You know what's sad? MS writes 3rd party apps for winphone

desura

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So instead of google writing a youtube app for win phone, MS has to write one.

Same for other sites like eating well.

You know what's even sadder? The "apps" are just links to the mobile versions of their websites.
 

zerogear

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You mean because Google is being a jackass and refusing to write apps for Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 and refused API access? Then they threatened Microsoft to take down their Youtube app because it didn't display ads properly, so MS had to update the app so it links only to the site.

I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at.
 

Conscript

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And this bothers you why? Sending this now from my Windows phone tapatalk app...not written by MS
 

maevinj

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So instead of google writing a youtube app for win phone, MS has to write one.

Same for other sites like eating well.

You know what's even sadder? The "apps" are just links to the mobile versions of their websites.

Troll much?
 

openwheel

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yeah Google is being a dick about it. Maybe intimidated, maybe afraid, or simple business move. Who knows!

Google knows how important Google services are. Apple's iPhone wouldn't be nearly as popular without Google's help. However, Microsoft is in a bad situation needing its services. Let's face it, when people say the eco-system is weak in Windows Mobile, it's really because of Google services.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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Google is absolutely no different than any company out there. They are just as "evil" and ruthless. If you believe otherwise you are a moron.

Don't expect to see official Google apps on WP anytime soon. They will only do so when WP reaches a critical mass of users like iOS has. They have no intention of seeing WP succeeding and dethroning Android.
 

BikeJunkie

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Weird that people think a company is evil or ruthless because they won't voluntarily support a competitor's ecosystem.
 

Yuriman

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Weird that people think a company is evil or ruthless because they won't voluntarily support a competitor's ecosystem.

Right, they're just behaving like any company in a capitalist system.

(not saying that's necessarily bad)
 

lifeblood

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Google is absolutely no different than any company out there. They are just as "evil" and ruthless. If you believe otherwise you are a moron.

Don't expect to see official Google apps on WP anytime soon. They will only do so when WP reaches a critical mass of users like iOS has. They have no intention of seeing WP succeeding and dethroning Android.
Of course, the fact that MS is threatning to sue companies that build Android phones for secret patent infringements would have nothing to do with Google not being supportive.

MS has gone out of its way to keep Android from succeeding. Do you see an Android version of MS Office? MS throughout its history has gone out of its way to crush competition. They were once the poster child for anti-competitive practices. I'm not the least bit sympathetic to MS.

No, Google is not a knight in shining armor. But MS is very much the evil dragon.
 

desura

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But it isn't just google. If you look at the MS Windows Phone store, there are a ton of apps "built by Microsoft" for a service that on other platforms was built by the company.

For instance, there's a Lowe's App in the Windows Phone store.

When you run it, the first thing you see is the IE logo as the "app" is just a link to the Lowe's mobile website.
 

Belegost

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Of course, the fact that MS is threatning to sue companies that build Android phones for secret patent infringements would have nothing to do with Google not being supportive.

MS has gone out of its way to keep Android from succeeding. Do you see an Android version of MS Office? MS throughout its history has gone out of its way to crush competition. They were once the poster child for anti-competitive practices. I'm not the least bit sympathetic to MS.

No, Google is not a knight in shining armor. But MS is very much the evil dragon.

Yes, yes I do see Office for Android. http://phandroid.com/2013/07/31/microsoft-office-for-androi/

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lifeblood

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Ah, yes. Mobile office, I stand corrected. However, I must mention in my own defense that this is more a path towards making Office a subscription based app that requires you to keep buying the same product each year rather than buying just once. MS is practical if nothing else. But I don't think this weakens my original argument. MS has a long history of using whatever means to crush competition.

But please, continue your crusade against the evil MS, this is how rational people see you:
Just a heads up, the mods might consider this a personal attack and take action against you. They've been cracking down on that recently.

But in a way it is personal for me. I worked for a city government that use to use Word Perfect Suite but was forced to switch by MS. They threatened to sue us for license violation. We were in the right, our lawyers agreed we were in the right and would win the case, but the cost of defending ourselves was more than the cost of switching to MS Office. So, money talked and we migrated to MS Office.
 

darkewaffle

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The mobile version of the YT site actually works really well on WP. And I don't think I've seen an ad yet on it lol.
 

Belegost

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Ah, yes. Mobile office, I stand corrected. However, I must mention in my own defense that this is more a path towards making Office a subscription based app that requires you to keep buying the same product each year rather than buying just once. MS is practical if nothing else. But I don't think this weakens my original argument. MS has a long history of using whatever means to crush competition.

Just a heads up, the mods might consider this a personal attack and take action against you. They've been cracking down on that recently.

But in a way it is personal for me. I worked for a city government that use to use Word Perfect Suite but was forced to switch by MS. They threatened to sue us for license violation. We were in the right, our lawyers agreed we were in the right and would win the case, but the cost of defending ourselves was more than the cost of switching to MS Office. So, money talked and we migrated to MS Office.

Sure, it's personal for me as well - I am author on a number of patents (to be clear, not with Microsoft), a few were infringed by a company, and I have had to write several documents describing them and the process for developing the ideas for our legal team to take to court, as well as a number of long conference calls. These patents represent a lot of hard effort on the part of a team of people working to make something new, better than existed before, and I feel they should be respected.

So I can understand the position of MS here, they legitimately made a lot of the fundamental advances in operating systems, I am sure there are teams that put in a lot of hours, and a lot of effort into creating those patents. I don't see it as unreasonable to want to be reimbursed for that.

So for me, when people start yelling about companies being "evil" for defending patents, I feel more than a little defensive as I don't like being labeled as "evil" for wanting my work respected.
 

hans007

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For a lot of companies it's not a big enough ecosystem to support. Even Facebook doesn't write their own app, Microsoft does it for them though in that case its pretty decent.

I am a web developer and given our team is pretty small we didn't even do any qa testing for our mobile HTML site on windows phone 8. Just wasn't worth assigning resources too and we didn't have any phones at work. I just so happen to also have a lumia 521 and tried it out on my own and it was OK but our company itself would not have used resources for windows. Its just not worth it right now when there's other things that need to be done
 

bearxor

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Weird that people think a company is evil or ruthless because they won't voluntarily support a competitor's ecosystem.

The biggest thing for me is that Google constantly supports this notion of "Oh, we're open and we support all platforms and we just love everybody and want our stuff everywhere and we really care about the end users and the experiences that they have, blah blah blah".

Look, I can understand having a threshold for supporting a platform. But it's fucking Microsoft. It's fucking Windows Phone. Sure, they don't have 10% of the overall market yet. But it's growing every year and (newsflash) it's not going away.

Even the small percentages of users Windows Phone has still counts for millions (and millions!) of Windows Phone users. With Microsoft offering to basically pay for the development of the apps, Google is sending a clear message that millions of users aren't "important enough" or "valuable enough" to put in even a token effort to produce some half-assed application to support their users (of which there are plenty) that might choose Windows Phone.

It just makes me so irritated. It's like those stupid Apple fans back in the mid 90's to mid 00's always thinking that Apple was somehow "sticking it to the man". Listen, if you don't want to make your services available on WP, just say you don't and end the speculation on when it might happen or people theorizing about the imaginary number you don't actually have of "enough market penetration" before you decide to support WP.
 

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I think it's a pretty slick way of getting those companies interested. WP doesn't have the market share to entice people off the bat but if that app gets decent traction then MS can go to that company actual statistics of how many people want/use that app.

MS will get crap for it from people like us but when the average person wants a Lowe's app they aren't going to care if it's just a packaged webapp but if it exists and will do what they need.
 

WelshBloke

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The biggest thing for me is that Google constantly supports this notion of "Oh, we're open and we support all platforms and we just love everybody and want our stuff everywhere and we really care about the end users and the experiences that they have, blah blah blah".

Look, I can understand having a threshold for supporting a platform. But it's fucking Microsoft. It's fucking Windows Phone. Sure, they don't have 10% of the overall market yet. But it's growing every year and (newsflash) it's not going away.

Even the small percentages of users Windows Phone has still counts for millions (and millions!) of Windows Phone users. With Microsoft offering to basically pay for the development of the apps, Google is sending a clear message that millions of users aren't "important enough" or "valuable enough" to put in even a token effort to produce some half-assed application to support their users (of which there are plenty) that might choose Windows Phone.

It just makes me so irritated. It's like those stupid Apple fans back in the mid 90's to mid 00's always thinking that Apple was somehow "sticking it to the man". Listen, if you don't want to make your services available on WP, just say you don't and end the speculation on when it might happen or people theorizing about the imaginary number you don't actually have of "enough market penetration" before you decide to support WP.

So its Microsoft, so what? They have ah heck all market share its really not worth anyones effort in supporting the platform at the moment. Now that may change and I would expect that google's attitude would change as well.

Really if you want great Google support (or any third party support really) why would you buy a phone with a tiny market share and no history of support from the company whose services that you want?

Its like me buying an Android phone and then complaining that iCloud backup doesn't work on it and I cant get to the Apple app store on it.

If those services are that important to you then buy the appropriate device.
 

poofyhairguy

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The biggest thing for me is that Google constantly supports this notion of "Oh, we're open and we support all platforms and we just love everybody and want our stuff everywhere and we really care about the end users and the experiences that they have, blah blah blah".

And they do. Google supports things like HTML 5 and tried to build a standard other than h264 for video so that more content can become device agnostic. Windows x86 doesn't get many exclusive Google apps, just the web stuff too.
 
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bearxor

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So its Microsoft, so what? They have ah heck all market share its really not worth anyones effort in supporting the platform at the moment. Now that may change and I would expect that google's attitude would change as well.

Really if you want great Google support (or any third party support really) why would you buy a phone with a tiny market share and no history of support from the company whose services that you want?
That's the whole point, really. A lot of people, myself included, believe that Google's complete lack of support for Windows Phone is to limit the choices users have and force them in to the Android ecosystem rather than the WP ecosystem. I don't believe their stance will ever change, but we'll have to wait a few years for WP market penetration to top iOS.

Its like me buying an Android phone and then complaining that iCloud backup doesn't work on it and I cant get to the Apple app store on it.
And no it's not. It's like Apple coming out and saying "Yeah, we don't really want to support Android at this time but we're constantly looking at the situation and, if it changes, we'll see about making iCloud available on Android."

At this point, you simply KNOW Apple isn't going to support shit on Android. Or WP. You know. With Google's current stance (which I don't buy but several others do) is that they "might" support WP "eventually".

I'm calling shens.

And, BTW, I don't really have a dog in the fight at this point. I'm an iOS user whom has almost purged all things Google out anyways (saying goodbye to All Access Music today) and when I do switch to Windows Phone, the only thing I'll think I'll miss is a chromecast option on the YouTube app. But I'm pretty close to eliminating the ChromeCast anyways.
 
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lifeblood

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At this point, you simply KNOW Apple isn't going to support shit on Android. Or WP. You know. With Google's current stance (which I don't buy but several others do) is that they "might" support WP "eventually".
Their is a difference between not supporting a competitor and actively trying to suppress a competitor. Google is not supporting WP. Apple is trying to suppress Android with its constant lawsuits. The same with MS and how they are extorting a licensing fee based on "secret" patent violations. What really makes this annoying is how much Apple borrowed other peoples ideas in the past, but as soon as they had original ideas they became all righteous.
 
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