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giz02

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Originally posted by: Vernor
All of you clowns who have been playing ?double-dutch? ([Edit] (NOT) having the balls to [know when to] jump in to the PC game), the majority of the users here running XP1600?s (or any XP for that matter) and Radeon 9800?s (or anything less than a X800pro/6800GT) have really tanked the PC market.


Go play a game that requires a brain:

http://www.warinthepacific.net/

Errm, isnt' that risk? Why do I need a computer for that?
 

bjc112

Lifer
Dec 23, 2000
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Originally posted by: giz02
Originally posted by: Gomce
same sh1t before every console launch, yawn
You won't see PS3 before 2007! Trust me on this!


If you are right, then that is fine. However if PS3 is launched early 2006 which it almost has to in order to have a chance against the 360, then PC gaming for the next year or two is done.

Why? Games produced on XBOX and PS3 will still come out on PC.. After the release of both consoles, PC will catch back up..

No worries..
 

jrphoenix

Golden Member
Feb 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: giz02
Originally posted by: nick1985
hi. go away.

Epox 9NDA3+
Athlon 64 3000 @ 2.7Ghz
EVGA 6800GT @ Ultra
G Skill PC-4400 @ 300 FSB running 1:1 Ratio
120 Gig Maxtor
40 Gig Maxtor
500 Watt Aspire PSU
Another decent system, but I'll ask you, don't you feel like you wasted money on it? What out there pushes it to the limits. I see you've been doing some overclocking... Why?


I do..... on my rig feel like it is wasted at times The steam survey left me feeling depressed because as you say games are coded for the lower bulk of users
 

giz02

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Feb 28, 2005
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Originally posted by: nick1985
should we trust someone with the word "Jizz" in their username?


I'd trust him as much as I'd trust a person named nick with a female witch as an avatar
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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The pc is totaly dead and ussless. But, because I'm such an all around swell guy, I'm going to help out those of you that spent thousands on your pc's. Just send me a pm, and i'll take all that old junk off your hands for $2 a pound....
 

giz02

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Feb 28, 2005
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Originally posted by: Greenman
The pc is totaly dead and ussless. But, because I'm such an all around swell guy, I'm going to help out those of you that spent thousands on your pc's. Just send me a pm, and i'll take all that old junk off your hands for $2 a pound....


Hey, careful. My rig is pretty heavy
 

shukusatsu

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May 17, 2005
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Just remember everyone, if you can't spend $5000 dollars a year on your PC for gaming only, you are making baby Jesus cry. Sorry bud, that $5000 a year goes to anime/manga/Japan, much more important than if I can get 2 more fps than you.
 

Gurck

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Mar 16, 2004
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I contend that consoles instead have ruined PC gaming. Because of their popularity, less PC hardware is sold, thus its development is slower and cost higher. If consoles didn't exist, the minimum hardware you recommend would be within the realm of what most people are willing to spend.
 

giz02

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gsellis

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I think the solution for this issue involves nooky. ;D

It is all about economics. The system to match what you want for everyone is not feasible for everyone's budget. BUT, it does get closer every year. But the counterpoint is that so do the consoles. You cannot blame the folks for having different priorities. Maybe your expectations need to change?

How about another hobby? CG animation or HDV editing will sufficiently annoy you when you realize how slow your machine is I recommend Hash Animation:Master (used for Duke Nukem's character generation a ways back) or one of the lastest HD supporting NLE's with a Sony HDR-Z1U HDV camcorder.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: Gurck
I contend that consoles instead have ruined PC gaming. Because of their popularity, less PC hardware is sold, thus its development is slower and cost higher. If consoles didn't exist, the minimum hardware you recommend would be within the realm of what most people are willing to spend.

which is bullsh8t since console gaming has always existed.
 

RaiderJ

Diamond Member
Apr 29, 2001
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If you dropped $$$ on a top-end PC JUST for gaming, that's your own fault. That's what consoles are for.

If you had a brain you'd have bought a little more reasonable hardware. Did you come fresh from reading "Maximum PC" and Tom's Hardware?
 

RaiderJ

Diamond Member
Apr 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: Gurck
I contend that consoles instead have ruined PC gaming. Because of their popularity, less PC hardware is sold, thus its development is slower and cost higher. If consoles didn't exist, the minimum hardware you recommend would be within the realm of what most people are willing to spend.

Too bad that the original Nintendo is what in many ways revived video and computer games. Anybody who buys a computer JUST to play games is wasting money.
 

giz02

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Feb 28, 2005
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Originally posted by: RaiderJ
If you dropped $$$ on a top-end PC JUST for gaming, that's your own fault. That's what consoles are for.

If you had a brain you'd have bought a little more reasonable hardware. Did you come fresh from reading "Maximum PC" and Tom's Hardware?


That's funny,
Prior these releases, Top gaming WAS on the PC. The aformentinoed titles should ring a few bells. There was nothing like Halflife2 Doom 3, Farcry available on the consoles (other than Halo, which paled in comparision to those).

PC's were the cutting ground for new technology, and had there been a bigger base, would have been the best place to play.
 

giz02

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Feb 28, 2005
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Originally posted by: RaiderJ
Originally posted by: Gurck
I contend that consoles instead have ruined PC gaming. Because of their popularity, less PC hardware is sold, thus its development is slower and cost higher. If consoles didn't exist, the minimum hardware you recommend would be within the realm of what most people are willing to spend.

Too bad that the original Nintendo is what in many ways revived video and computer games. Anybody who buys a computer JUST to play games is wasting money.


It's not JUST to play videogames, it's a multi function device. I used to top up my systems to play the best available games.
 

giz02

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Feb 28, 2005
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Originally posted by: gsellis
I think the solution for this issue involves nooky. ;D

It is all about economics. The system to match what you want for everyone is not feasible for everyone's budget. BUT, it does get closer every year. But the counterpoint is that so do the consoles. You cannot blame the folks for having different priorities. Maybe your expectations need to change?

How about another hobby? CG animation or HDV editing will sufficiently annoy you when you realize how slow your machine is I recommend Hash Animation:Master (used for Duke Nukem's character generation a ways back) or one of the lastest HD supporting NLE's with a Sony HDR-Z1U HDV camcorder.


I'm looking that way.. This scene is all but dead
 

Gurck

Banned
Mar 16, 2004
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Originally posted by: RaiderJ
If you dropped $$$ on a top-end PC JUST for gaming, that's your own fault. That's what consoles are for.

If you had a brain you'd have bought a little more reasonable hardware. Did you come fresh from reading "Maximum PC" and Tom's Hardware?
Too bad that the original Nintendo is what in many ways revived video and computer games. Anybody who buys a computer JUST to play games is wasting money.
Pretty much agree, buying top-end hardware has always been a sucker's game. For twice the price you get 10% more performance, and a few months down the road the price will have dropped drastically and there'll be something faster out.

Most people use PCs for many things in addition to, or other than, gaming however. This is evidenced by thte fact that the majority of PCs sold have onboard video solutions. For people with other uses for a computer, it's a much better solution, as buying a console in addition to it is redundant.
 

SkyBum

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Oct 16, 2004
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You sound like a fairly intelligent person, yet many of your points would seem to contradict that. I can't help feeling that you have found a new site to troll on, but just for the sake of doubt, I'll point out some of the things in your post which set me off.


Originally posted by: giz02

PC Gaming is over, and it?s YOUR fault. Yes YOU all you lame ass ?l33t? ?the PC is the best gaming platform? ?my wallet is lost with my balls? fools who talk the talk but lack the walk have ruined it!

This is largely why I called you a moron. Sorry, but statements like that tend to set off my bullshit meter. So you're blaming all those people who do not spend top dollar on the latest technology, for the current state of PC gaming? Do you really think games would be that much different if the average person had a state of the art rig? Let's face it, mainstream PC's will always be made up of the middle to lower end of available technology and games will always be targeted to that segment of technology. It's a simple rule of economics. If you can't please everyone, then please the largest segment and do your best to placate the rest. Granted, we would see some general improvements if everyone had a killer rig, but this would still not address the fact that the problem with most games is not the graphical capability of it's targeted machine spec. as much as it is low production values and rushed schedules.

You may think that I am konsole kid, but you are sadly mistaken. I run 10.5?s and 23?s (05/03) on an air cooled o/c?d FX55/6800GT sli rig. I?ve spent dollar after dollar on my rig, in hopes that one day, someone would make a game that would blow me away, but unfortunately, because I represent about 3% of the PC gaming segment, developers have left me to rot!

I'm sorry you feel that way. Actually, games like Far Cry, Half life 2, *cough* Doom 3, Riddick, etc. have done a lot for those of us with high end machines and I fully expect to see more of the same coming down the pipe (Battlefield 2, Stalker, Falcon 4.0: Allied Force to name a few that interest me...) As I see it, you are disappointed at having spent so much money on a killer rig and yet you have very few interesting games to play on it (and I can certainly identify with that sentiment). This could be as much to do with your taste in games as anything. While you and I might call it somewhat of a dry spell for gaming in general, I would imagine that there are others who have different tastes in games who are in fat city right now. Developers have not left you to rot. It's just that you are in a segment of gamers who is in the margin ie: high spec machine with very specific gaming tastes. (Ok, maybe they have left us to rot but can you blame them)? This is a business endeavor on their part and they will seek out and exploit the largest segment of the market at the expense of the rest.


All of you clowns who have been playing ?double-dutch? ([Edit] (NOT) having the balls to [know when to] jump in to the PC game), the majority of the users here running XP1600?s (or any XP for that matter) and Radeon 9800?s (or anything less than a X800pro/6800GT) have really tanked the PC market.

The market has tanked itself. It may recover and it may not but let's face it, everyone going out and upgrading their rigs to high end machines will not change anything. We will still have the larger problem of rushed, poorly developed games saturating the market and that, in my opinion is the reason for the declining state of PC gaming.

I don?t blame the developers really. That is why the PC games suck now, there is no market out there to spend the money to make a good game, and even if they did spend the production costs/time to make a really great game, only 3% of the users out there would be able to appreciate it.

There is a market out there (unless you consider 1 billion dollars not to be a market) What good is a technologically state of the art game though if it is not fun to play? (doom 3 anyone?) Again, the problem is a general poor quality of development. Even if we all had high end machines I say we would still be inundated with the same crappy games we are seeing now. I'm not about to blame the mainstream PC crowd for this problem because it's patently not their fault. You seem to be equating "great game" with high recommended system specs. yet there is much more than that to a great game in my opinion.

The PS3 has finished us off. (and if you haven?t seen the videos, I suggest you take a look!) At least I can sell my equipment to you before it becomes worthless. I?ve never seen graphics and action like that, but I bet we all could have.

Finished us off? It's more than likely a YEAR AND A HALF AWAY. Frankly, I think you are letting the hype get to you a bit too much. You really don't think the next year and a half will have ANYTHING to offer to rival what you've seen in a handful of questionable launch hype videos? Sell your machine if you must, but I worry that you'll come to regret it at some point.

I was SERIOUSLLY considering dual/quadcore and quad gpu PC hardware, but what is the use. I?ll be sitting there with a monster rig (like I am now), with nothing to play on it.

That's the downside of being a discerning gamer. You just have to accept the fact that there are often dry spells between truly great games and learn to savor them when you are lucky enough to find one that blows your mind.

Here?s how things rank up right now (imo)
Controls ? PS3 has blue tooth integrated. Many people have posted why 7 devices (lol) why an odd number of controllers? Well there can be 8 devices on a BT device, and not all of them will be gamepads. The sky is the limit now with controlling the PS3. This cell in my pocket could be a controller now, and the BEST wheel available at a consumer level is the Logitech Driving Force Pro 900 (a PS2 wheel).

Agreed. Chalk one up for the PS3.

Every time they sell a PS3, they?ll know that they have a user at a set level. The game will be compatible and look just as glorious as it will on anyone elses console. PC ? multiple render paths, games coded for the lowest common denominator.. It?s a crap shot.

It IS a crap shoot. But its one I'm personally willing to live with.

The next year or two will be (to quote a few of you fools) ?0wn3d? by the PS3.. No contest.

Perhaps, perhaps not. Personally I'm not going to sell my gear off more than a year before the "PC Killer" even hits the market. More than likely I'll buy a PS3 just for the handful of titles in it that actually interest me, but give up my PC? No way. No how. Never. Just a difference of opinion there I guess. At any rate, if the PS3 were actually release by spring 2006, I feel that the available PC hardware will outpace it relatively quickly and we will be back to the status quo. As far as the PC games go however, we can only hope that the number of quality titles will begin to rise. At this point I'm willing to settle for the handful of great games that trickle out each year and continue to hope that new technologies and ideas will re-invigorate the somewhat stale PC game climate we are currently experiencing. I guess that makes me an optomist but there are my own feelings for whatever they're worth.

Best of luck with your decision, though I certainly hope you'll come to your senses and keep that sweet machine on your desktop.



 

SkyBum

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Originally posted by: Actaeon
cliff notes?


CLIFF NOTES:

1 - I called the guy a moron.
2 - I started to feel like an ass for calling him a moron after he made some intelligent remarks.
3 - I explained in detail where I disagree and why.
4 - yadda yadda yadda

 

Chaotic42

Lifer
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Originally posted by: SkyBum
The market has tanked itself. It may recover and it may not but let's face it, everyone going out and upgrading their rigs to high end machines will not change anything. We will still have the larger problem of rushed, poorly developed games saturating the market and that, in my opinion is the reason for the declining state of PC gaming.

I agree. Games have gotten so bad lately, it's a joke. Back in the early days, you had to get it right the first time because you couldn't send out patches to everyone who bought your game. Now developers release half-finished games to meet deadlines and then patch them to near completion later.

I haven't met a game yet that my system can't run. Then again, I don't think there's a system out there that could run some of the games I play at my Windows resolution. HL2 at 1920x1440 and full AA? I'm skeptical that any computer out there could do it.

There are also some games that I hate playing on consoles. FPS games, for one. Simulation or strategy games? Forget it. Consoles are for racing games and third-person jumping around games.
 
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