does this have to do with the thread? My point is that the PC will probably be the testbed for these emerging technologies, and that is a good thing for PC gaming. Hopefully those categories (input/display/immersion) will breathe some new life into it.

when was the last time you have played a NEW game, or more precisely, when was the last time you had a new gaming experience, and not the same gaming experience with better graphics? when?

Same time I heard a new song or saw a new movie.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

I actually wrote a few paragraphs but then i deleted the whole thing because I just re-read the first post in this thread, which made me realize a simple point:

the dude's either a dumb-ass or is tripping on acid. I seriously hope its the first one because if ranting in internet forums while on an acid trip is something people do, I don't see what all the fuss is about...

 

[giz02]

is tripping on acid.

LMAO

 

[microAmp]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

You have KILLED PC Gaming

It was him or me, man. He was comin' at me with a Sunder laserboat, I had to do something before he got within 400 meters :Q




Mechwarrior5 with the Far Cry engine, that's all I'm asking for

What about the engine S.T.A.L.K.E.R. uses?

The land is alive. Every monster and stalker in the game has a life and will roam around finding what it needs to survive, including killing and eating each other. They sleep, fight, and die, just like you and the other stalkers wandering the area. After dispatching the attackers presenting immediate danger to Oleg, a quick glance to the left showed a dog dragging a corpse up into the hills to feast in safety. It's touches like these that give this 30 square kilometer playing field its vibrant presentation.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: microAmp

Originally posted by: mechBgon

You have KILLED PC Gaming

It was him or me, man. He was comin' at me with a Sunder laserboat, I had to do something before he got within 400 meters :Q




Mechwarrior5 with the Far Cry engine, that's all I'm asking for

What about the engine S.T.A.L.K.E.R. uses?

The land is alive. Every monster and stalker in the game has a life and will roam around finding what it needs to survive, including killing and eating each other. They sleep, fight, and die, just like you and the other stalkers wandering the area. After dispatching the attackers presenting immediate danger to Oleg, a quick glance to the left showed a dog dragging a corpse up into the hills to feast in safety. It's touches like these that give this 30 square kilometer playing field its vibrant presentation.

WHAT about STALKER?

it looks like a No-Show and wasn't at E3
:thumbsdown:

 

[kobymu]

Originally posted by: giz02
GFX are taking over because I think right now, we are getting to (or just got on ) the fast part of the asymptotic curve to realism with 'video' or computer generated graphics. Everone is excited and the push right now is towards a 100% realistic environment, one that you can tell the difference between reality and farce. As asymptotic curves go, this one will slow as it infintity gets closer to 1 (or reality), remember, we started at text.... Once the curve slows again, I think we'll start seeing a REQUIREMENT to push for less features, and more creative content. As for now [edit from new], the gfx sell!

In a way, it will be a low point for content/originality, but a high point for graphics and sound.

Also not to forget, although everyone seems to think KB/Mouse is the interface of choice
there will be new ones to come along, as well as new sound formats and display devices (3d stereo hasn't had a big push in a while, nor has game cams (eyetoy type input, although that seems to be getting it's push now) tactile feedback, nor head tracking. All of these features have been touched on, but have been left in the dust as of late. What is my point and what does this have to do with the thread? My point is that the PC will probably be the testbed for these emerging technologies, and that is a good thing for PC gaming. Hopefully those categories (input/display/immersion) will breathe some new life into it.

The problem is, in my opinion, is with the feedback that game developers are getting from the gamers, the developers don't hear "i want something new", they hear "give me <same game>2", for example when GTA-SA came out everybody said (at least evreybody i heard) "this is even better then GTA-VC", they didn't say "hi, wait a minute, this is the same god damn thing".

from my pessimistic point of view, game companies are stumbling into a circle in which the bigger the console market is, it becomes more economical to develope the next computer games with console in mind then it would be to develope games that use PC capabilities that are not present on the consoles. once the next generation consoles as a platform offer all the capabilities that current games require, the PC as a gaming platform would die. innovation is the only thing that is keeping the PC alive, but if gamers will not push harder for more innovation, eventually the console will completely take over.

take neverwinter for example, when bioware will start to develope neverwinter2 it may decide (and rightfully so) that is would be more profitable to make it work also on PS3 or Xbox2, and if that happens bioware will probably not make the game modder friendly because now the game is intended to a market in which only a small part of it can use that feature (i personly doubt that the next generation consoles will support this feature), and unless gamers will start to send thousands of emails to bioware telling them they want it then that game will lose one of it's best part.

 

[Oyeve]

I remember the good old days when they had to port a PC game to a console! Now it's the opposite. Now PC gamers have to wait for console port overs. The profit on making a PC game is so small that the developers make consoles their first priority, then comes the PC. I really don't care either way as consoles are going to become so powerful that as long as games are made I will be happy. Even if PC games stopped altogether I have so many PC games that I can play til the day I die.

 

[Washoe]

LOL @ the OP

funny stuff. :laugh:

 

[Battlewaffle]

You're angry, and biased, and wrong.


For almost 2 decades, consoles and PC's have played leapfrog over each other in terms of performance, accessibility, etc. Nothing is different now. Console games don't offer near the controls as PC gaming. And console gaming experiences are still governed by how good a tv you have. Hi moron, not everyone has a $3,000 HDTV to display the PS3's capabilities. Getting a PC game to look good is easier to do and cheaper than buying an expensive HDTV monitor. The PS3 can't ever change. Let's talk in 2-3 years and we'll see how PC games are in relation to PS3 games, which will be on 3 year old hardware.

All PC games are tuned to provide a full range of performance turning options. There is no "developers having to cater to the lowest hardware". PC gaming will never die. It's only gotten more common and easier. Your entire post is incorrect, no matter what you think, PC gaming is bigger and better and will continually (steadily) improve. Consoles come in spurts every few years. This is common knowledge. It's suprising you fail to realise this.

Both genres of gaming will always be around. Consoles and PC. Neither will kill the other. Eventually the two may merge, maybe, but that's too far off to predict accruately. Sports titles are generally better to play on Consoles. But one of the biggest things that the PC industry has going for itself, is the console controllers will never equal the ease and controllability of the keyboard/mouse. You have to buy a seperate keyboard/mouse for a console (if they even make it) just to play Halo 2 or 3 on the console? That's lame. PC gaming has this option for every game. And playing Halo for instance on a console controller vs the accuracy and ease of a keyboard/mouse is no contest.

Console gaming is more mainstream and easier (cept for keyboard/mouse), but it's not for serious gamers. Serious gamers are on the PC


Next...

 

[Battlewaffle]

"Another decent system, but I'll ask you, don't you feel like you wasted money on it? What out there pushes it to the limits. I see you've been doing some overclocking... Why?"


EverQuest 2, Halflife 2, Doom 3, FarCry, WoW, and any new game that continue to comes out. Age of Empires 3. The software always pushes the hardware, just doesn't happen instantly.

 

[Battlewaffle]

"I had high hopes for BF2, but I bet it'll be just as sweet on the PS3"


Nope, cuz you'll be trying to play with a PS3 controller, not a keyboard/mouse/joystick.

BF2 on PS3 will be nothing compared to PC. Not to mention running the game at 1600x1200, or 1920x1200 native rez on a 24" widescreen 16:10 lcd will rule on the PC. You can't do that with a console until you buy your $3,000 HDTV. And that Dell LCD is only $1000. This is the same ol mentality with every console launch. PC games will steadily and always be better and more flexible than Consoles.
You're jumping on the console hype bandwagon 1.5 years before it even comes out, and in the end, it's going to end up the same as when the PS2 launched and people said the same thing.

PC gaming will always be better.

 

[Battlewaffle]

"The problem is not the hardware being better/more powerful, it's when will the main stream be more powerful. When will the main market segment be more powerful, because that is when the developers start paying attention to it. I'll say Mid2007"

I understand what you're saying here. But still the point stands. The console coming out now, yes, games will be better now at this point.....well, in 2007. But the mainstream software quality in 2007 and on into 2010 (when the PS3 is fixed at it's capability) will continue to get better and better as it has in the past. And PC gaming will have gotten bigger and bigger still and PC game quality, even mainstream, will surpass consoles again. Just like it has for PS2. This is a common trend that has happened every time.

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: Battlewaffle
"I had high hopes for BF2, but I bet it'll be just as sweet on the PS3"


Nope, cuz you'll be trying to play with a PS3 controller, not a keyboard/mouse/joystick.

BF2 on PS3 will be nothing compared to PC. Not to mention running the game at 1600x1200, or 1920x1200 native rez on a 24" widescreen 16:10 lcd will rule on the PC.
PC gaming will always be better.

Actually I've already made the investment in my living room so playing at 1920x1080i on my 61 inch TV in the living room will be sweet... and see earlier for interface comments (*keyboard mouse on PS3)...

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: Battlewaffle
"The problem is not the hardware being better/more powerful, it's when will the main stream be more powerful. When will the main market segment be more powerful, because that is when the developers start paying attention to it. I'll say Mid2007"

I understand what you're saying here. But still the point stands. The console coming out now, yes, games will be better now at this point.....well, in 2007. But the mainstream software quality in 2007 and on into 2010 (when the PS3 is fixed at it's capability) will continue to get better and better as it has in the past. And PC gaming will have gotten bigger and bigger still and PC game quality, even mainstream, will surpass consoles again. Just like it has for PS2. This is a common trend that has happened every time.

It sure will surpass it.,.. But it's more attractive to have to drop another $400 in 2007 (or 2010), instead of $400+ every year until then (to keep the PC up to snuff)

 

[giz02]

What about the engine S.T.A.L.K.E.R. uses?

That engine looks good, but it got pushed back again (last I heard Q1 06)