You have KILLED PC Gaming

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: giz02

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
And here come the console fanboys....

Look, people have been predicting the death of PC gaming at every new console launch in recent history. Has it happened? Obviously not. Will it? Very unlikely. Have you ignored the part of the PS3 previews where it said it won't be available for a year and a half anyway?

:roll:

Actually, I'm the only one in this thread predicting it, and I'm not a console fanboy, the rest of the guys are basically calling me an idiot. I've invested really nothing into my console.. (Xbox btw), and it gets no love at home. Most of my time is spent tinkering on the PC, waiting for that killer app (game) that will never come. I had high hopes for BF2, but I bet it'll be just as sweet on the PS3

have any of you seen the PS3 Kill Zone movie? View it then comment back.

Of course I've seen that movie. Impressive, yes, but someone made the point that they never bothered to mention that it was being rendered in realtime like they did with the UE3 demo. Whether anything like that is actually possible in real-time on the PS3 (and more importantly, whether anyone will actually do anything like that) remains to be seen, and as I said, it's quite a bit in the future still. There are lots of new things coming out on the PC hardware side within the next six months, what makes you think that this console to be released a year and a half from now will totally decimate PC's? It's not as if hardware is going to come to a standstill in the interim...

Originally posted by: giz02

Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
When PS2 came out long ago the same scenario happens. Yeah the graphic was indeed better on PS2 when it rolled out. But what? Current PC games looks better than PS2.

Consoles games lack flexibility. The same architecture, altough is powerful by current terms; would stay for quite a while. PC is different, we can upgrade them. Games quality are improving all the time; While for consoles they are fixed

Haven't you see the demo of Unreal 2007? It looked AS good AS the PS3 demo
New technology are rolling out as well
WGF 2.0
PPU

Calm down and think wise

I've seen the 2007 demos and they look t1ts. But aren't they being cross dev'd on the consoles as well?

WGF 2.0 is great. I've watched several longhorn demos and saw it's power, but I don't think it will really solve the main points

PPU is also INCREDIBLE, however, if not everyone has it in their system, then what is the point? I think it's 2-3 years before ppu's are mainstream

Yes, Unreal Engine 3 is supposed to be able to run on next-gen consoles too. If anything, this would mean that PC's are still and will remain just as capable as these consoles. And this is before the consoles are even out; imagine what kind of awesome hardware will be out for the PC a year or two from now.

As for the PPU - you might as well ask "If not everyone has a 6800 Ultra, then what's the point?". If you have it, you can use it. Unreal Engine 3 is going to support the PPU tech, and if past Unreal engines are any indication, it will be licensed many times over. Hell, there are several licensees already.

 

[0roo0roo]

if they ever bother adding kb and mouse support they..

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
hey, moron... the world is larger than the U.S. (and maybe Japan)... and very few people in the rest of the world can afford consoles... at least with a computer in their house they can do more than play games.

This kind of narrow, idiotic thinking - or should I call it tunnel vision? - was time and again responsible for "great" industry succeses, like the original DIVX and others like it.

Who were you before you were banned?

HEHEH I was never banned. And I don't want to attack or offend you, but don't you think the PS3 and XB360 will be more than just gaming rigs? PS3 will offer net and P2P sharing, XB360 will be a media center...

These are really CHEAP computers (just like the xbox was, if you were willing to tinker with it..)

 

[SkyBum]

Originally posted by: giz02
Most of my time is spent tinkering on the PC, waiting for that killer app (game) that will never come. I had high hopes for BF2, but I bet it'll be just as sweet on the PS3

So let me get this straight. Part of your premise for the demise of PC gaming is that Battlefield 2 will be "just as sweet on the PS3"?

Unbelievable.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: SkyBum

Originally posted by: giz02
Most of my time is spent tinkering on the PC, waiting for that killer app (game) that will never come. I had high hopes for BF2, but I bet it'll be just as sweet on the PS3

So let me get this straight. Part of your premise for the demise of PC gaming is that Battlefield 2 will be "just as sweet on the PS3"?

Unbelievable.

No no....his premise is that he "bets" it will be just as sweet on the PS3....

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Of course I've seen that movie. Impressive, yes, but someone made the point that they never bothered to mention that it was being rendered in realtime like they did with the UE3 demo. Whether anything like that is actually possible in real-time on the PS3 (and more importantly, whether anyone will actually do anything like that) remains to be seen, and as I said, it's quite a bit in the future still. There are lots of new things coming out on the PC hardware side within the next six months, what makes you think that this console to be released a year and a half from now will totally decimate PC's? It's not as if hardware is going to come to a standstill in the interim...

I'm betting that it was realtime, but My bet is that it was on rails...

Yes, Unreal Engine 3 is supposed to be able to run on next-gen consoles too. If anything, this would mean that PC's are still and will remain just as capable as these consoles. And this is before the consoles are even out; imagine what kind of awesome hardware will be out for the PC a year or two from now.

As for the PPU - you might as well ask "If not everyone has a 6800 Ultra, then what's the point?". If you have it, you can use it. Unreal Engine 3 is going to support the PPU tech, and if past Unreal engines are any indication, it will be licensed many times over. Hell, there are several licensees already.

You know, as well as I do that there is a differece between the "if not 6800 Ultras..." and a PPU. The difference is, that everyone has a DX9 gfx card in their systems.. It's a global requirement, so we buy it, whether it is a Radeon 9000, or twin G70's.... A PPU will not be a global requirement, so many will opt out of purchasing one. It's different that way.

Hardware in a year or two will be great, for sure, but what is in between. The road map is out. R520's and G70's, Dual Core processors. But who will have them.. only the real bleeding edge enthusists. It's not a good target for game devs.

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: SkyBum

Originally posted by: giz02
Most of my time is spent tinkering on the PC, waiting for that killer app (game) that will never come. I had high hopes for BF2, but I bet it'll be just as sweet on the PS3

So let me get this straight. Part of your premise for the demise of PC gaming is that Battlefield 2 will be "just as sweet on the PS3"?

Unbelievable.

Let me ask you, what is on the horizon for PC's. And I realize that I am asking someone who maybe a bit confused... Why an ATI card with an ASUS SLI motherboard? LOL

 

[Regs]

Hmk

 

[Regs]

If anything they'll make the games for the consoles first and port them to the PC.

 

[Chosonman]

Who told you to spend $5000.00 on that FX-55 Dual 6800GT SLI. LOL talk about overkill for todays games.
I spent $750 on my AMD 64 3000+ and my single 6800 NU. I'm not complaining.

The thing I realized (and it looks like you're realizing it now) is that it's the mid level systems that are the core audience of game makers and you don't have to spend a fortune to have fun. Technology is evolving constantly, and you're FX-55 Dual 6800GT amounts to flushing your money down the toilet for a cheap thrill.

It sounds like you got your thrill and now you have nothing better to do. LOL, you wasted your money on SLI.....

oh, and there's no such thing s FUTURE PROOF!

 

[SkyBum]

Originally posted by: giz02
Let me ask you, what is on the horizon for PC's. And I realize that I am asking someone who maybe a bit confused... Why an ATI card with an ASUS SLI motherboard? LOL

Unlike yourself, I'm not real big on making wild speculations for the future.

As for the SLI board, I held out from October to December waiting for vanilla nForce 4 boards to ship. When the SLI versions shipped first I didn't feel like waiting another 2 months so I simply took what was available. Got a problem with that?

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: mooojojojo
Where can we see the Kill Zone movie?

check em here:
http://www.gametrailers.com

More specifically:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=5833&type=wmv

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: giz02

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Of course I've seen that movie. Impressive, yes, but someone made the point that they never bothered to mention that it was being rendered in realtime like they did with the UE3 demo. Whether anything like that is actually possible in real-time on the PS3 (and more importantly, whether anyone will actually do anything like that) remains to be seen, and as I said, it's quite a bit in the future still. There are lots of new things coming out on the PC hardware side within the next six months, what makes you think that this console to be released a year and a half from now will totally decimate PC's? It's not as if hardware is going to come to a standstill in the interim...

I'm betting that it was realtime, but My bet is that it was on rails...

Yes, Unreal Engine 3 is supposed to be able to run on next-gen consoles too. If anything, this would mean that PC's are still and will remain just as capable as these consoles. And this is before the consoles are even out; imagine what kind of awesome hardware will be out for the PC a year or two from now.

As for the PPU - you might as well ask "If not everyone has a 6800 Ultra, then what's the point?". If you have it, you can use it. Unreal Engine 3 is going to support the PPU tech, and if past Unreal engines are any indication, it will be licensed many times over. Hell, there are several licensees already.

You know, as well as I do that there is a differece between the "if not 6800 Ultras..." and a PPU. The difference is, that everyone has a DX9 gfx card in their systems.. It's a global requirement, so we buy it, whether it is a Radeon 9000, or twin G70's.... A PPU will not be a global requirement, so many will opt out of purchasing one. It's different that way.

Hardware in a year or two will be great, for sure, but what is in between. The road map is out. R520's and G70's, Dual Core processors. But who will have them.. only the real bleeding edge enthusists. It's not a good target for game devs.

What I've read about the PPU suggests that it can accelerate physics SDK's that already exist and are in use today, which should help it quite a bit as far as usefulness.

Edit: Short interview with Tim Sweeney on the subject.

Edit 2: In response to the last sentence you wrote - what else do you want?? R520/G70 are largely just a faster version of a feature set that's been out for a year already (since the 6800 series) so that feature set can really be targeted (which it is with UE3), and UE3 at least will exploit dual core processors. Obviously not 100% of games will use all of this immediately, but it's never been like that. The games will be there.

 

[fierydemise]

Now this is funny someone with a machine I would kill for is bemoaning PC gaming like its coming to an end, fine you can believe that, since you'll be moving to consoles can I have your rig, I'll gladly pay shipping.

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: SkyBum

Originally posted by: giz02
Let me ask you, what is on the horizon for PC's. And I realize that I am asking someone who maybe a bit confused... Why an ATI card with an ASUS SLI motherboard? LOL

Unlike yourself, I'm not real big on making wild speculations for the future.

As for the SLI board, I held out from October to December waiting for vanilla nForce 4 boards to ship.

LOL Talk about makin a while speculation for the future

I should have been more clear, what's on the gaming horizon?

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Now this is funny someone with a machine I would kill for is bemoaning PC gaming like its coming to an end, fine you can believe that, since you'll be moving to consoles can I have your rig, I'll gladly pay shipping.

Umm ya, if you wanna buy it off of me...

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: giz02

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Now this is funny someone with a machine I would kill for is bemoaning PC gaming like its coming to an end, fine you can believe that, since you'll be moving to consoles can I have your rig, I'll gladly pay shipping.

Umm ya, if you wanna buy it off of me...

How bout this, I'll buy you an xbox 360 and PS3 and pay shipping and you just ship your rig out to me.

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: Chosonman
Who told you to spend $5000.00 on that FX-55 Dual 6800GT SLI. LOL talk about overkill for todays games.
I spent $750 on my AMD 64 3000+ and my single 6800 NU. I'm not complaining.

The thing I realized (and it looks like you're realizing it now) is that it's the mid level systems that are the core audience of game makers and you don't have to spend a fortune to have fun. Technology is evolving constantly, and you're FX-55 Dual 6800GT amounts to flushing your money down the toilet for a cheap thrill.

It sounds like you got your thrill and now you have nothing better to do. LOL, you wasted your money on SLI.....

oh, and there's no such thing s FUTURE PROOF!

No kiddin on the future proof. And where are you guys getting this $5000 figure from? My gawd.

Breakdown $189 MB, $800 CPU, $1000 (gfx) $50 case, $89HD, $200 Ram, $150 Power
What are you guys payin in, Pesos?

 

[clarkey01]

ITS ALL MY FAULT

 

[SkyBum]

Originally posted by: giz02
LOL Talk about makin a while speculation for the future

Actually it wasn't speculation. Anandtech reported early in October that the nForce 4 boards would be shipping within a couple of weeks and that the SLI versions would follow sometime later. In reality we didnt see the first nForce 4 board until early in December which as we all know turned out to be the SLI model. What was your point?

 

[giz02]

The games will be there.

That is your prediction, mine is, they won't. Not for years.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: giz02

The games will be there.

That is your prediction, mine is, they won't. Not for years.

Fine, I suppose we can agree to disagree then. Do you honestly think companies are going to rehash the same old graphics engines over and over again, when better hardware (and software!) is available...?

Edit: I hate to keep using UE3 as my only/primary example, but it's certainly the most visible one, and I honestly do think it will get substantial use over the coming years. Unreal Tournament 2007 will be out by the time the PS3 is scheduled to be launched, as will likely at least a few other games using the engine...

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: SkyBum

Originally posted by: giz02
LOL Talk about makin a while speculation for the future

Actually it wasn't speculation. Anandtech reported early in October that the nForce 4 boards would be shipping within a couple of weeks and that the SLI versions would follow sometime later. In reality we didnt see the first nForce 4 board until early in December which as we all know turned out to be the SLI model. What was your point?

My point is that there is a good possibility that you may not know what you are talking about.

 

[giz02]

Fine, I suppose we can agree to disagree then. Do you honestly think companies are going to rehash the same old graphics engines over and over again, when better hardware is available...?

Edit: I hate to keep using UE3 as my only/primary example, but it's certainly the most visible one, and I honestly do think it will get substantial use over the coming years. Unreal Tournament 2007 will be out by the time the PS3 is scheduled to be launched, as will likely at least a few other games using the engine...

Nah, that's cool.. I mean it is a very capapable engine (from the tech demo's and screen shots I've seen), I really think the PC is quickly losing it's appeal as a place for devs to show their stuff, or even target as a gaming market.
It's expensive and therefore there is a smaller audience, this makes a smaller audience, for less net.

 

[SkyBum]

Originally posted by: giz02

Originally posted by: SkyBum

Originally posted by: giz02
LOL Talk about makin a while speculation for the future

Actually it wasn't speculation. Anandtech reported early in October that the nForce 4 boards would be shipping within a couple of weeks and that the SLI versions would follow sometime later. In reality we didnt see the first nForce 4 board until early in December which as we all know turned out to be the SLI model. What was your point?

My point is that there is a good possibility that you may not know what you are talking about.

Ah, so you are implying that you and I are on the same level.