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91TTZ

Lifer
Jan 31, 2005
14,374
1
0
Originally posted by: scorpmatt


wow, you need more :beer:, weight will still affect you at top speed. drag causes more weight, get rid of that too.


WRONG.

Weight has hardly any affect on top speed at all. Top speed is almost entirely limited by the ability of your engine to overcome aerodynamic drag.

Drag squares with velocity, so it adds up extemely quickly.

Please, children, don't argue with someone who is much more knowledgeable than you in the automotive subject.
 

andylawcc

Lifer
Mar 9, 2000
18,183
3
81
Originally posted by: scorpmatt
wow, you need more :beer:, weight will still affect you at top speed. drag causes more weight, get rid of that too.


I would agree with 91ttz, a 300lb person can still run as fast as a 100lb dude, it doesn't mean he will be 1/3 slower, he just cant accelerate as fast.
 

scorpmatt

Diamond Member
Feb 8, 2001
7,040
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: scorpmatt


wow, you need more :beer:, weight will still affect you at top speed. drag causes more weight, get rid of that too.


WRONG.

Weight has hardly any affect on top speed at all. Top speed is almost entirely limited by the ability of your engine to overcome aerodynamic drag.

Drag squares with velocity, so it adds up extemely quickly.

Please, children, don't argue with someone who is much more knowledgeable than you in the automotive subject.

did you read? drag causes more weight, yes I know you need some weight to keep you on the ground, but there are ways around. make the car lighter, I know it sounds like ricer knowledge, but it does affect you at higher speeds.
 

PowerMac4Ever

Banned
Dec 9, 2000
5,246
0
0
Originally posted by: scorpmatt
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: scorpmatt


wow, you need more :beer:, weight will still affect you at top speed. drag causes more weight, get rid of that too.


WRONG.

Weight has hardly any affect on top speed at all. Top speed is almost entirely limited by the ability of your engine to overcome aerodynamic drag.

Drag squares with velocity, so it adds up extemely quickly.

Please, children, don't argue with someone who is much more knowledgeable than you in the automotive subject.

did you read? drag causes more weight, yes I know you need some weight to keep you on the ground, but there are ways around. make the car lighter, I know it sounds like ricer knowledge, but it does affect you at higher speeds.
me thinks 91ttz doesn't know the difference between weight and mass...
 

Howard

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
47,982
10
81
Originally posted by: scorpmatt
Originally posted by: clarkey01
Originally posted by: AMDman12GHz
Originally posted by: clarkey01
3. Bugatti Veyon (spelling) V16 with four turbo's, just for the sheer 1001 BHP really.



Actually that has a W 16 Engine.

Yep sorry your right, but 1001 BHP in a road car Only does 7 miles per hour more then a Mclaren F1

weight. if they could make the bugatti lighter it would go faster
Are you talking about top speed? He's talking about top speed.
 

Howard

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
47,982
10
81
Originally posted by: scorpmatt
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: scorpmatt


wow, you need more :beer:, weight will still affect you at top speed. drag causes more weight, get rid of that too.


WRONG.

Weight has hardly any affect on top speed at all. Top speed is almost entirely limited by the ability of your engine to overcome aerodynamic drag.

Drag squares with velocity, so it adds up extemely quickly.

Please, children, don't argue with someone who is much more knowledgeable than you in the automotive subject.

did you read? drag causes more weight, yes I know you need some weight to keep you on the ground, but there are ways around. make the car lighter, I know it sounds like ricer knowledge, but it does affect you at higher speeds.
You mean downforce and not drag, right?

So what does the downforce do? Increase friction a bit?
 

arcenite

Lifer
Dec 9, 2001
10,660
7
81
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: scorpmatt
Originally posted by: clarkey01
Originally posted by: AMDman12GHz
Originally posted by: clarkey01
3. Bugatti Veyon (spelling) V16 with four turbo's, just for the sheer 1001 BHP really.



Actually that has a W 16 Engine.

Yep sorry your right, but 1001 BHP in a road car Only does 7 miles per hour more then a Mclaren F1

weight. if they could make the bugatti lighter it would go faster
Are you talking about top speed? He's talking about top speed.

As opposed to bottom speed?
 

91TTZ

Lifer
Jan 31, 2005
14,374
1
0
Originally posted by: scorpmatt
did you read? drag causes more weight, yes I know you need some weight to keep you on the ground, but there are ways around. make the car lighter, I know it sounds like ricer knowledge, but it does affect you at higher speeds.

Huh? How does drag cause more weight? If you tow a parachute behind your car, it makes it heavier? NO.

Rolling resistance does not change much with speed, by top speed it's only a miniscule influence. But aerodynamic drag squares with speed. As you can see, after a few mph, drag overcomes rolling resistance as the predominant cause of parasitic drag, and as the speed gets higher the margin gets wider and wider. By the time you're up near top speed, nearly all of your parasitic drag is due to aerodynamic drag.

Put it this way- a person doesn't even produce 1 hp but he can easily put a car to running speed. However, by top speed, the drag is eating up everything the engine can produce. By about 175 mph, my car's engine putting out 400 hp can't push it any faster. Wind resistance is eating up all the power that's getting to my wheels, about 340 hp.
 

MikeMike

Lifer
Feb 6, 2000
45,885
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GM 442.

rare engine, stock and powerful

LS6. extremely light, extremely powerful, extremely easy to mod, extreme.

 

Howard

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
47,982
10
81
Originally posted by: scorpmatt
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: scorpmatt


wow, you need more :beer:, weight will still affect you at top speed. drag causes more weight, get rid of that too.


WRONG.

Weight has hardly any affect on top speed at all. Top speed is almost entirely limited by the ability of your engine to overcome aerodynamic drag.

Drag squares with velocity, so it adds up extemely quickly.

Please, children, don't argue with someone who is much more knowledgeable than you in the automotive subject.

did you read? drag causes more weight, yes I know you need some weight to keep you on the ground, but there are ways around. make the car lighter, I know it sounds like ricer knowledge, but it does affect you at higher speeds.
You still need to explain how weight affects top speed.
 

Howard

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
47,982
10
81
Originally posted by: arcenite
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: scorpmatt
Originally posted by: clarkey01
Originally posted by: AMDman12GHz
Originally posted by: clarkey01
3. Bugatti Veyon (spelling) V16 with four turbo's, just for the sheer 1001 BHP really.



Actually that has a W 16 Engine.

Yep sorry your right, but 1001 BHP in a road car Only does 7 miles per hour more then a Mclaren F1

weight. if they could make the bugatti lighter it would go faster
Are you talking about top speed? He's talking about top speed.

As opposed to bottom speed?
 

jurzdevil

Golden Member
Feb 3, 2002
1,258
0
0
anything without a computer or electronically controlled aspects. something where you have to know whats going on to fix it, not just look up an error code or plug it in to a computer.
 

MikeMike

Lifer
Feb 6, 2000
45,885
66
91
Originally posted by: scorpmatt
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: scorpmatt


wow, you need more :beer:, weight will still affect you at top speed. drag causes more weight, get rid of that too.


WRONG.

Weight has hardly any affect on top speed at all. Top speed is almost entirely limited by the ability of your engine to overcome aerodynamic drag.

Drag squares with velocity, so it adds up extemely quickly.

Please, children, don't argue with someone who is much more knowledgeable than you in the automotive subject.

did you read? drag causes more weight, yes I know you need some weight to keep you on the ground, but there are ways around. make the car lighter, I know it sounds like ricer knowledge, but it does affect you at higher speeds.

drag cant cause more weight, thats not possible.
drag can cause downforce, but not weight.
 

PowerMac4Ever

Banned
Dec 9, 2000
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0
0
Originally posted by: jurzdevil
anything without a computer or electronically controlled aspects. something where you have to know whats going on to fix it, not just look up an error code or plug it in to a computer.
You and Ornery should date.
 

MaxFusion16

Golden Member
Dec 21, 2001
1,512
1
0
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: scorpmatt
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: scorpmatt


wow, you need more :beer:, weight will still affect you at top speed. drag causes more weight, get rid of that too.


WRONG.

Weight has hardly any affect on top speed at all. Top speed is almost entirely limited by the ability of your engine to overcome aerodynamic drag.

Drag squares with velocity, so it adds up extemely quickly.

Please, children, don't argue with someone who is much more knowledgeable than you in the automotive subject.

did you read? drag causes more weight, yes I know you need some weight to keep you on the ground, but there are ways around. make the car lighter, I know it sounds like ricer knowledge, but it does affect you at higher speeds.
You still need to explain how weight affects top speed.

i think he's trying to say downforce.
 

91TTZ

Lifer
Jan 31, 2005
14,374
1
0
Sorry, but it's time for me to own you.


educate yourself.

A common misconception about attempting to go fast is that it's important to get the bike light, as vehicles must be in most other forms of racing. If you have enough track to truly reach top speed, however, lightness becomes irrelevant. Light weight only helps acceleration. Once you stop accelerating, assuming that you won't need to change direction, light weight becomes a negative factor rather than a positive one. In fact, more weight is better because it lessens wheelspin

educate yourself more.

While a heavy car would accelerate slower, top speed would be affected very little.

 
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