You live next door to a person that flies a Nazi flag in front of their house. Should anything be done about it?

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BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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With your property value going to virtually ZERO. You have a surprisingly high level of tolerance. Sacrificing your own finances so this guy can fly his Nazi flag.

I guess you are a better person then most of us.

The law doesn't allow you to go vigilante on the asshole just because his Nazi flag might knock down your property value.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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The law doesn't allow you to go vigilante on the asshole just because his Nazi flag might knock down your property value.
By vigilante if you mean physical harm to this guy I never advocated for that.

I'm assuming if you are the person that lives next door you are fine with your property value being destroyed. That's an acceptable answer I'm just trying to ascertain if that is your answer.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Anyone trying to escalate with this dude next door is out of their minds. I would need a security system like no other to just consider falling asleep at night. You got kids in your home? Hell no.
That dude has got to go and fast. Safest move would be to take the financial hit and move.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

IN MEMORIAM
Jun 19, 2004
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Anyone trying to escalate with this dude next door is out of their minds. I would need a security system like no other to just consider falling asleep at night. You got kids in your home? Hell no.
That dude has got to go and fast. Safest move would be to take the financial hit and move.
I understand the need for safety and security however, allowing Nazis to exist provides neither. It also teaches fear.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
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Anyone trying to escalate with this dude next door is out of their minds. I would need a security system like no other to just consider falling asleep at night. You got kids in your home? Hell no.
That dude has got to go and fast. Safest move would be to take the financial hit and move.
Somehow I find that very hard to consider acceptable.

What if you are retired and your house is paid off. Now you have to sell it for less then half its value, move somewhere else and possibly ruin the rest of your life financially?
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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Somehow I find that very hard to consider acceptable.

What if you are retired and your house is paid off. Now you have to sell it for less then half its value, move somewhere else and possibly ruin the rest of your life financially?
It's not acceptable, but it's reality. The fellow is clearly not sane, he shot a woman in the back for taking his flag. That's not a rational person, that's not someone you can reason with, and up until the moment he pulled the trigger, he hadn't committed a crime.
I don't like any part of the story, and I sure as hell don't want a Nazi living next door to me, but at the end of the day the guy wasn't doing anything wrong until he pulled the trigger.
 

pauldun170

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Sep 26, 2011
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I would have tossed up American flag followed by a rainbow flag followed by a BLM flag and then an Israeli flag. I'd have a yard filled with anti Trump signs and pro Biden signs. My house would be filled with flowers and be a fucking post card of a home.
I would buy a Tesla and lease a Lexus for the wife. I would have my sport bikes on full display and have weekly barbecues filled with my Caribbean, Salvadoran, Jewish and Korean family and extended family. We would have a mix of a Calypso and reggae playing as delicious scents carry on the wind.
Between the college educated cops, lawyers medical folks and scientist we'd fill the air with discussion.
I would extend an invitation to join us for every barbecue. I would say hello to him every time I saw him and always be friendly.

When he's sitting outside with his rifle waiting for an excuse to murder someone for touching his Nazi bullshit, I'd ask him about guns and what's good on the market.

I'm an asshole like that.

In my neighborhood, the Nazi worshiping racist are more discrete.
 
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cytg111

Lifer
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Somehow I find that very hard to consider acceptable.

What if you are retired and your house is paid off. Now you have to sell it for less then half its value, move somewhere else and possibly ruin the rest of your life financially?
I am not saying do nothing, just do it smart.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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Murdering Nazis should still get you a medal and a pension.
What it should get you and what it will get you are two very different things.
I have difficulty with this line of thinking because I've never wanted to murder anyone. There have been several over the years that I thought the world would be better off without, but I never felt the desire to kill them myself. That's a level of hate I haven't achieved, and I'm ok with that.

I used to have an acquaintance that had killed three men and bombed his parole officers house. The three killings he did without anger, two were simply necessary, and one was a favor for a friend (he shot the guy in the face point blank with a 12 gauge shotgun). The house bombing was the only one done out of anger, and he missed, the family was out for the evening when he did it.
I don't really have any point to make with this story, it's just that this thread reminded me of it and I thought I'd share.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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By vigilante if you mean physical harm to this guy I never advocated for that.

I'm assuming if you are the person that lives next door you are fine with your property value being destroyed. That's an acceptable answer I'm just trying to ascertain if that is your answer.

Like it or not, your property values don't matter...legally.


Somehow I find that very hard to consider acceptable.

What if you are retired and your house is paid off. Now you have to sell it for less then half its value, move somewhere else and possibly ruin the rest of your life financially?

Then YOU are the intolerant one who caused that financial ruin.

I don't like Nazis...several of my family members fought in WWII against both the Nazis and the Japanese. Should we all get as upset over someone flying a Japanese flag? After all, they were at least as brutal and murderous as the Germans...they just didn't concentrate so much on one ethnic group.
 

amenx

Diamond Member
Dec 17, 2004
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I don't like Nazis...several of my family members fought in WWII against both the Nazis and the Japanese. Should we all get as upset over someone flying a Japanese flag? After all, they were at least as brutal and murderous as the Germans...they just didn't concentrate so much on one ethnic group.
Sure, the Japanese were just as ruthless as the Nazis, but no one is celebrating the rising sun flag outside of Japan and no organizations or movements working for a revival of a militaristic Japan.
Nazis movements otoh are plentiful and have many followers. Being indifferent to their flag may give them some degree of acceptance and allow their violent hateful views to flourish and allow them to grow and pose a threat to others.

 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Offing a Nazi is one of the very few select things I would give myself a tattoo for.
I struggle with a definition for evil but Nazism is a good substitute.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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He can certainly fly that flag. Doesn’t mean anyone has to give him a job, allow him in their restaurant or store, etc. The only thing the 1st amendment says is the government can’t punish him for his speech’. His fellow citizens are free to choose to have nothing to do with him because of that speech.

Im not sure not giving someone a job is constitutional. Although, there is alot of variation on this

 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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Meh...do nothing. Like it or not, it's none of your business...unless your name is Karen.
Thing is that that guy is quite clearly mental. And he's not going to get less mental just because you let him fly his little flag.
Leave him alone and at some point he's going to shoot a delivery driver thats the wrong colour or some kids will be playing too loudly on the street outside.

On a related matter why do modern Nazis look like potatoes a lot of the time? You'd think that they'd make a bit of an effort as they consider themselves the pinnacle of the human race.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Im not sure not giving someone a job is constitutional. Although, there is alot of variation on this


If you read the link, society kicking a guy promoting nazi ideals isn't protected. There may be other conditions stopping an employer from terminating him, but it won't be because of his free speech. The only exception is this:

When the employer/employee are in a state that has other protections. Some states do not allow employers to fire employees for conduct outside of work, as long as the activities themselves are legal. This means that it would be much more difficult for an employer in one of these places to fire someone for conduct it finds distasteful that is still nonetheless legal. Some places also have protections in place for political speech.

Not sure what state that would be. but I'm sure even that has it's limits.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Im not sure not giving someone a job is constitutional. Although, there is alot of variation on this

I can refuse to hire you for ANY reason as long it isn't related to race, sex, age, or disability. Being a Nazi does not a fall under any of those categories.

This shit isn't difficult or new.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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If you read the link, society kicking a guy promoting nazi ideals isn't protected. There may be other conditions stopping an employer from terminating him, but it won't be because of his free speech. The only exception is this:



Not sure what state that would be. but I'm sure even that has it's limits.

Even then you would have to already be employed for those protections to kick in.
 
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Meghan54

Lifer
Oct 18, 2009
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Im not sure not giving someone a job is constitutional. Although, there is alot of variation on this


Wait a minute...I thought you were in the anti-union/right-to-work camp. So now you want employee protections from consequences of them exercising their free speech rights? How leftist of you...👌
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Wait a minute...I thought you were in the anti-union/right-to-work camp. So now you want employee protections from consequences of them exercising their free speech rights? How leftist of you...👌

He's very concerned all of a sudden.
 
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