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[markymoo]

Originally posted by: OcHungry
Well you dont understand how this whole argument started.
There where those saying core 2 oc 40% better than A64. so I showed them that it's not true.

Alot people with E6400 2.1Ghz are reaching 3.6Ghz thats a 72% overclock. Can your amd offer the same potential? Any result you have will be blown apart by conroe on performance and price and so buying a amd is a bad investment right now and for the forseeable future. Its whats better in the real world under real conditions.

Your argument is null and void. The final criteria of speed and performance is what matters in the end but this is lost on you. The end result outweighs your diddly squat linear curve performance. Any benchmark you seen is destroyed by a overclocked conroe running at 3.2+ anyway. Your point is so belittled.

What hsf have you got? You had stock then a ninja.....Whats it to be?

Amd were king for a few years now they not!

Are you expecting this thread to still be open by the time vista comes out? everybody cringe lol. Games run slower under vista and companys dont have decent drivers yet. Incidentally Windows Vista RC2, build 5743 comes out this week. The final beta before final release.

Everybody is now starting to think your a little kid. You beat put it to rest.

 

[Roguestar]

I have an Athlon 64 and let's be honest here: 64-bit computing is not nearly ready. XP-64 was a bone Microsoft threw to the Athlon-64 crowd to keep them interested, but really there's nothing the average gameplaying movie-encoding Joe needs that is not already done better by a tried-and-tested supported 32-bit program. Windows-64 has 375835300 driver and program compatibility problems, regardless of how seamlessly the A64 runs 32-bit code. I think it's a useless assertion for OcHungry to make about Conroe being "stuck on 32-bit" when you consider a) EMT64 b) the current lacklustre state of 64-bit programming and lackthereof of people willing to develop major applications on it.

By the way, OcHungry, saying "the more meaningfull comparison should be conducted in 64bit" proves your simple, scientific, elegant ignorance of the principles of a Fair Test. Testing both CPUs under the same conditions (especially given that 32-bit computing is the current state of affairs) shows that each cyclically idiotic assertion you make, after the ignorance of your previous one being proved wrong, is flawed.

 

[Maephestus]

I spent 4 hours reading this thread today at work. It helped motivate me to register and start contributing to the forums here, which I think are among the best.

I must say, I have not laughed out loud so much in YEARS.. this is truly an entertaining and classic thread.

- M

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Maephestus
I spent 4 hours reading this thread today at work. It helped motivate me to register and start contributing to the forums here, which I think are among the best.

I must say, I have not laughed out loud so much in YEARS.. this is truly an entertaining and classic thread.

- M

Welcome to AT...I see you've met OCHungry...the resident AMD superfanatic.

 

[OcHungry]

Some of you clowns may laugh your head off till your end, but some of you will kick your butt for believing your outrageous claims about Conroe vs. AMD.
I suggest before clowning around, read a few reviews on Conroe (E6300 for example) written by those who took your ill advise.
These are taken from newegg.

9/29/2006 6:51:13 AM Am not too impressed

Pros: 2MB cache, Apparently great OCing potential.

Cons: See below

Other Thoughts: I built the system after reading glorious claims by other people on the ocing potential of E6300 + Gigabyte-DS3. I am using the same and also have Patriot 2GB DDR2-667 Memory. Replaced Stock HSF with Arctic Freezer pro 7. I have pushed the FSB to 333. But CPU temp is already at 48C idle at stock voltage. Most people report at least 10C lower. WinXP repairing took about 1/2 hr. People reported installing WinXP in under 10mins. Unless I have messed up something bigtime or I have got a defective product...I am not getting the performance promised. Its probably working marginally faster as my previous AthlonXP. 2500+, though the performance marks are higher. Firefox takes like 6secs to load up. I dunno whether thats normal. I was hoping for blazing speeds. Is by any chance CPU cache disabled by default? Anyway of checking whether the cache is actually enabled?


9/10/2006 6:44:53 AM very dissapointing

Pros: pretty fast for 1.86ghz.

Cons: Bad overclocker. I bought a top of the line ASUS mobo, ddr2 800cas4, the E6300 and a 7950GX2. I raised the fsb and couldnt get it past 2.05. It then either fails boot or locks up in gaming at anything over 2.05. Temps stay 38c no at idle no matter if oc'd or not so heats not an issue.

Other Thoughts: Worst overclocker I have ever owned


8/21/2006 4:22:04 PM Many problems

Pros: Once I got it to run stable it was ok. I like the way the bios will reset itself to the last good config while testing overclocking.

Cons: Would crash in WinXP with default config with Core2Duo 6300. Will not allow my DDR2800 ram to run stable over 533. Bios updates helped a little, but what's the point of having high speed ram you can't use?

Other Thoughts: Returning for refund.


8/20/2006 10:04:34 AM Be realistic

Pros: Good processor not great for a P3 with some core changes and a big cache. As usual Newegg got it to me on time and at the best price

Cons: I would have liked to see a real new generation that was at minimum 50% quicker than an AMD at the same speed. I have both this processor and a 4400+ AMD and guess what the 4400 matches it or beats it and at th etime I bought it the AMD was a bit cheaper.

Other Thoughts: Too Much Hype 20% is not enough to Justify the sill comments that a E6300 beats an Fx-62, Nice processor but big caches are great for benchmarks (HP did it against hte IBM Risc processors in the 90s).

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Some of you clowns may laugh your head off till your end, but some of you will kick your butt for believing your outrageous claims about Conroe vs. AMD.
I suggest before clowning around, read a few reviews on Conroe (E6300 for example) written by those who took your ill advise.

9/29/2006 6:51:13 AM Am not too impressed

Pros: 2MB cache, Apparently great OCing potential.

Cons: See below

Other Thoughts: I built the system after reading glorious claims by other people on the ocing potential of E6300 + Gigabyte-DS3. I am using the same and also have Patriot 2GB DDR2-667 Memory. Replaced Stock HSF with Arctic Freezer pro 7. I have pushed the FSB to 333. But CPU temp is already at 48C idle at stock voltage. Most people report at least 10C lower. WinXP repairing took about 1/2 hr. People reported installing WinXP in under 10mins. Unless I have messed up something bigtime or I have got a defective product...I am not getting the performance promised. Its probably working marginally faster as my previous AthlonXP. 2500+, though the performance marks are higher. Firefox takes like 6secs to load up. I dunno whether thats normal. I was hoping for blazing speeds. Is by any chance CPU cache disabled by default? Anyway of checking whether the cache is actually enabled?



/21/2006 4:22:04 PM Many problems

Pros: Once I got it to run stable it was ok. I like the way the bios will reset itself to the last good config while testing overclocking.

Cons: Would crash in WinXP with default config with Core2Duo 6300. Will not allow my DDR2800 ram to run stable over 533. Bios updates helped a little, but what's the point of having high speed ram you can't use?

Other Thoughts: Returning for refund.



/10/2006 6:44:53 AM very dissapointing

Pros: pretty fast for 1.86ghz.

Cons: Bad overclocker. I bought a top of the line ASUS mobo, ddr2 800cas4, the E6300 and a 7950GX2. I raised the fsb and couldnt get it past 2.05. It then either fails boot or locks up in gaming at anything over 2.05. Temps stay 38c no at idle no matter if oc'd or not so heats not an issue.

Other Thoughts: Worst overclocker I have ever owned.
ROFL ROFL ROFL

WHY WOULD YOU CUT OFF THE MONTH THAT STUFF WAS POSTED BUT LEAVE THE SEPTEMBER POST STILL ON?????? Are you trying to make people think that these are recent problems? and BTW, LINK???

 

[OcHungry]

It's fixed. Wasnt my intention, and did not pay attention when copy and pasted. Sorry

 

[swtethan]

PSST, LINK????

 

[n19htmare]

You have out done yourself here OCHUNGRY...... WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets see
http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?item=N82E16819115005

You got those from NewEgg.
Total of 96 Reviews.

81 of which gave it 5 eggs.
11 of which gave it 4 eggs.
3 of which gave it 3 eggs. (1 guy is just butthurt cuz newegg sent him wrong board)
1 gave 2 eggs.
no one gave it very poor....

That makes it total of 3 reviews, and those three you quoted... Do you seriously not think about what you're about to post?

Let me quote some of them for you....



10/5/2006 2:38:12 PM

super awesome overclocker

Pros: highly overclockable, runs cool, low power consumption, core architecture FLIES.... i have this mounted on a G*gabyte DS3 with PC6400 running at 2.975ghz prime 95 stable. 1m SuperPi in 18.5, it outbenches the almighty $7xx FX-6X processor from the green camp EASILY. will buy another one.

Cons: it wasn't given to me for free. 7x multiplier... for forty bucks more you can get a 6400 with the 8x multiplier.

Other Thoughts: simply amazing, kudos to intel for the new Core architecture.




10/2/2006 10:02:29 PM

Incredible

Pros: Coming from an Athlon XP 2500 this is a crazy step up. I installed Oblivion in about 3 minutes. With the stock heatsink my temp is about 34 C idle, 43 C under load.

Cons: The stock heatsink is REALLY hard to put on. You have to put a lot of pressure on the pegs to lock it down.

Other Thoughts: For the price you can't go wrong.




9/29/2006 11:13:28 PM

Allendale or Conroe?

Pros: Outstanding performance. Marked improvement from my old Athlon XP system. Better performance than Athlon 64 X2 systems at the same price point. First Intel system I've built in 8 years (Celeron 300A) - worth the wait.

Cons: Identified by CPU-Z as "Allendale" processor, with single core. Windows device manager list two processor so I assume it's working OK.

Other Thoughts: Axx better be working on something big or Intel is going to eat its lunch. Selling my Axx stock.




Those are just the FEW of the MANY praises. You picked out 3, and THOSE are only 3 low ones.... Want me get percentage for you.....
You have totally lost it now OCHUNGRY.... You have nothing else to hang on to, so you pick some 1% that had problems with their system. for all we know it could be something else....
I can Goto a 3800X2 page and pull up and post negative comments here too, it's not that hard.

Can you please comment on the 81 people that gave it 5 eggs and 11 that gave it 4? Did intel buy em out?


By the way, I'm still waiting on your 3Ghz stable AMD system on air.... Please provide proof.

Thanks

 

[swtethan]

nightmare, check your pm's

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: n19htmare
You have out done yourself here OCHUNGRY...... WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets see
http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?item=N82E16819115005

You got those from NewEgg.
Total of 96 Reviews.

81 of which gave it 5 eggs.
11 of which gave it 4 eggs.
3 of which gave it 3 eggs. (1 guy is just butthurt cuz newegg sent him wrong board)
1 gave 2 eggs.
no one gave it very poor....

That makes it total of 3 reviews, and those three you quoted... Do you seriously not think about what you're about to post?

Let me quote some of them for you....



10/5/2006 2:38:12 PM

super awesome overclocker

Pros: highly overclockable, runs cool, low power consumption, core architecture FLIES.... i have this mounted on a G*gabyte DS3 with PC6400 running at 2.975ghz prime 95 stable. 1m SuperPi in 18.5, it outbenches the almighty $7xx FX-6X processor from the green camp EASILY. will buy another one.

Cons: it wasn't given to me for free. 7x multiplier... for forty bucks more you can get a 6400 with the 8x multiplier.

Other Thoughts: simply amazing, kudos to intel for the new Core architecture.




10/2/2006 10:02:29 PM

Incredible

Pros: Coming from an Athlon XP 2500 this is a crazy step up. I installed Oblivion in about 3 minutes. With the stock heatsink my temp is about 34 C idle, 43 C under load.

Cons: The stock heatsink is REALLY hard to put on. You have to put a lot of pressure on the pegs to lock it down.

Other Thoughts: For the price you can't go wrong.




9/29/2006 11:13:28 PM

Allendale or Conroe?

Pros: Outstanding performance. Marked improvement from my old Athlon XP system. Better performance than Athlon 64 X2 systems at the same price point. First Intel system I've built in 8 years (Celeron 300A) - worth the wait.

Cons: Identified by CPU-Z as "Allendale" processor, with single core. Windows device manager list two processor so I assume it's working OK.

Other Thoughts: Axx better be working on something big or Intel is going to eat its lunch. Selling my Axx stock.




Those are just the FEW of the MANY praises. You picked out 3, and THOSE are only 3 low ones.... Want me get percentage for you.....
You have totally lost it now OCHUNGRY.... You have nothing else to hang on to, so you pick some 1% that had problems with their system. for all we know it could be something else....
I can Goto a 3800X2 page and pull up and post negative comments here too, it's not that hard.

Can you please comment on the 81 people that gave it 5 eggs and 11 that gave it 4? Did intel buy em out?


By the way, I'm still waiting on your 3Ghz stable AMD system on air.... Please provide proof.

Thanks

Actually that's 5% of people who wrote bad reviews. The point is the performance is not stellar or 40% better than AMD as some clowns keep emphasizing. There is even one reviewer who has AMD 4400 x2 and says not much difference between the 2.
So stop fooling yourself and others.
Time to be honest and come back to reality.
I showed everyone that the cinebench I get clock for clock is equal if not better compared to Conroe, be it 64bit or not, still you comeback and say otherwise.
Get over it. Cinebench is a CPU test and I don?t have a $700 video card to compete w/ the paid per review website to prove to you the rest of benchmarks are GPU related.

I left this thread alone but I see some of you keep coming back rehashing.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: OcHungry
Actually that's 5% of people who wrote bad reviews. The point is the performance is not stellar or 40% better than AMD as some clowns keep emphasizing. There is even one reviewer who has AMD 4400 x2 and says not much difference between the 2.
So stop fooling yourself and others.
Time to be honest and come back to reality.

And an X2-4400 matching an E6300 is surprsing how?

$226 X2-4400 (2.2Ghz)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103546

$180 E6300 (1.83Ghz)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115005

So for 25% more price you pay for the same performance?

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: OcHungry
Actually that's 5% of people who wrote bad reviews. The point is the performance is not stellar or 40% better than AMD as some clowns keep emphasizing. There is even one reviewer who has AMD 4400 x2 and says not much difference between the 2.
So stop fooling yourself and others.
Time to be honest and come back to reality.

And an X2-4400 matching an E6300 is surprsing how?

$226 X2-4400 (2.2Ghz)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103546

$180 E6300 (1.83Ghz)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115005

So for 25% more price you pay for the same performance?

:laugh:

 

[customcoms]

[q/]
Then I brought to their attention that in 64bit A64 performs (in Cinebench) just as good as core-2 (if not better considering my memory speed was lower and A64 performance directly relates to memory speed and timings, because of IMC).
[/quote]

First of all, this thread is complete B.S C2D is faster, period. How much faster is debatable.
Seond of all, being an AMD fan you should know that clock speed is king. This was debated, benchmarked etc. on dfi street. Yes, faster memory helps the AMD64, but saying it is a direct correlation is COMPLETE BS. Faster memory helps any computer, period. It helps AMD a tad bit more because of the IMC, but in no way does it directly correlate to processor performance. You want the proof?

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40178

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: OcHungry
Actually that's 5% of people who wrote bad reviews. The point is the performance is not stellar or 40% better than AMD as some clowns keep emphasizing. There is even one reviewer who has AMD 4400 x2 and says not much difference between the 2.
So stop fooling yourself and others.
Time to be honest and come back to reality.

And an X2-4400 matching an E6300 is surprsing how?

$226 X2-4400 (2.2Ghz)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103546

$180 E6300 (1.83Ghz)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115005

So for 25% more price you pay for the same performance?

You don?t give up do you?
Why don?t you speak of truth once in a while?
The E6400 is at 4400's level of performance overcooked both. Just look at anandtech review for more realistic overclocking (not the lies you keep feeding people)
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2802&p=2
Looking at 3D and CPU performance in Cinebech, E6300 performance is below 4200 x2.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2802&p=7
Also you keep failing to mention the price of motherboards.
Oh yah you say Intel?s mobo can be bought for $70, the same as AMD's (what I have and overclocked to 3 GHz) but fail to say it's a poor overclocker. Instead you show a $250 motherboard and say "you see it can overclock as high as 3.5 GHz".
By now people have figured out the lies and deception you keep imposing here on them.
BTW, 2x7600GT has higher score than single GF7900 that you keep claiming does better.
Just too bad that your $200 mobo can not configured for SLI.
Give it up.

 

[n19htmare]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Actually that's 5% of people who wrote bad reviews. The point is the performance is not stellar or 40% better than AMD as some clowns keep emphasizing. There is even one reviewer who has AMD 4400 x2 and says not much difference between the 2.
So stop fooling yourself and others.
Time to be honest and come back to reality.
I showed everyone that the cinebench I get clock for clock is equal if not better compared to Conroe, be it 64bit or not, still you comeback and say otherwise.
Get over it. Cinebench is a CPU test and I don?t have a $700 video card to compete w/ the paid per review website to prove to you the rest of benchmarks are GPU related.

I left this thread alone but I see some of you keep coming back rehashing.

If thats how you want to look at it, i guess 3 eggs is considered bad. But its still 95% positive.... I don't know about you but 95% satisfactory rate from Newegg reviews is pretty good.

Lets look at the E6400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?item=N82E16819115004
109 total reviews
102 5 eggs
7 4 eggs.
seems like 100% of E6400 buyers are satisfied... good enough no?

Only one thats being fooled here is you... by your biased, ignorant views. You don't have a clue about what you spew out. You're better off running that blog of yours.

I can show you MANY MANY benches where Core is faster than amd right now... but you'll just say they're rigged and paid off. so I won't.

Also for the millionth time SHOW ME YOUR 3GHZ X2-4400 STABLE SHOTS

NOT A SINGLE PERSON IS CONVINCED THAT AMD IS FASTER if someone is reading this and they are convinced that yes OCHUNGRY is right and AMD is fater, please post.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: n19htmare
NOT A SINGLE PERSON IS CONVINCED THAT AMD IS FASTER if someone is reading this and they are convinced that yes OCHUNGRY is right and AMD is fater, please post.

Obviously, you have not done enough to convince me.

Isn't it kind of ironic/circumstantial the guy posting the review that the E6300 isn't faster than the X2-4400 has the same model as OCHungry's?

 

[raincityboy]

NOT A SINGLE PERSON IS CONVINCED THAT AMD IS FASTER if someone is reading this and they are convinced that yes OCHUNGRY is right and AMD is fater, please post.

If I agree with OcHungry, and say AMD>Intel, will you guys let this thread die?
Talk about beating a dead horse.

 

[Avalon]

He needs to be given a vacation or something already. Jeesh.

 

[customcoms]

Yeap, I love how he ignored my comments, because their are right. And you are right on one point only, OCHungry, the boards that are pulling these monster overlclocks cost upwards of $150. And AMD boards that are great overclockers are under $100. However, the best S939 Board built, the Lanparty nForce4 series, still starts at $115. But thats comparing a $115 TOL board to a $250 intel equivalent.

Anandtech does tests with RETAIL cpus that they get off newegg. They even compare them with their intel samples: http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2802&p=2

and if you think that intel paid off all the review sites and everyone on every tech forum on the planet, I find it highly ironic b/c intels money would thus be paying for you to post your comments (since the majority of hardware forums are owned by review sites).

 

[herbiehancock]

I guess the latest review of the Asus P5B-E motherboard, in which the Intel E6300, the 1.8GHz cpu, was OC'd to 3.6GHz with a FSB of 515MHz, just got overlooked by OcHungry. By the way......it was stable running Super Pi for 25 loops (completed in 14 min, 20 sec.) That's a stable 93% overclock....something NO AMD cpu has ever been able to obtain, air, water, or probably even liquid nitrogen cooled......the NF4 chipset just won't go to 515MHz and be stable enough to benchmark.

Oh well...........

BTW........here's a link to the article on Anandtech (but then again, AT is being paid off by Intel..............yeah, right!)
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2851&p=1

 

[n19htmare]

I officially (what ever that means) render this thread as dead, Please refrain from posting any further messages. Let it die, let it die.

Thank you.

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: n19htmare
NOT A SINGLE PERSON IS CONVINCED THAT AMD IS FASTER if someone is reading this and they are convinced that yes OCHUNGRY is right and AMD is fater, please post.

Obviously, you have not done enough to convince me.

Isn't it kind of ironic/circumstantial the guy posting the review that the E6300 isn't faster than the X2-4400 has the same model as OCHungry's?

So now you accuse me that I wrote that newegg "bad" review?
I show you the invoice date if that doesnt shut you up just contact newegg (or Intel) and file a complaint and make an ass of yourself.

 

[harpoon84]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: n19htmare
NOT A SINGLE PERSON IS CONVINCED THAT AMD IS FASTER if someone is reading this and they are convinced that yes OCHUNGRY is right and AMD is fater, please post.

Obviously, you have not done enough to convince me.

Isn't it kind of ironic/circumstantial the guy posting the review that the E6300 isn't faster than the X2-4400 has the same model as OCHungry's?

So now you accuse me that I wrote that newegg "bad" review?
I show you the invoice date if that doesnt shut you up just contact newegg (or Intel) and file a complaint and make an ass of yourself.

LOL why get so worked up if it's not you?

Besides, you throw accusations around like theres no tomorrow. Xbitlabs being 'paid out' by Intel anyone? You don't seem to mind THOSE sort of accusations eh?

Hypocrite.

 

[markymoo]

@OcHungry

of all the good reviews out there you jumped on the 3 bad ones how crazy is that. theres always a percentage of bad on any product. 3% is so low you are desperate. so thats like 30 people dont like conroe and 970 pro conroe or another way lets say population 6.79 billion intel versus 210 million amd. whats the betting the 30 are people who arent so clued up and dont have good insight into what makes a good system. doesn't it speak volumes when fx62 fanboys jump ship to intel.

dont let thread die vista be out soon and we can compare 64bit results lol

keep on subject haha