You want ATI SLI?

[rogerhewett]

Well Dual-Core processors are coming so won't Dual-Core GPU's follow and kill SLi anyway?? Or will people like me simply say "Hey, awesome! I can run four GPU's now instead of just two!! One for each monitor sweet deal !! "

You never know

 

[ohnnyj]

Originally posted by: rogerhewett
Well Dual-Core processors are coming so won't Dual-Core GPU's follow and kill SLi anyway?? Or will people like me simply say "Hey, awesome! I can run four GPU's now instead of just two!! One for each monitor sweet deal !! "

You never know

Well you saw that ASUS board w/two Ultra GPUs on one PCB didn't you. Now take dual core GPUs and put them on a dual GPU board and run them in SLI, now you got eight cores of video card goodness. Of course I am waiting for a Cell based GPU, now that would be rather intriguing.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: ohnnyj
I think they may actually be shooting themselves in the foot by releasing for Intel first as the Athlon64s have proven themselves to be much better performers in gaming. And this is what SLI/AMR is all about really, gaming. So to release for a CPU base that is slower seems rather odd. Yes, there are more people out there that own Intel platforms and have this Intel only mentality but there are a lot (and I am venturing to say more) enthusiasts who own Athlon64/FX systems for gaming and as such would snatch up the AMR platform if available. I was interested in ATI's solution as well and still am but releasing for a platform that has shown to be deficient in gaming when you are trying to push how fast your solution is, does not seem like the best game plan.

Intel makes up something like 80+% of all shipped CPU's.
Tell me how they are shooting themselves in the foot by aiming for a slice of that market, rather than the AMD market (20% or less) which already has fierce competition (nForce).
With Intel, ATi and nVidia are both fresh to the game with SLI/AMR chipsets, and there is no dominance for either.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Rollo

The board will be for Intel processors, at least initially.

That would kill the deal for me. I think we all know how Intel SLI solutions stack up against AMD, and how Pentiums stack up against A64s for gaming in general.

Intel NF4 SLI? And Pentium is a little too general, seeing as how the Pentium M Dothan is better than the A64 clock for clock. Sure the P4s dog it, especially when a stock A64 3000+ can often keep up with a 3.6GHz P4 in games.

I'm at leaset happy that ATI's solution looks as if it wont require a bridge. It should hopefully force nVidia to stop charing premiums for their SLI chipset and bridge.

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: Rollo

The board will be for Intel processors, at least initially.

That would kill the deal for me. I think we all know how Intel SLI solutions stack up against AMD, and how Pentiums stack up against A64s for gaming in general.

Intel NF4 SLI? And Pentium is a little too general, seeing as how the Pentium M Dothan is better than the A64 clock for clock. Sure the P4s dog it, especially when a stock A64 3000+ can often keep up with a 3.6GHz P4 in games.

I'm at leaset happy that ATI's solution looks as if it wont require a bridge. It should hopefully force nVidia to stop charing premiums for their SLI chipset and bridge.

I think that the PM Dothan is more like Equal to the AMD64 clock for clock, well thats what ive been reading on many reviews.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: ohnnyj
I think they may actually be shooting themselves in the foot by releasing for Intel first as the Athlon64s have proven themselves to be much better performers in gaming. And this is what SLI/AMR is all about really, gaming. So to release for a CPU base that is slower seems rather odd. Yes, there are more people out there that own Intel platforms and have this Intel only mentality but there are a lot (and I am venturing to say more) enthusiasts who own Athlon64/FX systems for gaming and as such would snatch up the AMR platform if available. I was interested in ATI's solution as well and still am but releasing for a platform that has shown to be deficient in gaming when you are trying to push how fast your solution is, does not seem like the best game plan.

Intel makes up something like 80+% of all shipped CPU's.
Tell me how they are shooting themselves in the foot by aiming for a slice of that market, rather than the AMD market (20% or less) which already has fierce competition (nForce).
With Intel, ATi and nVidia are both fresh to the game with SLI/AMR chipsets, and there is no dominance for either.

However, I would like to see stats for their market share on high end gaming computers that would use SLI, much lower I'd imagine.

Anyway, this is good news for all because competition is good for us as consumers as is choice.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: ohnnyj

Originally posted by: rogerhewett
Well Dual-Core processors are coming so won't Dual-Core GPU's follow and kill SLi anyway?? Or will people like me simply say "Hey, awesome! I can run four GPU's now instead of just two!! One for each monitor sweet deal !! "

You never know

Well you saw that ASUS board w/two Ultra GPUs on one PCB didn't you. Now take dual core GPUs and put them on a dual GPU board and run them in SLI, now you got eight cores of video card goodness. Of course I am waiting for a Cell based GPU, now that would be rather intriguing.

No, I didn't see that card. I've seen the Gigabyte board the two 6600GT chips on it, but not a board with two Ultras... Sounds interesting, got a link?

However, I would like to see stats for their market share on high end gaming computers that would use SLI, much lower I'd imagine.

Anyway, this is good news for all because competition is good for us as consumers as is choice.

Agreed... Any gamer that knows jack about PC's that is in the market for a cpu right now would most likely opt for A64. As far as multi-card solutions go, it just wouldn't make sense to invest in the most expensive video card setup and then hamstring it with a cpu that will lose you >10% of your FPS off the top (comparing the most expensive from each camp).

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2353&p=9

 

[ohnnyj]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: ohnnyj

Originally posted by: rogerhewett
Well Dual-Core processors are coming so won't Dual-Core GPU's follow and kill SLi anyway?? Or will people like me simply say "Hey, awesome! I can run four GPU's now instead of just two!! One for each monitor sweet deal !! "

You never know

Well you saw that ASUS board w/two Ultra GPUs on one PCB didn't you. Now take dual core GPUs and put them on a dual GPU board and run them in SLI, now you got eight cores of video card goodness. Of course I am waiting for a Cell based GPU, now that would be rather intriguing.

No, I didn't see that card. I've seen the Gigabyte board the two 6600GT chips on it, but not a board with two Ultras... Sounds interesting, got a link?

However, I would like to see stats for their market share on high end gaming computers that would use SLI, much lower I'd imagine.

Anyway, this is good news for all because competition is good for us as consumers as is choice.

Agreed... Any gamer that knows jack about PC's that is in the market for a cpu right now would most likely opt for A64. As far as multi-card solutions go, it just wouldn't make sense to invest in the most expensive video card setup and then hamstring it with a cpu that will lose you >10% of your FPS off the top (comparing the most expensive from each camp).

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2353&p=9

Check this out.

 

[leedog2007]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: ohnnyj
I think they may actually be shooting themselves in the foot by releasing for Intel first as the Athlon64s have proven themselves to be much better performers in gaming. And this is what SLI/AMR is all about really, gaming. So to release for a CPU base that is slower seems rather odd. Yes, there are more people out there that own Intel platforms and have this Intel only mentality but there are a lot (and I am venturing to say more) enthusiasts who own Athlon64/FX systems for gaming and as such would snatch up the AMR platform if available. I was interested in ATI's solution as well and still am but releasing for a platform that has shown to be deficient in gaming when you are trying to push how fast your solution is, does not seem like the best game plan.

Intel makes up something like 80+% of all shipped CPU's.
Tell me how they are shooting themselves in the foot by aiming for a slice of that market, rather than the AMD market (20% or less) which already has fierce competition (nForce).
With Intel, ATi and nVidia are both fresh to the game with SLI/AMR chipsets, and there is no dominance for either.

However, I would like to see stats for their market share on high end gaming computers that would use SLI, much lower I'd imagine.

Anyway, this is good news for all because competition is good for us as consumers as is choice.

Rollo said something good about ATI????

 

[larry89]

I hate technology, always moving and moving and moving...

 

[OnEMoReTrY]

Originally posted by: larry89
I hate technology, always moving and moving and moving...

Yes me too, why dont we all just go play pong..

 

[nRollo]

Rollo said something good about ATI????

You're new to the the board leedog2007.

I have purchased/used every flagship ATI card goign back to the Rage Fury, and some of them going back to VESA days.

I have nothing against ATI, I just don't think this current rehash of the R300 is the right buy these days due to it's lacking feature set. I imagine all will be well with them again with the release of the R520 based GPUs.

(and even though I don't think ATI is the way to go for a long term purchase now, I loved my X800XT PE- very powerful card)

 

[leedog2007]

I know, you told me about them, but I heard you also work for nvidia, and reading your previous posts, you LOVE your employer. btw, where is you x850xt pe?

edit: and yes, i am new and green.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: leedog2007
I know, you told me about them, but I heard you also work for nvidia, and reading your previous posts, you LOVE your employer. btw, where is you x850xt pe?

edit: and yes, i am new and green.

:roll:

I work for a software firm in Wisconsin? As much fun as working for nVidia or ATI would be, I don't.

 

[ronnn]

Likely ATI dual gpu will be only for sales people and hard core benchmarkers. Most buyers will select a single card solution. :beer:

 

[leedog2007]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: leedog2007
I know, you told me about them, but I heard you also work for nvidia, and reading your previous posts, you LOVE your employer. btw, where is you x850xt pe?

edit: and yes, i am new and green.

:roll:

I work for a software firm in Wisconsin? As much fun as working for nVidia or ATI would be, I don't.

sorry rollo. i just proved your point.

 

[edmundoab]

I think its better if ATI stick to their single slot.
they can do very well with their own ideas.

SLI was 3dfx idea anyway

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn
Likely ATI dual gpu will be only for sales people and hard core benchmarkers. Most buyers will select a single card solution. :beer:

There's nothing "benchmarker" about what SLI does for gaming Ronnn. Being able to run all your games at 16X124X8X+ on quality settings at least is VERY good stuff.

UT2004 seems like a different game to me now.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: ohnnyj
Check this out.

Wow, that is huge... I can not even imagine how much Asus would charge for that.

Originally posted by: edmundoab
I think its better if ATI stick to their single slot.
they can do very well with their own ideas.

SLI was 3dfx idea anyway

I don't think that ATi is working on AMR because they have a whole lot of better ideas up their sleeve.

 

[ohnnyj]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: ohnnyj
Check this out.

Wow, that is huge... I can not even imagine how much Asus would charge for that.

I doubt it will make it to market, especially as it now looks. I mean who wants a video card the size of a motherboard .

 

[ohnnyj]

I never saw this before but over at www.pcper.com I found a link to www.hexus.net about the very motherboard that was originally posted and in the brief article they say that AMR = MVP (Multi Visual Processing). So the code name is MVP not AMR.

Linkage.

 

[nitromullet]

MVP supports split frame rendering using supertiling, where the screen is split up into tiled areas with each tile processed on a GPU

That's interesting... I wonder if that means 2 "tiles", top and bottom, like SLI, or it it means that the screen is divided up between the cards like a checkerboard.

Originally posted by: nitromullet
Either way, ATi's marketing department has their work cut out for them... This is a graphics card web forum, and more than half of you are referring to ATi's AMR as "ATi's SLI".

Or not... seeing as how it's called "MVP".

 

[sbuckler]

All this talk of software implementation, no hard link between the cards and tiling sounds less efficient on the surface then what nvidia has. By tiling they'll just split the screen into a number of tiles then each card takes a tile and starts drawing, when it's finished it grabs the next undrawn tile, and so on.
The more tiles the better the load balancing you can do (i.e. getting both cards to work flat out) but the less efficient each graphics card becomes as there's an overhead in trying to work out what to draw and what's not too (because it's not visible), this is multiplied by the number of tiles.
Nvidia SLI effectively has 2 tiles, but can dynamically alter the size of each to load balance. They also have some method of alternate frame rendering, which is what most games seem to use. They also have a hard link between each card so don't need to use PCI bus to share data which is more efficent.

However x850's are faster then 6800's so that might even out loss of performance from their SLI approach.

 

[Cheesetogo]

Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
Will we be able to use our currnet ati cards, such as the x850xt in this board (in a dual configuration)?

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Cheesetogo

Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
Will we be able to use our currnet ati cards, such as the x850xt in this board (in a dual configuration)?

I believe that is the general idea, but no official details have been released yet.