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JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
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That subway pic, look like it had the most potential for injuries. If the people at the rear start pushing forward, those standing by the tracks are going over.

Are the Indian train ones regular day commutes? I read the trains really only got overloaded by pilgrims on holidays. Many of the other ones also were atypical condition for a daily commute.
 

EliteRetard

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Mar 6, 2006
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Funny thing is, crowded doesn't have to be bad. I've been to Tokyo and even though it can be very crowded they have a fantastic transport system so it's rarely an issue. At worst you have to sit/stand close enough to somebody that you touch...OH NOES! It's so vastly superior to the USA that I'd actually prefer that crowed easy commute to the idiotic terrible US system, crowded or not.

And having somebody else transport you for less than it costs to drive a car is really nice too. Then I'm also not wasting my commute time, I can use a laptop/tablet to do stuff or just goof around on a cell phone if I want. Or chat with friends or new people if I want. Or eat/drink...or sleep.

I can get across the entire country of japan fairly cheap and easy. In the US if I want to take a trip across the state or to the next one it's hours and hours of crap traffic or long boring driving. Or buy a really expensive airline ticket and spend hours dealing with terrible airport crap.

There is no efficient way to move moderate distances. Heck even commuting between to relatively close major cities is a huge PITA. In japan I can walk to a train/bus and complete the trip in under 30 minutes...in the US it takes no less than 2 hours of laborious dangerous work.

We severely need a massive update in our transportation system. Primarily a completely new network of decent speed commuter trains subways and trams connecting the major cities and all the important locations within, and including major hubs in rural areas with a a top notch bus/road system to get people out to where they need to go.

Make it a federally supported system but run by an efficient third party operated at near cost so it's cheap to use. It shouldn't cost more than a few dollars to take me from my house into the city and drop me very near my work. $15 if I'm making a longer interstate trip or including a bus ride to a rural area. $25 if I'm hopping a state line to go visit family or something. For the long multi-state or cross nation trips then we can use airlines.

Car's would still be good for local uses, and with much less traffic on the road could still be used for longer spontaneous trips or hauling stuff etc. Would make green energy electric cars far more popular and useful.
 

EliteRetard

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This was quite something. I think it is real, not a show or movie?

Never saw that once in six months there even at the busiest stations during peak hours on a holiday. Sure a few times things got quite packed, but I would say stuffing passengers like that is exceedingly rare (if it happens at all).
 

BudAshes

Lifer
Jul 20, 2003
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The entire world population could live inside the borders of Texas with a population density equal to that of NYC. I think we'll manage for awhile longer.

This is one of the all time most retarded things that gets posted over and over.
 

EliteRetard

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Mar 6, 2006
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Here's a pretty representative image of the worst you'll see in Japan:



Every seat taken and the hallway full of people, but there's still room to move about and it's not a problem getting in or out as the people are very polite and can easily move closer together to make way.

Also many people still carry their bags/briefcases etc with them instead of stowing them overhead because there is still room and it provides a bit of a buffer...the train can jostle you as it starts/stops or makes a sharp turn, a bag can also help balance you.

It never got so crowded that people HAD to stow their goods to make room.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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There is no efficient way to move moderate distances. Heck even commuting between to relatively close major cities is a huge PITA. In japan I can walk to a train/bus and complete the trip in under 30 minutes...in the US it takes no less than 2 hours of laborious dangerous work.

the US is a lot more spread out than Japan or most of Europe.

you can pretty easily get from a place like NYC to Boston, Philadelphia, or Washington DC by train... but it really makes no sense to lay down thousands of miles of tracks across empty rural areas for a high speed rail from NYC to LA (at least based on current budgetary constraints, technology, potential usage, etc)
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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Where are they going?

Members of the strict pislamic sect Jamaat Tablighi head for the annual congregation in Dhaka, Banglatrash, called the "Bishwa Ijtema" or "Bishsho Istema". It is larger than the haj, with the local police estimating the number of attendees in 2007 to be 3 million, while in 2010 the number of attendees was 5 million

http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/2013/02/jamaat-tablighi-members-on-way-by-train.html

not exactly a "daily commute" picture.
 

Lonyo

Lifer
Aug 10, 2002
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Here's a pretty representative image of the worst you'll see in Japan:



Every seat taken and the hallway full of people, but there's still room to move about and it's not a problem getting in or out as the people are very polite and can easily move closer together to make way.

Also many people still carry their bags/briefcases etc with them instead of stowing them overhead because there is still room and it provides a bit of a buffer...the train can jostle you as it starts/stops or makes a sharp turn, a bag can also help balance you.

It never got so crowded that people HAD to stow their goods to make room.

I was there for like 2 weeks and I saw much busier trains than that at peak times in Tokyo...
 

EliteRetard

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Mar 6, 2006
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the US is a lot more spread out than Japan or most of Europe.

you can pretty easily get from a place like NYC to Boston, Philadelphia, or Washington DC by train... but it really makes no sense to lay down thousands of miles of tracks across empty rural areas for a high speed rail from NYC to LA (at least based on current budgetary constraints, technology, potential usage, etc)

That's not what I said, we need a quality national network but not for cross country trips. Planes are for cross country. And "high speed" isn't necessary 60mph (city) - 200mph (interstate) is fine and can easily be done on standard track. There are several well populated states with absolutely no transit system of any kind.

Like Washington. Sure we pretend to have a bus system, and maybe a tram that goes nowhere...but there are like 6 major cities within 100 miles of each other and not even a single major highway that properly connects them. the major highways we do have are utter crap, laid out bad, poorly maintained and extremely congested.

At the same time I should be able to easily find and take a cheap train ride from say Seattle WA across the state to the Tri-Cities area or to say Portland OR.

In Japan they would have an express line that stops only at the major stops, here it would be like:

Olympia, Tacoma, Seatac, Seattle, Everett/Marysville, Mt Vernon/Burlington and Bellingham.

A mid-line that has stops between those, like say Lakewood, Fed Way, Renton, North Seattle/Mountlake Terrace, and Arlington

And a local line which makes more frequent stops or loops out to reach other populated side areas.

Like I could take a train from Olympia to Tacoma step off one train and right across the platform step onto the mid-line without leaving the station or changing tickets or anything and take it to a midway in say Fed Way.

From there I could hop on a local line that loops through Auburn, Enumclaw, Maple Valley, Covington, and Kent.

Or take a bus/cab that's timed up with, and directly from, the train station.

There are several other local loops they could make through well populated areas here as well.

From Olympia they could follow the major highway and have a train stop at Centralia, and Longview before hitting Portland. Could do a "local" loop out to the coast to grab Astoria and the other larger coastal towns in WA to connect back at Olympia. Another "local" loop that goes south from Astoria along the Oregon coast to hit their major cities. Most of Oregon is fairly well clustered as well.

Then you would drop a single line to California, which again is clustered and well populated. Run two lines across Nevada one stopping in Reno one in Las Vegas. From Reno head to Boise Idaho run a line through the rest of Oregon to the Tri-Cities area in Washington which would also loop back to Portland Grabbing the big towns on the Columbia.

Many of the less populated states you could follow a major highway and only grab the big towns. There's gonna be less track then there is road, and it's cheaper to place and maintain, is more efficient and faster than cars and is more convenient for travelers.

I could keep going, but a decent rail system in America is very possible and would be very useful. On top of the fact that you can easily fit additional lines alongside for little extra cost and use them for freight etc.

Our current rail system is extremely outdated and poorly utilized. If we hadn't thrown away billions of dollars to the garbage companies that put us into a recession we could have used that money to build new quality transit stations and develop a simple easy to use rail system that connects with local transportation companies to start this new national system. Then start revamping and adding to current lines while building out new lines to fill in all the big missing gaps. Hell the national highway system is one of the things that pulled us out of the last recession.

Hiring all the unemployed to work on this new infrastructure along with the increase in commerce, manufacturing, and other benefits would make it economically viable.

I know I'm ranting and it's unlikely anybody is going to read all this, care about it, or agree with it...and it accomplishes nothing even if they do, so I'm just gonna stop now.
 

EliteRetard

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I was there for like 2 weeks and I saw much busier trains than that at peak times in Tokyo...

Well my original picture didn't seem to work...but that's really the gist of it. That's the typical "crowded" scenario.

Like I said, I was there for months and a friend of mine has been there twice for a year of schooling and neither of us have ever seen people getting forced into trains even at the busiest stations during peak hours on holidays and such. Between us we also know quite a few people who work/live or are native Japanese and have never heard of such a situation happening with them either.

Might have had to squeeze in a bit and rub up on people a few times but it wasn't so bad. Could still get on/off a train just fine without a struggle.

I could see those extreme situations happening in a disaster scenario or something, where they need to get people out right now so they stuff them in as much as possible. Otherwise the transit system in Japan is very efficient.
 

Remobz

Platinum Member
Jun 9, 2005
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That's not what I said, we need a quality national network but not for cross country trips. Planes are for cross country. And "high speed" isn't necessary 60mph (city) - 200mph (interstate) is fine and can easily be done on standard track. There are several well populated states with absolutely no transit system of any kind.

Like Washington. Sure we pretend to have a bus system, and maybe a tram that goes nowhere...but there are like 6 major cities within 100 miles of each other and not even a single major highway that properly connects them. the major highways we do have are utter crap, laid out bad, poorly maintained and extremely congested.

At the same time I should be able to easily find and take a cheap train ride from say Seattle WA across the state to the Tri-Cities area or to say Portland OR.

In Japan they would have an express line that stops only at the major stops, here it would be like:

Olympia, Tacoma, Seatac, Seattle, Everett/Marysville, Mt Vernon/Burlington and Bellingham.

A mid-line that has stops between those, like say Lakewood, Fed Way, Renton, North Seattle/Mountlake Terrace, and Arlington

And a local line which makes more frequent stops or loops out to reach other populated side areas.

Like I could take a train from Olympia to Tacoma step off one train and right across the platform step onto the mid-line without leaving the station or changing tickets or anything and take it to a midway in say Fed Way.

From there I could hop on a local line that loops through Auburn, Enumclaw, Maple Valley, Covington, and Kent.

Or take a bus/cab that's timed up with, and directly from, the train station.

There are several other local loops they could make through well populated areas here as well.

From Olympia they could follow the major highway and have a train stop at Centralia, and Longview before hitting Portland. Could do a "local" loop out to the coast to grab Astoria and the other larger coastal towns in WA to connect back at Olympia. Another "local" loop that goes south from Astoria along the Oregon coast to hit their major cities. Most of Oregon is fairly well clustered as well.

Then you would drop a single line to California, which again is clustered and well populated. Run two lines across Nevada one stopping in Reno one in Las Vegas. From Reno head to Boise Idaho run a line through the rest of Oregon to the Tri-Cities area in Washington which would also loop back to Portland Grabbing the big towns on the Columbia.

Many of the less populated states you could follow a major highway and only grab the big towns. There's gonna be less track then there is road, and it's cheaper to place and maintain, is more efficient and faster than cars and is more convenient for travelers.

I could keep going, but a decent rail system in America is very possible and would be very useful. On top of the fact that you can easily fit additional lines alongside for little extra cost and use them for freight etc.

Our current rail system is extremely outdated and poorly utilized. If we hadn't thrown away billions of dollars to the garbage companies that put us into a recession we could have used that money to build new quality transit stations and develop a simple easy to use rail system that connects with local transportation companies to start this new national system. Then start revamping and adding to current lines while building out new lines to fill in all the big missing gaps. Hell the national highway system is one of the things that pulled us out of the last recession.

Hiring all the unemployed to work on this new infrastructure along with the increase in commerce, manufacturing, and other benefits would make it economically viable.

I know I'm ranting and it's unlikely anybody is going to read all this, care about it, or agree with it...and it accomplishes nothing even if they do, so I'm just gonna stop now.

Takes me just 15- 20 minutes to drive to work. Never longer than 30 minutes in extreme situations.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
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The overpopulation problem that was predicted many, many years ago is starting to really rear it's head.
 
Feb 19, 2001
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Here's a pretty representative image of the worst you'll see in Japan:



Every seat taken and the hallway full of people, but there's still room to move about and it's not a problem getting in or out as the people are very polite and can easily move closer together to make way.

Also many people still carry their bags/briefcases etc with them instead of stowing them overhead because there is still room and it provides a bit of a buffer...the train can jostle you as it starts/stops or makes a sharp turn, a bag can also help balance you.

It never got so crowded that people HAD to stow their goods to make room.

Disagree. I was in Japan twice in the past few months and if you arrive at the wrong time Shibuya station or Shinjuku station gets crazy. The Yamanote line is definitely very packed. I took the Metro out to Haneda back in January on a typical day and it was far more packed than that picture.

Let's not forget this video of people being packed into the Tokyo Metro.

Here's a photographer who took pictures of people being squeezed in trains.

I'm not saying it's terrible at Tokyo, but your portrayal certainly isn't correct. I've found Hong Kong and Taipei metro and train systems to be less crowded. Beijing was worse though. Throw on the horrible traffic on the roads and overall Beijing commute = death.
 
Feb 19, 2001
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the US is a lot more spread out than Japan or most of Europe.

you can pretty easily get from a place like NYC to Boston, Philadelphia, or Washington DC by train... but it really makes no sense to lay down thousands of miles of tracks across empty rural areas for a high speed rail from NYC to LA (at least based on current budgetary constraints, technology, potential usage, etc)
It's not about trains though. It's about subways. NYC is the only city that has a solid metro system. The other cities? What a joke. Covers only small portions of the city. DC or Chicago might be half decent, but when you take any of those and compare it to Asia? Wow.

I remember streaming 3G internet back in 2007. Still a dream in the SF Bay Area or the NYC Subway. Only certain stations and certain carriers even get reception. And every time the liberals advertise how they carry 300,000 riders a day on BART here, I just remember how the Yamanote line in Tokyo carries 10x of that. And the Beijing Metro carries 9 million people a day. Everytime I travel to Hong Kong or Taipei or Tokyo I'm reminded of how well people behave on subways. They're quiet, listen to music, chat on WhatsApp. In the US, excluding NYC, the subway is for the poor. They blast music. They take up extra space. They smell bad. They disturb everyone. Creepers are all over the place in the later hours.
 

EliteRetard

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Disagree. I was in Japan twice in the past few months and if you arrive at the wrong time Shibuya station or Shinjuku station gets crazy. The Yamanote line is definitely very packed. I took the Metro out to Haneda back in January on a typical day and it was far more packed than that picture.

*snip*.

Heh I took the Yamonote line all the time, was living near/in Shinjuku (Takadanababa? Don't recall the spelling).
 
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