You know whats REALLY irritating?

[meelk]

You are out of your mind. I didnt buy a $350 evga 7800gt with the expectation that it would have the *exact* same issues my 5900fx did years ago. This is far from a troll thread. Feel free to label it so in your mind if it makes you feel better. A troll wouldnt call for a lock on his own damn thread either.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: meelk
You are out of your mind. I didnt buy a $350 evga 7800gt with the expectation that it would have the *exact* same issues my 5900fx did years ago. This is far from a troll thread. Feel free to label it so in your mind if it makes you feel better. A troll wouldnt call for a lock on his own damn thread either.

Why won't you list your system specs? Game you're playing? Settings used? When it would benefit people in here to know such things? Alas, is does not matter now because you may easily just fabricate your juggernaut rig specs. As for calling a lock on your own thread, its just because it isn't going the way you had expected it to. So it makes sense to lock it now before you are totally discredited. Which in my opinion, has happened already in record time.

EDIT: /thread

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: meelk
instead of attacking everyone? this was a widely known issue around 4 or 5 years ago. Its stuns me that people cannot grasp that fact. Now, finding the correct stories and posts about it on the net from 5 years ago, theres the problem. This has been repeately detailed as an nvidia problem only, *just* like shimmering. I'm far from stupid. I've seen this exact same nvidia problem on 3 seperate systems now, that DO NOT hitch with ati product. If you want to "diagnose my problem" you might as well be on your merry little way, it wasnt what I asked for initially anyway.

You are going to need to provide links. I doubt you will find any of substance. I am guessing you seen it on three different systems because you probably built them all and left the hard drive in PIO mode or something like that...

You said in the last sentance that you didn't want help to diagnose the problem... I find that odd, because in your first post the last sentance was asking if there was a fix for this. In my opinion, finding the problem is the first step to fixing it... Is it backwards in your world?

 

[meelk]

Why would I bother listing my specs when I've already stated it has happened to me on 3 different machines now? 2 seperate cards. Happens to other people I know. The first step in problem solving would be eliminating all the variables which cannot contribute to the issue at hand. Given that this happens across a wide range of systems between myself and several other people the only common factor being nvidia hardware, it stands to reason that is the cause. When the nvidia card is replaced with ati product it DOES NOT happen. What is hard to understand about that?

here, just for shits and giggles and to make you shut up:
winxp, all current updates, sp2, X2 3800, amd xp driver, MS dual core fix, proper regedit. evga 7800gt, current drivers whatever they are (81.85?), uli dual sata 2 motherboard, gig of corsair value 2.5 2x512. this same system was running a 9800 pro just days ago which DID NOT HITCH.

btw, you talk a lot for a guy who matches a P4 up with a 7800gtx

 

[Gamingphreek]

Request this thread be locked by an admin.

What kind of an idiot asks for a lock on his own thread!?!?

meelk, just logoff and save the mods the trouble. This thread is a joke, you are a joke, and do not deserve to be posting here.

-Kevin

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: meelk
Why would I bother listing my specs when I've already stated it has happened to me on 3 different machines now? 2 seperate cards. Happens to other people I know. The first step in problem solving would be eliminating all the variables which cannot contribute to the issue at hand. Given that this happens across a wide range of systems between myself and several other people the only common factor being nvidia hardware, it stands to reason that is the cause. When the nvidia card is replaced with ati product it DOES NOT happen. What is hard to understand about that?

here, just for shits and giggles and to make you shut up:
winxp, all current updates, sp2, X2 3800, amd xp driver, MS dual core fix, proper regedit. evga 7800gt, current drivers whatever they are (81.85?), uli dual sata 2 motherboard, gig of corsair value 2.5 2x512. this same system was running a 9800 pro just days ago which DID NOT HITCH.

btw, you talk a lot for a guy who matches a P4 up with a 7800gtx

A P4 system with a 7800GTX that does not hitch.
I would return your 7800GT, and put your 9800pro back in. Don't forget to run Driver Cleaner or do a fresh OS install with all the up to date and proper drivers.
Or, you can wait until the X1800XL comes down a little more in price and pick one of those up. I'm sure its a great card.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: meelk
Why would I bother listing my specs when I've already stated it has happened to me on 3 different machines now? 2 seperate cards. Happens to other people I know. The first step in problem solving would be eliminating all the variables which cannot contribute to the issue at hand. Given that this happens across a wide range of systems between myself and several other people the only common factor being nvidia hardware, it stands to reason that is the cause. When the nvidia card is replaced with ati product it DOES NOT happen. What is hard to understand about that?

here, just for shits and giggles and to make you shut up:
winxp, all current updates, sp2, X2 3800, amd xp driver, MS dual core fix, proper regedit. evga 7800gt, current drivers whatever they are (81.85?), uli dual sata 2 motherboard, gig of corsair value 2.5 2x512. this same system was running a 9800 pro just days ago which DID NOT HITCH.

btw, you talk a lot for a guy who matches a P4 up with a 7800gtx

Again, you don't provide links, information or anything. You come here asking for a fix and then act like a know it all, that knows absolutely nothing, even the drivers on his own system!

There is your problem.... You probably installed nVidia drivers over the ATI 9800 Pro's and then didn't bother removing anything ATI related on startup and are now over the 1 GB of memory usage limit due to all the programs you have running in the background in addition to your game.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
nVidia GPUs can experience stuttering when paired with nForce chipsets. This a known problem.

More specifically 6800 series(6800,6800GT,6800Ultra) with NF3 chipsets and the 70 series drivers. The 60 and 80 series drivers for me have cleared this issue up.

And the problem was more than hitching but a complete stoppage for 3-10 seconds and then the computer resumed play. Very nasty little problem I may add.

 

[ZobarStyl]

Originally posted by: meelk
winxp, all current updates, sp2, X2 3800, amd xp driver, MS dual core fix, proper regedit. evga 7800gt, current drivers whatever they are (81.85?), uli dual sata 2 motherboard, gig of corsair value 2.5 2x512. this same system was running a 9800 pro just days ago which DID NOT HITCH.

1) Did you use Driver Cleaner between the 9800Pro and the 7800GT?

2) That's not exactly a top-of-the-line motherboard. Why stick a dual core processor and a 350 dollar GPU in a bargain basement mobo?

3) You might attribute your hitching to your lack of a hard drive. Those CD read times are slowing you down.

 

[meelk]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: meelk
Why would I bother listing my specs when I've already stated it has happened to me on 3 different machines now? 2 seperate cards. Happens to other people I know. The first step in problem solving would be eliminating all the variables which cannot contribute to the issue at hand. Given that this happens across a wide range of systems between myself and several other people the only common factor being nvidia hardware, it stands to reason that is the cause. When the nvidia card is replaced with ati product it DOES NOT happen. What is hard to understand about that?

here, just for shits and giggles and to make you shut up:
winxp, all current updates, sp2, X2 3800, amd xp driver, MS dual core fix, proper regedit. evga 7800gt, current drivers whatever they are (81.85?), uli dual sata 2 motherboard, gig of corsair value 2.5 2x512. this same system was running a 9800 pro just days ago which DID NOT HITCH.

btw, you talk a lot for a guy who matches a P4 up with a 7800gtx

Again, you don't provide links, information or anything. You come here asking for a fix and then act like a know it all, that knows absolutely nothing, even the drivers on his own system!

There is your problem.... You probably installed nVidia drivers over the ATI 9800 Pro's and then didn't bother removing anything ATI related on startup and are now over the 1 GB of memory usage limit due to all the programs you have running in the background in addition to your game.

actually no. I low level formatted and installed fresh, but nice try. I also know what driver cleaners are too champ. I'm also exceedingly limiting on what I allow to run at startup.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl

Originally posted by: meelk
winxp, all current updates, sp2, X2 3800, amd xp driver, MS dual core fix, proper regedit. evga 7800gt, current drivers whatever they are (81.85?), uli dual sata 2 motherboard, gig of corsair value 2.5 2x512. this same system was running a 9800 pro just days ago which DID NOT HITCH.

1) Did you use Driver Cleaner between the 9800Pro and the 7800GT?

2) That's not exactly a top-of-the-line motherboard. Why stick a dual core processor and a 350 dollar GPU in a bargain basement mobo?

3) You might attribute your hitching to your lack of a hard drive. Those CD read times are slowing you down.

I am pretty sure he mentioned he had a HD, I think it was a vinyl record player... 60 RPM's or so and about enough space to hold 30 minutes of music. Gonna say it is a 220 MB @ 60 RPM.

 

[meelk]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl

Originally posted by: meelk
winxp, all current updates, sp2, X2 3800, amd xp driver, MS dual core fix, proper regedit. evga 7800gt, current drivers whatever they are (81.85?), uli dual sata 2 motherboard, gig of corsair value 2.5 2x512. this same system was running a 9800 pro just days ago which DID NOT HITCH.

1) Did you use Driver Cleaner between the 9800Pro and the 7800GT?

2) That's not exactly a top-of-the-line motherboard. Why stick a dual core processor and a 350 dollar GPU in a bargain basement mobo?

3) You might attribute your hitching to your lack of a hard drive. Those CD read times are slowing you down.

1)low level format.
2)its not a bad motherboard whatsoever either. the only problem I've had with it is something other people are experiencing which another anandtech member cited to me. certain ram right now has to run at 2T, regardless of how many slots you're filling. I'm hoping a bios update will fix this. other than that it is incredibly stable and user friendly, altho, admitedly not as feature rich as other boards. Its main purpose was to allow me to use my 9800 pro with my dual core until I moved up to the 7800gt.
3)2 wd 8meg cache drives (7200) on ide1, 1 is 250gig the other is 120.

 

[meelk]

self edit, because i didnt hit "quote". duh.
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posted by Genx87
More specifically 6800 series(6800,6800GT,6800Ultra) with NF3 chipsets and the 70 series drivers. The 60 and 80 series drivers for me have cleared this issue up.

And the problem was more than hitching but a complete stoppage for 3-10 seconds and then the computer resumed play. Very nasty little problem I may add.
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bingo. this is it. now its simply a slight hitch every 10 mins or so for me. years ago people were reporting stoppage anywhere from half a second to 10 seconds at various time frames. This seems to be a problem nvidia continues to suffer from with various hardware. It almost certainly has to be a driver issue they cannot completely clear up, and it makes me wonder why.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: meelk
self edit, because i didnt hit "quote". duh.
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posted by Genx87
More specifically 6800 series(6800,6800GT,6800Ultra) with NF3 chipsets and the 70 series drivers. The 60 and 80 series drivers for me have cleared this issue up.

And the problem was more than hitching but a complete stoppage for 3-10 seconds and then the computer resumed play. Very nasty little problem I may add.
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bingo. this is it. now its simply a slight hitch every 10 mins or so for me. years ago people were reporting stoppage anywhere from half a second to 10 seconds at various time frames. This seems to be a problem nvidia continues to suffer from with various hardware. It almost certainly has to be a driver issue they cannot completely clear up, and it makes me wonder why.

Bingo, this is not it. Problem was resolved with driver revisions as Genx87 stated. And that was with 6 series. Is your mobo an NF3 platform?

 

[meelk]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: meelk
self edit, because i didnt hit "quote". duh.
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posted by Genx87
More specifically 6800 series(6800,6800GT,6800Ultra) with NF3 chipsets and the 70 series drivers. The 60 and 80 series drivers for me have cleared this issue up.

And the problem was more than hitching but a complete stoppage for 3-10 seconds and then the computer resumed play. Very nasty little problem I may add.
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bingo. this is it. now its simply a slight hitch every 10 mins or so for me. years ago people were reporting stoppage anywhere from half a second to 10 seconds at various time frames. This seems to be a problem nvidia continues to suffer from with various hardware. It almost certainly has to be a driver issue they cannot completely clear up, and it makes me wonder why.

Bingo, this is not it. Problem was resolved with driver revisions as Genx87 stated. And that was with 6 series. Is your mobo an NF3 platform?

actually that IS it. the problem was resolved "for him". this problem has existed since the nforce 2 era, btw, it is often accompanied by an infinite sound loop on a variety of onboard and add in sound as well, altho that my be a consequence of the video problem and not any kind of contributing factor.

my board is not nforce, btw.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: meelk

actually that IS it. the problem was resolved "for him". this problem has existed since the nforce 2 era, btw, it is often accompanied by an infinite sound loop on a variety of onboard and add in sound as well, altho that my be a consequence of the video problem and not any kind of contributing factor.

Or, it could be the other way around. The video is the consequence of an onboard/PCI card sound card problem. Try disabling your audio device in windows, reboot, and run your game without sound driver installed. At lease this will tell you if there is an issue/conflict with audio device.

BTW, anything in your PC can be a contributing factor to a problem. Nothing can be dismissed until thoroughly tested under controlled conditions. Just like any scientific experiment.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: meelk

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: meelk
self edit, because i didnt hit "quote". duh.
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posted by Genx87
More specifically 6800 series(6800,6800GT,6800Ultra) with NF3 chipsets and the 70 series drivers. The 60 and 80 series drivers for me have cleared this issue up.

And the problem was more than hitching but a complete stoppage for 3-10 seconds and then the computer resumed play. Very nasty little problem I may add.
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bingo. this is it. now its simply a slight hitch every 10 mins or so for me. years ago people were reporting stoppage anywhere from half a second to 10 seconds at various time frames. This seems to be a problem nvidia continues to suffer from with various hardware. It almost certainly has to be a driver issue they cannot completely clear up, and it makes me wonder why.

Bingo, this is not it. Problem was resolved with driver revisions as Genx87 stated. And that was with 6 series. Is your mobo an NF3 platform?

actually that IS it. the problem was resolved "for him". this problem has existed since the nforce 2 era, btw, it is often accompanied by an infinite sound loop on a variety of onboard and add in sound as well, altho that my be a consequence of the video problem and not any kind of contributing factor.

my board is not nforce, btw.

This issue is widely known to only happen in the NF3 chipset, 6800 series GPU, and the 70 series driver. I dont think what you are experiencing is the same thing. NF2. NF4 + 6800s dont appear to have this issue. And anything in an NF3 works fine even the 6600 series cards.

Something with the 70 series drivers caused an issue between the 6800 and NF3.

My completely uneducated guess is, could it have somehow been screwing with the broken Pure Video on these cards?

Who knows, but I am 100% confident you issue is not the same as mine. I havent heard of the 7800 series having the same issue.

I would look at the cooling on the machine. Also check AV software, these can sometimes eat resources when temp files are created for games.

 

[meelk]

I am not experiencing the sound loop. As stated when it did happen years ago it happened on a wide range of onboard and add in cards. You are really bad at limiting assesments. :

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: meelk
I am not experiencing the sound loop. As stated when it did happen years ago it happened on a wide range of onboard and add in cards. You are really bad at limiting assesments. :

And you are bad with time. This is November 1st 2005. Not years ago.

 

[coomar]

i had some hitching, occasionally in madden, once or twice in civ 4, a few other games as well, its less than once a day though

i assume civ 4 though will be addressing in the next driver updates, there seems to be a few graphical bugs

 

[TGS]

FYI:

Low Level and High Level formats.

 

[meelk]

Originally posted by: TGS
FYI:

Low Level and High Level formats.

get over it dude. im not worried about the semantics involved in meeting the dictionary perfect definition of a low level format vs. the common slang usage of same.

 

[Kogan]

Wow, crazy thread.

For clarification, I think "hitching" means "hard drive caching/accessing" I'm not sure what noob coined the term "hitching", but I guess I'll have to get used to it.

Ok, when a system pauses because of hard drive access, you should see the hard drive LED come on (usually the red one on the computer case if you have it connected properly). This is normal for all ATA drives since it takes a lot of CPU power to pull something off a hard drive - SCSI gets around a lot of this by having their own processor. I'm not sure how S-ATA or NCQ fits into this since I haven't really played with one of those drives yet.

Anyway, this has almost nothing to do with your video card. It will happen on any system where the hard drive is being accessed. It can be made worse if you're using highest-quality texture settings in a game. Because if you run out of Video Ram and System ram, the hard drive will be used as a temporary storage space. Since the hard drive is much slower than ram, you will notice pausing when the hard drive needs to be accessed. Again, this has almost nothing to do with your video system (except for texture sizes), and you need to find out what's accessing the hard drive.

Some hard drive caching is normal for some games. Lets say you walk to a new area/checkpoint and the game saves in the background. It has to access the hard drive, so you will get a pause, no matter how much ram you have.

If you want absolutely no hard-drive caching at all, you'll need to check these things:
1. Make sure you have enough Video RAM / System RAM for the game and settings you're using. 2gb of ram is recommended for new/future games. If you don't feel like upgrading, then lower the texture quality settings in the game - this will make them use less memory.
2. Kill all background tasks before playing a game. You should have no virus scanners/spyware scanners/system utilities/etc running in the background while playing. Press ctrl+alt+del in Windows to see a list of processes running - end all of them that you can. You don't need that NVcontrol panel, NVhelper, and most other applications that may be running in there.
3. In Windows XP, disable services that are not needed. Search the net for a windows xp service tweak guide to see which ones you can get rid of. All of these start up with your system and use system memory.
4. Check the AGP acupecture size in your bios (for AGP users only, I'm not sure if there's something similar for pci-e users). Normally it should be 128mb for most games, but higher and lower settings will have different effects on different games.

Now this thing about nvidia chipsets causing problems with nvida cards is most likely not what you're having. I believe this is when you get pauses in the game not related to hard drive caching - like you're running around in a game and it all of a sudden skips a frame when you go past a wall. If you walk back and forth in front of the wall, it keeps skipping the same frame. I've actually noticed this on my ATI card, with my nforce3 chipset, so I'm not sure what the deal is. It's hardly noticable though, so I don't think this is your problem.

 

[nitromullet]

I know you're not looking to troubleshoot this, but if you were these are a few things to consider:

1) Your PSU, the PCIe slot gives more power to the video card via the x16 slot than AGP, so it draws more from the PSU. Also, the GTX surely draws more power than a 9800.
2) The PCIe subsytem on that motherboard. I'm not exactly clear on how the ULI chipset works, but this motherboard is some sort of bastardization of AGP/PCIe/PCI, so it is possible that the problem lies there... either with hardware or drivers. Do you have another PCIe video card you can test?
3) Maybe it is a NV issue (just not one many of us have dealt with). I think it's plainly obvious by now that the people on this forum are not aware of a silver bulltet solution. If you really want to to get help with this I would suggest posting over at nvnews.net. It is a more nvidia-centric environment, and people are generally more helpful (and more knowledgable) about NVIDIA specifc issues over there.

 

[Reiniku]

Originally posted by: meelk
here, just for shits and giggles and to make you shut up:
winxp, all current updates, sp2, X2 3800, amd xp driver, MS dual core fix, proper regedit. evga 7800gt, current drivers whatever they are (81.85?), uli dual sata 2 motherboard, gig of corsair value 2.5 2x512. this same system was running a 9800 pro just days ago which DID NOT HITCH.

btw, you talk a lot for a guy who matches a P4 up with a 7800gtx

I'm getting a bit miffed while trying to actually go through everyone's posts, but when you were on your 9800pro I would guess that you were running at low textures/resolutions on BF2. That's all fine and dandy but once you go to higher settings and resolution 2 gigs of ram is a NECESSITY. I've seen rants over this millions of times. At higher levels of play hitching occurs a few times every minute and it will annoy the hell out of you unless you get 2 gigs of ram. Now I don't know if this actually solves anything, but I seem to only see BF2 mentioned and BF2 + 2Gigs of Ram = Smooth Gameplay.