Young Earth Creationism....Fail

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SparkyJJO

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I love how everyone states that evolution, big bang, etc is fact, yet everyone forgets that it is a theory, and there is no solid proof of any of it
 

lxskllr

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I love how everyone states that evolution, big bang, etc is fact, yet everyone forgets that it is a theory, and there is no solid proof of any of it

It's closer to fact than a book of fairy tales is. The theories haven't been disproven, in contrast to the fairy tales which have been disproven from several different angles.
 

Jeff7

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I love how everyone states that evolution, big bang, etc is fact, yet everyone forgets that it is a theory, and there is no solid proof of any of it
Oy....here we go again with the theory crowd.
(Assuming it's not sarcasm.)


Yeah, and how electrons work is theory, but we seem to do a damn good job of predicting their behavior, at least on the macro scale. Once you get down to the really tiny scales, and the quantum realm and all that, then they start doing some crazy stuff. But I'm sure particle and quantum physicists know a lot more about what goes on down there than I do. I mean, I can go and I still can't see anything that tiny.


It's closer to fact than a book of fairy tales is. The theories haven't been disproven, in contrast to the fairy tales which have been disproven from several different angles.
And the evidence to support them is as nonexistent as the deities to whom the events are attributed.
 

SparkyJJO

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yah, you forgot to add gravity too...silly scientists

Gravity is hardly proof of any evolutionary or big bang theory. Yeah, it is a theory, but the evidence of gravity is clearly visible. Drop something, it falls. We know how it works.

It's closer to fact than a book of fairy tales is. The theories haven't been disproven, in contrast to the fairy tales which have been disproven from several different angles.

"Closer to the fact" does not make it fact.

And I'd like you to prove that it is closer, and prove that creationism has been disproven.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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How people believe that our earth is 6,000 years old is beyond me. The fact that these beliefs are still around today just absolutely baffles me.

I recently got into a debate with a couple of these ignoramuses. In the picture below you will probably laugh, probably become frustrated, and maybe even cry.

http://members.cox.net/oriont3/youngearthcreationistfails.jpg

There are a lot of idiots in this world. Sadly, the internet has given them a voice that they should never have.
 

surfsatwerk

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Gravity is hardly proof of any evolutionary or big bang theory.



"Closer to the fact" does not make it fact.

And I'd like you to prove that it is closer, and prove that creationism has been disproven.

Please refrain from comparing your creationist world of make believe to work produced by real science.

Real science is the stuff that doesn't use some magic ghost in the sky to make their theories work.
 

sandorski

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Gravity is hardly proof of any evolutionary or big bang theory. Yeah, it is a theory, but the evidence of gravity is clearly visible. Drop something, it falls. We know how it works.



"Closer to the fact" does not make it fact.

And I'd like you to prove that it is closer, and prove that creationism has been disproven.

Oy vey, some people never Learn.
 

TheShiz

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old earth creationism is not much better. I hope I get to see the day we have a president who is an atheist. That would be the true next step. I hope in 500 years people look back and laugh at how religion was so common back in the day. Just what is so bad about facing reality that people turn to outrageous ancient stories? I'll never understand it. If you think the people that created things like scientology are loons realize that whoever created your religion is no different. They all play on people's insecurity and have zero proof of their claims.
 

zinfamous

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Gravity is hardly proof of any evolutionary or big bang theory. Yeah, it is a theory, but the evidence of gravity is clearly visible. Drop something, it falls. We know how it works.

That is a rather infantile understanding of "the proof" of how we know gravity works.

The simple fact is that there is far more evidence supporting evolution through natural selection than there is supporting our theory of gravity. It is observational on many levels. There are far more tests available and angles with which to examine and explain the many, many ways in which evolution acts that there remains no foundation with which to credibly deny it as a natural law.
 

Jeff7

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old earth creationism is not much better. I hope I get to see the day we have a president who is an atheist. That would be the true next step. I hope in 500 years people look back and laugh at how religion was so common back in the day. Just what is so bad about facing reality that people turn to outrageous ancient stories? I'll never understand it. If you think the people that created things like scientology are loons realize that whoever created your religion is no different. They all play on people's insecurity and have zero proof of their claims.
Well heck, we already do that - we just don't do it for the Religion of the Century, the ones which happen to be the fad in the here and now.
I was taught about "Greek mythology" in gradeschool. Myth, ancient myth. It wasn't taught as a legitimate religion, because that - that would just be silly. Zeus, Aphrodite, Ares, Hades? Are you kidding me? But yeah, Yaweh and Jesus, they're the real deal. We're sure this time, we got this religion thing nailed down.

Religion theory - always evolving.:awe:




Gravity is hardly proof of any evolutionary or big bang theory. Yeah, it is a theory, but the evidence of gravity is clearly visible. Drop something, it falls. We know how it works.
No, we know that it works.
A caveman could tell you that the Sun is bright, and that sunlight feels warm.
That doesn't mean he could explain nuclear fusion to you.

Scientific theory exists which could explain how gravity works, via all that space/time warping. But thus far, we don't really have a Spacetime Curvometer that we can wave around and say, "Yep, it's really bendy here."
And some laws of gravity over the years have turned out to be wrong. Newtonian physics is wrong. It doesn't account for relativity, and then there's the whole quantum gravity thing.
But you know what? Newtonian physics is darn close for most of what we do day to day. It's not right, but you know, when relativistic effects account for a 0.000000000000023% error in what you're working on, you probably aren't going to care.

Now, if you're working on the Large Hadron Collider, moving stuff at 99.9999996% the speed of light, or however insanely close to c it is, then relativity is quite important, and going by Newton's laws would pretty much screw you over.



And I'd like you to prove that it is closer, and prove that creationism has been disproven.
I shall now post all legitimate evidence supporting Creationism, complete with source citations.

"God did it." [1]




[1] - Source: Holy Bible. [2]
[2] - God. [1]


That was easy.
 
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StageLeft

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The simple fact is that there is far more evidence supporting evolution through natural selection than there is supporting our theory of gravity.
If that was the case, I could fly. Evolution is far less understood, specifically how life even began, which has not been observed, has not been repeated.
 
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Gravity is hardly proof of any evolutionary or big bang theory. Yeah, it is a theory, but the evidence of gravity is clearly visible. Drop something, it falls. We know how it works.

I'd say something more along the lines of "we know how gravity will act", but we certainly cannot clearly say why gravity is doing what it does.

And the big bang has plenty of evidence for it - #1 being background radiation.
 
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If that was the case, I could fly. Evolution is far less understood, specifically how life even began, which has not been observed, has not been repeated.

How life began is not encased within the theory of evolution. Evolution only explains how we got from primitive lifeforms to where we stand today.
 

SparkyJJO

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Please refrain from comparing your creationist world of make believe to work produced by real science.

Real science is the stuff that doesn't use some magic ghost in the sky to make their theories work.

Oy vey, some people never Learn.

Both of you fail. Just throwing random comments contributes nothing. Maybe you can't really refute what I said so that's the best you can do?

That is a rather infantile understanding of "the proof" of how we know gravity works.

The simple fact is that there is far more evidence supporting evolution through natural selection than there is supporting our theory of gravity. It is observational on many levels. There are far more tests available and angles with which to examine and explain the many, many ways in which evolution acts that there remains no foundation with which to credibly deny it as a natural law.

Natural selection I totally agree with. But natural selection != evolution or cause it. Sure some slight adaptations may happen, but never changes one species into another.

I'd say something more along the lines of "we know how gravity will act", but we certainly cannot clearly say why gravity is doing what it does.

And the big bang has plenty of evidence for it - #1 being background radiation.

OK, so where did the stuff and that background radiation come from in the first place? Had to come from somewhere


Now pardon me but I have some work I need to get done around here.
 
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Jeff7

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If that was the case, I could fly. Evolution is far less understood, specifically how life even began, which has not been observed, has not been repeated.
I miss :confused; right now.


Ancient people didn't understand nuclear fusion, but that didn't mean they could create blasts of million-degree plasma at will.

We've seen evolution work, we've even guided it on many occasions. (Agriculture.)
The only only only reason you can't watch "species" changing into other ones drastically different is because you don't live long enough.
 

StageLeft

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I miss :confused; right now.


Ancient people didn't understand nuclear fusion, but that didn't mean they could create blasts of million-degree plasma at will.

We've seen evolution work, we've even guided it on many occasions. (Agriculture.)
The only only only reason you can't watch "species" changing into other ones drastically different is because you don't live long enough.
Have agriculturalists really created new species or just variants?
 

ShadowOfMyself

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OK, so where did the stuff and that background radiation come from in the first place? Had to come from somewhere

... Why do religious people only come up with ironic arguments? HELLO? WHO CREATED GOD? WHERE DID HE COME FROM?

Theres no doubt we will eventually self destruct, humanity is just too stupid
 

surfsatwerk

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Both of you fail. Just throwing random comments contributes nothing. Maybe you can't really refute what I said so that's the best you can do?

It wasn't my job to make you pay attention in biology class when you were in high school. You can't come in here and propose an idea that is utter bullshit and expect reasonable responses.
 
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Gravity is hardly proof of any evolutionary or And I'd like you to prove that it is closer, and prove that creationism has been disproven.

I can't prove God doesn't exist any more than you can prove he does.

You can point to the Earth and say, "See, something must have created it. It's here isn't it? Only God has the power to create a planet or a Universe, so it must have been him."

I can say, "All the matter in the Universe was once contained within an infintessimally small point - a singularity - so utterly tiny that we can't even conceive of it. For some reason it burst forth in the most violent explosion in the history of our Universe. The matter coalesced into stars and planets and everything that exists within the Universe as we know it."

"But who created the singularity?" you might reasonably inquire. "Surely it must have had a creator. Perhaps we could call that creator God."

"Who created that God? Did he have a creator that made him? Did he blink into existence of his own volition?"

"He's God. He can do that."

"Gotcha."

That's when this ceases to be a productive area of discussion. Alternately, when I ask "Who created God," an atheist could pop up and say "Humans," at which point we've effectively demonstrated that humans created the Universe. So go us.
 

zinfamous

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If that was the case, I could fly. Evolution is far less understood, specifically how life even began, which has not been observed, has not been repeated.

your lacking logic here. Your ability to fly has nothing to do with anyone's knowledge of evolution or gravity.

also, evolution is not concerned with the origin of life.
 
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