You have KILLED PC Gaming

[giz02]

Originally posted by: Googer
OPENING RANT


This controller beats the one you described HANDS DOWN.

http://www.gtcockpit.com/

LOL No it doesn't. THAT IS the controller I was describing... Look, it's the Logitech GT 900 Degree wheel mounted on that frame.

And nothing prevents either of those from being hooked up to either a PC or a PS3 anyways

 

[giz02]

Originally posted by: SkyBum

Originally posted by: giz02
Money can no longer buy gaming bliss on the PC's, and that's a shame...

Recognize this fact giz02, you will never curb your urge for your next "gaming fix

I can't agree with you here. For be, gaming bliss was knowing that this was th ebest possible for that time on a given platform. I can always remeber a time when games pushed technology to the max. It's not happening here anymore however. The only game that really gives my system headaches is LOMAC, and I'm guessing that's a CPU weakness.

But back to bliss, I can remeber several:
Jumpman, Load Runner, Space Taxi
Summer Games I/II, Winter Games, World Games
The original Prince of Persia (phenomnial animation on the 64)
[just realizes he could go on forever.. maybe a new thread ]

But ya, right now my point is, it's what everyone was whining about (well not everyone, but may gamers i speak with):
"We don't have the hardware.." "This is the best the hardware can do"
Now the hardware designers have built it (based on the build it they will come) and not many people came...

There was traditionally a chicken/egg catch in the PC world... We'll make the game, but there is no hardware, we'll make the hardware but there are no games to support it. I think there was a standstill for a while and the hardware guys took the plunge (can you tell what industry I work in?)

The door opened, but nobody walked through, so the sw guys are still waiting.

That scenario doesn't exist in the console world because the hardware is set, and I wonder if the PC hardware teams will contiune to make a$$kickers (G70's R520's - R600's) at the pace they have been for the past year year.5, or if they will focus on the console segment.

 

[Matthias99]

There was traditionally a chicken/egg catch in the PC world... We'll make the game, but there is no hardware, we'll make the hardware but there are no games to support it. I think there was a standstill for a while and the hardware guys took the plunge (can you tell what industry I work in?)

The door opened, but nobody walked through, so the sw guys are still waiting.

Uh, because the "hardware" you're talking about costs way too much for the average gamer. I mean, sure, $800+ SLI solutions are fast, but think realistically for a minute here. An $800 graphics solution is never going to be mainstream. Not when you can get an entire computer for half that.

That scenario doesn't exist in the console world because the hardware is set, and I wonder if the PC hardware teams will contiune to make a$$kickers (G70's R520's - R600's) at the pace they have been for the past year year.5, or if they will focus on the console segment.

I suspect that the R&D on the new consoles by ATI and NVIDIA will result in a new generation of even faster PC graphics cards. The XBox GPU is supposedly going to be the basis for the PC R6XX, and G70 (a variant of which is powering the PS3) will be coming to the PC as well.

But I think the basic problem is that you're really, really focused on graphics. Like, to an unhealthy degree. Even if everybody owned an FX-55 and 6800U SLI -- what would be different? You'd have a prettier version of Doom3 with 200% more shadows? Sorry, but the PC gaming industry needs something to get it out of the rut it's in and get people interested in the games again if they want to see the kind of success they had in the past. Shinier graphics are not going to cut it anymore; the next-gen game consoles are going to be very competitive on that front, at least for the next year or two. It's telling that people are still playing Counter-Strike.

IMO, the last really innovative development in PC gaming was the MMORPG (and even that, to some extent, was just a graphically improved version of a MUD). And mostly what we've seen since then are Everquest knockoffs with better graphics and a different setting. There have been a few attempts to do different things -- WW2 Online looked very promising but was buggy and never really took off; Planetside is an interesting game, but I found it very, very tough to get into as a beginner (since it's all PVP, and thus high-level characters are hugely more effective). HL2 and FarCry were good games, but not revolutionary (HL2 was a big step forwards graphically, and the use of physics was neat, but at the core it's still just an FPS). Doom3 looks real pretty, but plays like crap and needs a very high-end video card to show it off properly. There are some promising titles on the horizon (FEAR and STALKER come to mind), but they all seem to be getting pushed back.

 

[juktar]

Originally posted by: giz02

Originally posted by: Azsen
Is Half Life 2, Far Cry or Doom 3 not good enough for you? These games look fantastic at high detail with full AA and AF. I don't know what you're on about. Then we've got Battlefield 2 due in June, that will be impressive as well.

PS3 is a good year away yet.

Those were great... I MEAN GREAT titles. but it seems the hit parade has hit a standstill.

I'd like to comment on those games. (and yes I play all of them at 16x12 4xaa,16xaf) [ok occasionally 1280x1024 just to keep the frames over 60 on certain levels..]

Doom3 really didn't start blowing me away untill the Hell Levels. At that point, I felt immersed FULLY! The stones looked better than hand drawn. They looked like clay (remember claymation?) like it really looked 3d.

Far Cry blew me away, the WHOLE GAME looked like it was 'clay'

Halflife 2's textures were sharper than both to the other games (imo) and at times also felt clay.. Like i was manipulating a 3d object, not a 2d rendition of a 3d scene.

BUT those games are from a Pre Nexgen console world, and if they represent the pinacle of current 3d gaming, with nothing (save UT2007/BF2) on the horizon, then that's it. Look at the flood of titles for the Nextgens that (look to) provide the same level of immersion...

EQ2 on High Graphics settings. Enough said. And that game has been out for 6 months.

I would like to see an xbox 360 or a PS3 do that. PCs today can't even do that at a playable framerate. The highest graphics were built for something that did not exist outside lab environments. You can't make a game like that for the Xbox.

 

[Robor]

Pffft! My XBox is sitting on the counter all wrapped up and ready to go to whoever buys it on Ebay and the only thing I regret is I should've done it long ago. After finishing Halo I tried a few more games but nothing worthwhile. I always went back to my PC for gaming. Why? Because the controllers suck compared to a KB/mouse combo and the graphics are average at best (low resolution and jaggies).

Sure the next generation consoles will be sweet once they release but not long after PC's will catch and surpass them - again.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: giz02
If you don?t have time for rants, skip this post.

PC Gaming is over, and it?s YOUR fault. Yes YOU all you lame ass ?l33t? ?the PC is the best gaming platform? ?my wallet is lost with my balls? fools who talk the talk but lack the walk have ruined it!

You may think that I am konsole kid, but you are sadly mistaken. I run 10.5?s and 23?s (05/03) on an air cooled o/c?d FX55/6800GT sli rig. I?ve spent dollar after dollar on my rig, in hopes that one day, someone would make a game that would blow me away, but unfortunately, because I represent about 3% of the PC gaming segment, developers have left me to rot!

All of you clowns who have been playing ?double-dutch? ([Edit] (NOT) having the balls to [know when to] jump in to the PC game), the majority of the users here running XP1600?s (or any XP for that matter) and Radeon 9800?s (or anything less than a X800pro/6800GT) have really tanked the PC market.

I don?t blame the developers really. That is why the PC games suck now, there is no market out there to spend the money to make a good game, and even if they did spend the production costs/time to make a really great game, only 3% of the users out there would be able to appreciate it.

The PS3 has finished us off. (and if you haven?t seen the videos, I suggest you take a look!) At least I can sell my equipment to you before it becomes worthless. I?ve never seen graphics and action like that, but I bet we all could have.

I was SERIOUSLLY considering dual/quadcore and quad gpu PC hardware, but what is the use. I?ll be sitting there with a monster rig (like I am now), with nothing to play on it.

Some people would contest that the controls are better on the PC, the online gaming is better, the resolution is better, etc etc.

Here?s how things rank up right now (imo)
Controls ? PS3 has blue tooth integrated. Many people have posted why 7 devices (lol) why an odd number of controllers? Well there can be 8 devices on a BT device, and not all of them will be gamepads. The sky is the limit now with controlling the PS3. This cell in my pocket could be a controller now, and the BEST wheel available at a consumer level is the Logitech Driving Force Pro 900 (a PS2 wheel).

Online gaming ? Many ppl hate xb/live because of it?s fees, however they pay monthly to WoW/SWG/Matrix online, etc etc. What makes more sense, one fee (ring) to rule them all, or fees coming from every angle?

Resolution ? Just saw a demo of a PS3 powering two HDtv?s at 3840x1200.. Next?.

Sound ? Industry (and I mean the complete entertainment industry) standard DTS/Dolby 5.1? PC.. Proprietary unrefined sound schemes

Every time they sell a PS3, they?ll know that they have a user at a set level. The game will be compatible and look just as glorious as it will on anyone elses console. PC ? multiple render paths, games coded for the lowest common denominator.. It?s a crap shot.

The next year or two will be (to quote a few of you fools) ?0wn3d? by the PS3.. No contest.

You guys want some good hardware, check my auction for 2xBFG 6800 GT?s, 680Watt Thermal Take PS, DFI-SLIDR MB, 2xPC4000 DDR DC ram (Ultra? ya, that was my Achilles, but it didn?t seem to matter), Lian Li case, Zalman 7700 CPU Fan, Zalman 700GPU Fan (top GPU cause a friggin NV5 wouldn?t fit there!!!), Arctic NV5 Silencer ((bottom GPU), Lian Li case. I?m buyin a cheap as laptop and waiting for the second (or 4th for the PC world) coming.

This sh1t is done!

sad

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: Robor
Pffft! My XBox is sitting on the counter all wrapped up and ready to go to whoever buys it on Ebay and the only thing I regret is I should've done it long ago. After finishing Halo I tried a few more games but nothing worthwhile. I always went back to my PC for gaming. Why? Because the controllers suck compared to a KB/mouse combo and the graphics are average at best (low resolution and jaggies).

Sure the next generation consoles will be sweet once they release but not long after PC's will catch and surpass them - again.

I for one expect that PS3 & Xbox (if they want to supplant PC) will incorporate a keyboard & mouse addon (USB or blue tooth for PS3).

If they would only do that they could damage the PC as a gaming platform... surf on your xbox / ps3 & game fps / strategy / rpg.

 

[VIAN]

1500 bucks is my price point - live with it.

 

[meltdown75]

PC gaming is fine in my corner of the universe.

I simply wait until the right hardware drops enough in price for me to afford it, and concentrate on 'critical gaming upgrades' such as my last upgrade, which was from a Duron 900 to an XP 2800 @ 2.17ghz.

My Duron played bf1942 fine on medium / high settings with a crappy GeForce 2 MX-400. My most recent build plays HL2 fine on medium / high settings with a crappy but attractively priced Radeon 9600 pro.

If you don't mind not being on the cutting, bleeding edge of PC gaming (this may mean playing games that are 1-2 years old *gasp* but 'new to you') - then everything is fine. Who has time to play every new PC game that is released anyway? By the time you get around to buying one that you have your eyes on, several others have slipped past your radar and you have to backtrack and try them out.

I'm a fully satisfied PC gamer. My plate is full and with a setup that most avid PC gamers would consider mediocre and 2002ish, there are so many gaming options available to me that I can't even see the horizon!

PC gaming will never die. It has been said over and over again for years and with the release of each new console comes another round of naysayers and doomsday prophesizing. The struggle b/n consoles & PCs is a necessary one and I think each side benefits from it.

I :heart: my PC.

 

[Abix]

Originally posted by: SkyBum
I didn't realize you were such a moron.....

.....until you opened your mouth.

Quoted for truth.

 

[AEvangel]

I stopped reading after page 4, but did anyone stop to think where consoles games and for that matter the consoles themselves are created???

I believe it's done on computers....albeit workstations, but computers none the less.

As long as their are computers their will be computer games...

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Tostada

Originally posted by: Googer
OPENING RANT

This controller beats the one you described HANDS DOWN.

http://www.gtcockpit.com/

WTF are you talking about? All you linked was a cockpit for the Logitech Driving Force Pro, and you're saying that it's better than the Logitech Driving Force Pro. That makes a lot of sense.

And thanks for quoting a 4-page post that everyone already saw.

No, I meant that the kit as a whole (including the controller) beats the controller alone strapped to a table. You could replace it with another if you liked.

 

[exdeath]

nVidia has already stated that even though the PS3 chip is better than the 6800 today, they will already have better and more powerful graphcis cards for the PC before the PS3 even comes out...

The whole marketing ploy with consoles is to paper launch the system 5 years in advance with incredible specs and demos to wow everybody, knowing full and well that in the 5 years it comes out, it will no longer be anything special.

It would be like nvidia paper launching the 6800 Ultra back when the Radeon 9700 was the best card, knowing full the technology wouldnt be feasible till late 2004 when it would be EXPECTED to have that kind of power. You just need to be aware of these advance paper launch tactics and understand the marketing behind consoles. They always SEEM more powerful than a PC just because they are paper launched WELL ahead of their time.

The 7800 GTX is already said by nVidia to 'pwn' the RSX, then there is SLI.

PC gaming is NOT dead.

I do however as a programmer appreciate the more generalized PC like open architecture of this generation of consoles. The unified shader pipeline of the X360 GPU seems interesting, as does the Cell. A far cry from the days of proprietary hardware like the SNES PPU and SPC700! From the little I've played with reverse engineering on the Gamecube, the PPC instruction set, as akward as it is at first, is kinda fun!

 

[trikster2]

I do all the gaming on the 6800 in my laptop.

Sorry to hold you back with my slow graphics performance that works great on everything I have thrown at it.

Where is the PS3 laptop that is gonna blow me away and wish I never brought a PC?????????

Where is the PS3 laptop that will let me finish my masters, pay my bills and process my photoes/videos all while I am on the road making a living in between playing games?

consoolze are for kidz drooling in front of the TV; go away and come back after you grow up......

 

[KoolDrew]

Originally posted by: nick1985
hi. go away.

 

[revnja]

*why even try*

 

[Banana]

I see .. .

Clever ad for the hardware you're selling!

 

[duckdown]

1/10

 

[thelastmccabe]

You know, at first I was very frightened by this post, but I feel a little better now that I've read some of the thread. It did inspire me to find something useful to do with my computer besides buying more junk to plug into it though. I would say that one big point for the original poster is pretty simple....go into media play or best buy or wherever you buy games, and the pc section is so small!! Not just because they went to smaller boxes either. I can remember when there were stores that sold only pc games, and there were so many in media play they had them set up by category in 3 or 4 big aisles. Where I live, there are no stores that sell only pc games like they used to, all of them now sell mainly console stuff along with a shelf or two with pc games on them. Now there's like one aisle of games in best buy or whatever big chain i do in to, and half the games are gold versions or old ones.

Most people I know who play pc games just buy some expensive gaming system from dell. They don't want to open it or deal with anything more complicated than downloading new drivers, and when they bring out the xbox and ps3, if they have good strategy games and keyboard controls, I doubt they will spend 2k on a computer again after that, since it'll do everything a comp can do.

Another thing I just remembered is that there used to be tons of games you could only play on pc. I guess that's still the case now, but it has definitely been less and less so as time has gone on, and I bet it will basically disappear fairly soon. I mean, if you made games, you would make them to work on the consoles first and foremost and then add in pc support, because otherwise they're not going to make any money. I mean, you could make games for pc's with tons of different hardware you have to deal with, requiring all sorts of customer, tech support, driver x or y doesn't work, you have to fix it yada yada yada...and testing to get everything ironed out--and fewer people will buy your game. It costs more to make and you can sell less??? Nobody wants to do that, especially if these new consoles add all important keyboards. Then you make a game where you optimize it for one or two (ps3 and xbox) baseline hardware systems, it's easy to test, and there's no tech support or need to make patches b/c you can't fix it if it doesn't work anyway.

Before these, pc's were better b/c the screen res's were so much better (this one is huge), you had keyboard and mouse control, you had online games, and you had hard drives and saved games. These new consoles are a bigger leap than ever the old ones because they will have keyboards and mice presumably, as well as built in surround sound support, support on hd, online gaming, hard drives. This effectively eliminates all those huge advantages pcs have always had, where you could say, "but you can't play online" or "yeah but it looks like crap on the tv" or "yeah but i can hear enemies behind me" or "what's with all those freaking memory cards?" The old systems would leap ahead graphically, but never eliminate those factors. You won't be able to play with them like pc's....well, actually, you probably will be able to play with them like you can with xboxs (or so i hear). But even if you can't, 90 percent of the gamers in the world just want to play the game, not to be able to play with the machine that makes the games work, which is the only advantage left to pcs.

Just look at bungie (I believe that's who made halo). They started out making only mac games, like marathon. Then they made myth 1 2 and 3 for mac and pc (much to the chagrin of mac owners). Then they made halo for console, with the port to pc like a year later. That is the pattern that is going to be repeated everywhere. What about blizzard, isn't the starcraft commando game being designed for console? Sure eventually there'll be a port, but is blizz even working on anything else? The sims 3 will be made for console as well I imagine.

Plus on consoles you don't have to do so much troubleshooting. Tweaking the system is fun, but getting a new game and then figuring out why it won't run the way you want for an hour as you tweak each setting, download patch, make sure drivers are updated, make sure no software conflict, reinstall windows, buy a new hard drive, buy a new video card--ok maybe not the last ones. Oh and games take like 30 minutes to install now, what's up with that? If you want to play half life 2 on a fresh os you sit there and wait while changing cds and then when you're done you have to wait for it to decode the game??? Just putting a disk in and playing is pretty nice.

You know, now that I thought it through, I'm more afraid than ever. It may be more cost efficient to have a computer if you turn it into an htpc system and hook everything up to it. But even this, maybe not. The experience I had last night is similar to this whole discussion:

Experimenting with using my pc as a dvd player in lieu of getting a nicer one for my plasma tv or an upconverting one. Search around, read lots of posts, get ffdshow and finally realize I'll need to get zoomplayer, which I didn't realize had a trial version that would work. Dvd's don't play oh yay! Spend a long time finding codecs that are free and also will work. Ok get dvd playing and am able to tweak it with ffdshow, even though it's damn near impossible how to know what to do since it's free and therefore has no decent documentation or help of any kind whatsoever. Figure I'm ready to try it on my plasma spend a whole lot more time figuring out how to set up the resolutions and stuff on my comp to ensure it will work on the plasma and not harm it, waste a buncha time on this. When I do it, the screen doesn't even fit right, but I try the dvd anyway, can't figure out how I'm going to make the res's work right but skip that and play with ffdshow, it works but is making the imagine too shrunken, but the regular dvd software doesn't. Image improving some but not full screen, gamma is off and adjusting is difficult...........

And here is where I say to myself, because I don't really care about video editing (or burn dvds), why the hell am i doing all this? This is a gigantic pain in the ass! I can just buy an upconverting dvd player from best buy for 175 bucks, and if I don't like it I'll return it within 30 days and get all my money back or store credit or whatever. I can basically rent it. It will work right out of the box, it won't need codecs, and it will play any dvd I put into it. I can watch any dvd we have tonight upconverted right when I get home from the store and test it just like that. If it doesn't work I'll just mess with some settings or adjust the picture a bit and it will. It will do everything ffdshow will do 10 times easier (unless I learned how to use ffdshow really well...and even then it requires you to have a 1800 dollar computer as well!).

This is the attitude of almost everyone out there, besides people on forums like this, when it comes to games and consoles, and once you take away those advantages of pcs I mentioned....it may well be over.

 

[DrMrLordX]

OP is ignorant. He ignores the hordes of fanatical Korean teens and adults plugging away at games with which he may not even be familiar, and he fails to take his own bias and jaded outlook on PC gaming into consideration. Games you may see as dull or boring may please the hell out of some 14-year-old American, and may be a digital opiate for a gamer in a foreign market.

The hardware being used by PC gamers is largely irrelevant, and one could reasonably argue that continued proliferation of new hardware complicates development by forcing developers to adapt to new standards on a regular basis. One of the reasons why developing for consoles is often seen as being more desirable than developing for PCs is that, typically, the hardware specs for a given console platform are fixed. They do not change.

If anything is hurting the quality of PC games, it's developers, and the costs associated with development. I would also point out that, in my ever-so-arrogant opinion, the vast majority of console games, for every major platform, suck. I can barely think of any console games I really want to play right now. Someday, I'll get around to playing FFX, if I can be bothered.

In conclusion, the fact that people can save money by camping on "old" hardware is not hurting PC gaming, and merely because you can no longer derive pleasure from the current crop of PC games is no indicator of their quality. PC gaming is booming right now, especially in bandwidth-laden foreign markets.

Also, as a side note, dragging out some game with a poorly-coded graphics engine or graphics features, such as Chronicles of Riddick's SM2.0++ mode, and waving it around as an example of something that will "put your machine to shame" is moronic. I'll bet some modern machines would *still* choke on Ultima IX. Why? Because Ultima IX was a poorly-coded pile of crap. I can also find fault with the PC version of KOTOR(mostly on Dantooine) and Rome: Total War(unacceptably low framerates in some city environments). I'm sure there are plenty of other titles out there that run poorly on strong hardware due to lousy code.

 

[teamride]

dude someone take giz02 out back and shoot him

 

[Lorn]

Originally posted by: giz02
If you don?t have time for rants, skip this post.

PC Gaming is over, and it?s YOUR fault. Yes YOU all you lame ass ?l33t? ?the PC is the best gaming platform? ?my wallet is lost with my balls? fools who talk the talk but lack the walk have ruined it!

You may think that I am konsole kid, but you are sadly mistaken. I run 10.5?s and 23?s (05/03) on an air cooled o/c?d FX55/6800GT sli rig. I?ve spent dollar after dollar on my rig, in hopes that one day, someone would make a game that would blow me away, but unfortunately, because I represent about 3% of the PC gaming segment, developers have left me to rot!

All of you clowns who have been playing ?double-dutch? ([Edit] (NOT) having the balls to [know when to] jump in to the PC game), the majority of the users here running XP1600?s (or any XP for that matter) and Radeon 9800?s (or anything less than a X800pro/6800GT) have really tanked the PC market.

I don?t blame the developers really. That is why the PC games suck now, there is no market out there to spend the money to make a good game, and even if they did spend the production costs/time to make a really great game, only 3% of the users out there would be able to appreciate it.

The PS3 has finished us off. (and if you haven?t seen the videos, I suggest you take a look!) At least I can sell my equipment to you before it becomes worthless. I?ve never seen graphics and action like that, but I bet we all could have.

I was SERIOUSLLY considering dual/quadcore and quad gpu PC hardware, but what is the use. I?ll be sitting there with a monster rig (like I am now), with nothing to play on it.

Some people would contest that the controls are better on the PC, the online gaming is better, the resolution is better, etc etc.

Here?s how things rank up right now (imo)
Controls ? PS3 has blue tooth integrated. Many people have posted why 7 devices (lol) why an odd number of controllers? Well there can be 8 devices on a BT device, and not all of them will be gamepads. The sky is the limit now with controlling the PS3. This cell in my pocket could be a controller now, and the BEST wheel available at a consumer level is the Logitech Driving Force Pro 900 (a PS2 wheel).

Online gaming ? Many ppl hate xb/live because of it?s fees, however they pay monthly to WoW/SWG/Matrix online, etc etc. What makes more sense, one fee (ring) to rule them all, or fees coming from every angle?

Resolution ? Just saw a demo of a PS3 powering two HDtv?s at 3840x1200.. Next?.

Sound ? Industry (and I mean the complete entertainment industry) standard DTS/Dolby 5.1? PC.. Proprietary unrefined sound schemes

Every time they sell a PS3, they?ll know that they have a user at a set level. The game will be compatible and look just as glorious as it will on anyone elses console. PC ? multiple render paths, games coded for the lowest common denominator.. It?s a crap shot.

The next year or two will be (to quote a few of you fools) ?0wn3d? by the PS3.. No contest.

You guys want some good hardware, check my auction for 2xBFG 6800 GT?s, 680Watt Thermal Take PS, DFI-SLIDR MB, 2xPC4000 DDR DC ram (Ultra? ya, that was my Achilles, but it didn?t seem to matter), Lian Li case, Zalman 7700 CPU Fan, Zalman 700GPU Fan (top GPU cause a friggin NV5 wouldn?t fit there!!!), Arctic NV5 Silencer ((bottom GPU), Lian Li case. I?m buyin a cheap as laptop and waiting for the second (or 4th for the PC world) coming.

This sh1t is done!

This is the dumbest sh-t I've read on this board so far.

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: giz02
If you don?t have time for rants, skip this post.

PC Gaming is over, and it?s YOUR fault. Yes YOU all you lame ass ?l33t? ?the PC is the best gaming platform? ?my wallet is lost with my balls? fools who talk the talk but lack the walk have ruined it!

You may think that I am konsole kid, but you are sadly mistaken. I run 10.5?s and 23?s (05/03) on an air cooled o/c?d FX55/6800GT sli rig. I?ve spent dollar after dollar on my rig, in hopes that one day, someone would make a game that would blow me away, but unfortunately, because I represent about 3% of the PC gaming segment, developers have left me to rot!

All of you clowns who have been playing ?double-dutch? ([Edit] (NOT) having the balls to [know when to] jump in to the PC game), the majority of the users here running XP1600?s (or any XP for that matter) and Radeon 9800?s (or anything less than a X800pro/6800GT) have really tanked the PC market.

I don?t blame the developers really. That is why the PC games suck now, there is no market out there to spend the money to make a good game, and even if they did spend the production costs/time to make a really great game, only 3% of the users out there would be able to appreciate it.

The PS3 has finished us off. (and if you haven?t seen the videos, I suggest you take a look!) At least I can sell my equipment to you before it becomes worthless. I?ve never seen graphics and action like that, but I bet we all could have.

I was SERIOUSLLY considering dual/quadcore and quad gpu PC hardware, but what is the use. I?ll be sitting there with a monster rig (like I am now), with nothing to play on it.

Some people would contest that the controls are better on the PC, the online gaming is better, the resolution is better, etc etc.

Here?s how things rank up right now (imo)
Controls ? PS3 has blue tooth integrated. Many people have posted why 7 devices (lol) why an odd number of controllers? Well there can be 8 devices on a BT device, and not all of them will be gamepads. The sky is the limit now with controlling the PS3. This cell in my pocket could be a controller now, and the BEST wheel available at a consumer level is the Logitech Driving Force Pro 900 (a PS2 wheel).

Online gaming ? Many ppl hate xb/live because of it?s fees, however they pay monthly to WoW/SWG/Matrix online, etc etc. What makes more sense, one fee (ring) to rule them all, or fees coming from every angle?

Resolution ? Just saw a demo of a PS3 powering two HDtv?s at 3840x1200.. Next?.

Sound ? Industry (and I mean the complete entertainment industry) standard DTS/Dolby 5.1? PC.. Proprietary unrefined sound schemes

Every time they sell a PS3, they?ll know that they have a user at a set level. The game will be compatible and look just as glorious as it will on anyone elses console. PC ? multiple render paths, games coded for the lowest common denominator.. It?s a crap shot.

The next year or two will be (to quote a few of you fools) ?0wn3d? by the PS3.. No contest.

You guys want some good hardware, check my auction for 2xBFG 6800 GT?s, 680Watt Thermal Take PS, DFI-SLIDR MB, 2xPC4000 DDR DC ram (Ultra? ya, that was my Achilles, but it didn?t seem to matter), Lian Li case, Zalman 7700 CPU Fan, Zalman 700GPU Fan (top GPU cause a friggin NV5 wouldn?t fit there!!!), Arctic NV5 Silencer ((bottom GPU), Lian Li case. I?m buyin a cheap as laptop and waiting for the second (or 4th for the PC world) coming.

This sh1t is done!

I'll give you $20 for that worthless FX-55, and $5 each for the video cards.
I didn't read the whole thread, but in case someone else didn't say it, don't blame us because you spent to much on hardware that you had no use for.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

MMMM Autocad, Photoshop, Office, games, server, network for family, music creation, Lightwave, game development, programming, a million different software apps, Yes the PC is dead, LOL.

Aren't these consoles 6 months to a year away? Aren't the next generation graphics cards going to be on the PC before the consoles? Let us wait before pronouncing ourselves (our PC epenis's) deflated

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: giz02

Originally posted by: SkyBum

Originally posted by: giz02
LOL Talk about makin a while speculation for the future

Actually it wasn't speculation. Anandtech reported early in October that the nForce 4 boards would be shipping within a couple of weeks and that the SLI versions would follow sometime later. In reality we didnt see the first nForce 4 board until early in December which as we all know turned out to be the SLI model. What was your point?

My point is that there is a good possibility that you may not know what you are talking about.

Lmao, says the guy whos ranting about consoles killing off the PC market... When all its really going to do is accelerate multithreaded gaming to desktops.