You have lots of experience and your pay reflects it...

[brainhulk]

Company hires noobs at way below your pay rate and tasks you to train them. How would you approach the training?

 

[lxskllr]

What do you mean? You try to get them up to speed, and craft the training to the person. Some people are unteachable though. Then it's time to get rid of them, or place them where they can do little damage.

 

[Albatross]

If I`m that good I teach them all I know,but this is without context.Is the boss trying to replace me,are the new workers imbeciles,is finding work in my field hard,etc.

 

[1sikbITCH]

If I`m that good I teach them all I know,but this is without context.Is the boss trying to replace me,are the new workers imbeciles,is finding work in my field hard,etc.

A common practice is for you to train the noobs, then you get fired, and they get your job at 1/3 salary. Out to pasture with ya. So if you work in that kind of place, that's the context. I will need to worry about this in my current position but luckily I'm not old enough (or well paid enough bastards) to start worrying yet.

 

[God Mode]

Sounds like the kind of place where they'll dump you.

 

[Rakehellion]

What do you mean? You try to get them up to speed, and craft the training to the person. Some people are unteachable though. Then it's time to get rid of them, or place them where they can do little damage.

This, pretty much. You can't explain nuclear physics to a 4-year-old.

 

[HeXen]

A common practice is for you to train the noobs, then you get fired, and they get your job at 1/3 salary. Out to pasture with ya. So if you work in that kind of place, that's the context. I will need to worry about this in my current position but luckily I'm not old enough (or well paid enough bastards) to start worrying yet.

Then in that situation, it would probably be wise to either move on or be willing to match your salary to a noobs. That's life but if everyone always kept their experience to themselves, where would that leave our future as a society?

 

[Rakehellion]

A common practice is for you to train the noobs, then you get fired, and they get your job at 1/3 salary. Out to pasture with ya. So if you work in that kind of place, that's the context. I will need to worry about this in my current position but luckily I'm not old enough (or well paid enough bastards) to start worrying yet.

If a fresh-faced noob can do your job then you're overqualified and overpaid and should be fired.

 

[nageov3t]

teach them enough that it doesn't reflect badly on me, but not so much that they don't need to come to me for help on more advanced issues.

 

[lxskllr]

If a fresh-faced noob can do your job then you're overqualified and overpaid and should be fired.

That's how I see it. It would literally take years to teach someone all the tricks I knew about surveying. It might be doable to get a n00b functional, but nothing replaces experience for optimizing processes, and reducing mistakes.

 

[1sikbITCH]

If a fresh-faced noob can do your job then you're overqualified and overpaid and should be fired.

So you should change positions every 6 months? If you can't do your job after 6 months of training you're overpaid and should be fired.

Edit- After I thought about what you said I realize that I've had an assistant for almost a year now that I've been training and there's no way in hell she can do my job. I just left for vacation and she was almost in tears. You're right.
First rule of vacation is forget about work

 

[1sikbITCH]

That's how I see it. It would literally take years to teach someone all the tricks I knew about surveying. It might be doable to get a n00b functional, but nothing replaces experience for optimizing processes, and reducing mistakes.

You know about the tricks. The bean counters at corporate only know how to count the money. Sometimes companies are just assholes.

 

[nageov3t]

That's how I see it. It would literally take years to teach someone all the tricks I knew about surveying. It might be doable to get a n00b functional, but nothing replaces experience for optimizing processes, and reducing mistakes.

I'd guess a lot of it depends on the position/job.

when I started my current job, I had no experience whatsoever... the guy who was supposed to train me straight up said something to the effect of "I believe knowledge is power and I don't give it away." so in the course of training, he made me learn everything the hard way -- instead of suggesting a course of action for issues, he just gave me the numbers for vendor support contacts so I could sit on hold for hours and work through it all from scratch.

on the other hand, if I was training someone today, I could save years off their life by pointing them to all the documentation I've already written up and on a functional level, they'd very quickly catch up to me.

 

[God Mode]

I don't think nor would I ever expect my employees to train a new person. You either come with the knowledge to start and work the bare minimum and improve as time goes by or you never get hired from the start. Anything else is insulting and manipulative to everyone involved.

 

[Triumph]

I don't think nor would I ever expect my employees to train a new person. You either come with the knowledge to start and work the bare minimum and improve as time goes by or you never get hired from the start. Anything else is insulting and manipulative to everyone involved.

All jobs require some amount of training. Who is going to do it? The management?

 

[Jeff7]

If a fresh-faced noob can do your job then you're overqualified and overpaid and should be fired.

That's how I see it. It would literally take years to teach someone all the tricks I knew about surveying. It might be doable to get a n00b functional, but nothing replaces experience for optimizing processes, and reducing mistakes.

You know about the tricks. The bean counters at corporate only know how to count the money. Sometimes companies are just assholes.

"What do our biochemists do anyway?"
"I don't know, I always just see them looking at glasses of colored water, and talking about microscopic things. So this new person has to be ready to do that by now, and we can start saving 40% of the current one's salary."


Experience doesn't show up directly in the accounting sheets, so the elevated pay can be seen as little more than an unnecessary expense.

 

[Leros]

I don't think nor would I ever expect my employees to train a new person. You either come with the knowledge to start and work the bare minimum and improve as time goes by or you never get hired from the start. Anything else is insulting and manipulative to everyone involved.

Every company has their own details and processes. Everybody needs training, even a very experienced new hire.

 

[nageov3t]

All jobs require some amount of training. Who is going to do it? The management?

yeah... no matter how much of a guru a new hire is with code or whatever software he's hired to work with, I'd rather spend a week training him on the various internal processes, work flow, prioritization, and all that rather than letting him make mistakes and waste time.

 

[darkxshade]

I would argue that it would be almost impossible to teach a new hire everything. Some experiences can only be acquired from the job over time. If the job is as simple as following a procedure, then I had already created a folder in the shared drive that contain those step by step instructions. I can't teach a new hire how I would approach certain situations... some things happen so rarely that during training, I wouldn't even realize I should preparing them for it. If my bosses think I can show someone in a month or two everything I know and acquired over several years, then they are just being unrealistic and it's not for my lack of trying.

 

[HeXen]

Even if a boss wanted to replace an experienced guy for a noob just to save money, that boss is an idiot for not considering the fact that many noobs may not stay as many young adults are going through many changes in life and job offers perhaps. Get rid of all your longtime loyal staff and you take some huge risks if the new guys up and decide to quit leaving you with no experienced help.

 

[rh71]

sadly... getting paid below market value = job security

 

[Lonyo]

If you are training them and they could eventually replace you, and you are afraid of your job because of that, you should change jobs on the basis that you don't appear to have any career prospects such as promotion.

One day you are going to be replaced, hopefully, so why would it bother you that they hire people to do the same job as you eventually? Are you planning to do the exact same job forever?

 

[Zodiark1593]

Company hires noobs at way below your pay rate and tasks you to train them. How would you approach the training?

Boss wants me to be teacher, I'll be the teacher then. My current boss is looking to make sure my department is filled with people of similar skill levels, so teaching the newer workers better achieves that and increases production.