Your Take on Ryzen? Worth buying or stick to Intel

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cfenton

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I have a 3570K at the moment and my primary CPU intensive activity is gaming. Ryzen looks great for content creators, but doesn't offer much for games with reasonably modern hardware. I want to play at 1440p/60FPS and not very many current games are CPU bound at that resolution and target frame rate. If I was forced to buy a new PC today, then I'd probably buy an R7 1700 over a 7700K since I'd be expecting my choice to last 4-6 years and I believe, someday, there will actually be a benefit to having more cores in most games. However, I don't see much reason to upgrade from my 3570K at the moment with my current workload.
 
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IndyColtsFan

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This is not a disastrous Bulldozer rehash...yet.

It still has the potential to be a disaster, which was something I really did not expect.

I disagree and don't see how it could be a disaster. They've basically improved to BW levels of IPC at half the price and are just having some weird issues in gaming benchmarks, which will possibly be resolved. The Bulldozer launch was much, much different and it couldn't even beat a Phenom II in IPC, let alone Sandy Bridge.
 
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Haserath

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Would like to see it tested in games with disabled SMT and 3000Mhz+ memory to see if it benefits. It looks worth it for anyone that doesn't just game but we'll see if anything fixes the poor gaming performance.
 

JimKiler

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I finally read Tom's review of the Ryzen and holy cow hopefully AMD can make headway into workstations with their performance there and if that performance is good to me that means this is a good architecture and needs optimization for games that are not solely reliant on single core speed. I don't think this is bulldozer all over again because games are starting to take advantage of multi core more and more and AMD is investing in game optimization significantly more this time.
 
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sirmo

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When Bulldozer came out, it was hopeless. We knew no matter what they did they couldn't fix the fundamental flaws with the CPU. Zen looks completely different. Looks like an architecture with tons of promise. I am kind of excited to see what Zen2 brings already.
 

desura

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Mar 22, 2013
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The only time I've found a faster processor necessary is when transcoding videos on handbrake.

Other than that, for most gaming, a Sandy Bridge i5 is more than enough. I have an Ivy Bridge i5 and I can't imagine needing anything faster.

I really wish I had held onto this stock longer. What a missed opportunity!!
 

brandonmatic

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I'm very impressed with Ryzen. They've caught up to Intel in a lot of areas, although not all, and are offering something that is actually causing Intel to have to adjust its prices a bit. That is pretty incredible given how horribly uncompetitive AMD was in the past few years. I think AMD now has a great architecture they can push and refine going forward to keep the pressure on Intel. As of now I think I'm going to finally upgrade my old warhorse i7 860 to a R5 1600X when it comes out.
 

Ajay

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Jan 8, 2001
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It's exactly what was promised wasn't it? Strongly improved IPC with strong multi-core performance. Gaming is also strong at 1440p and above. Let's face it, if you are gaming on a 8 core cpu you probably aren't on a 1080p panel anyway


It's better than was promised. If Ryzen only had a 40% increase in IPC, it would have been a dog - so kudos to AMD for that.
 

SPBHM

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Sep 12, 2012
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I think the 1700 with some OC is a great product, amazing perf/$ for MT work, probably good enough for gaming;
yet I feel a little disappointed yet again with an AMD launch, I think their hype machine worked to hard this past month, but the platform doesn't feel that ready when they are rushing bios updates non stop; also a lot of their marketing targeted gamers, when they release a product with some obvious problems for exactly that (like SMT clearly reducing performance), I'm afraid the damage is done in this regard, even if they have it all polished in a few weeks, hopefully by the time they release R5 it's all going smoothly and reviews will show that, specially in gaming...

would I buy it? well, the 1700 yes, if I was sure to do a lot of MT work (or for a gaming PC if you plan to keep it for a long time perhaps...), the others I don't think justify their price all that well...
also I think they can gain a lot with some optimization, with the process maturing, so I feel inclined to say that waiting a while for newer revisions of Ryzen might be worth it,

It's a shame because it really is a good CPU, an amazing effort by AMD coming back from Bulldolzer, perhaps, in the end, they should've waited a little longer for a smoother launch?
 

Elixer

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May 7, 2002
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My take is 1800X is not worth it but 1700 is unbelievable value.
Not worth it compared to what exactly? This is highly a use case thing.

Oh, and I fully agree that AMD's marketing is still bad, better than before, but, still bad.
Not sure what the deal is, or who is making the final decisions, but, they need to find someone better.
 

SlickR12345

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Lets take it for what it is shall we? The 1800x is equal to the 6900k in most cases. There are some extreme edge cases in specific programs that Intel still wins even up to 15% and 20%, but for the most part in the known and more important applications it goes neck and neck with the 6900K, all the while being $600 cheaper.

The 1700 also destroys the 7700k at office work, creativity, data processing, content creation, etc..., while it is slower for gaming at 1080p, if you are going for a $300+ processor you are probably already gaming at 1440p or higher and at that point it doesn't matter.

In terms of comparing 8 cores and 16 threads for gaming it does decent. All processors when compared to 8 core counterparts perform well enough, though obviously loose to the more focused and higher clocker 4 core intel competitors.

I think a lot of the issues are just unoptimized code in games and applications, probably some more work in terms of improving their fetcher and cache for AMD to be able to handle games and certain programs better, etc...

I think with a few bios updates, few chipset updates and some code optimizations on behalf of game and application developers it will become even more competitive.

I think right now the value is great. You get 8 cores and 167 threads for $330 at the cheapest, that is huge value and it will outperform any 4 core in terms of multithreading. But if you want to game and you game at 1440p or higher, than its also a great choice.

I also know that the limited memory speed is hurting it as well. Most of the tests were done with 2400MHz memory, which is slow in terms of DDR4. Again we are probably looking a month from now until AMD can deliver higher memory speeds support through bios!
 
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iiiankiii

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For me, it's easy. I will recommend the 1700 all day long to my friends and family. You have to remember that streaming games and creating content is becoming the norm. Considering that people upgrade their PC at snail's pace, a solid 8c/16t CPU is going to be much, much, much more future proof than a 4c/8t.

Having said that, most people with a 3700k and up shouldn't upgrade anyways. It's pretty much good enough for day to day task and gaming. But, Ryzen is great option for those that are looking to upgrade from their 5 year old PC. the 1700 is much more flexible than anything Intel offers at the $300 range; hands down.
 

CHADBOGA

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I really want to see how the R5 Ryzen's perform and what the gap is between a 6 core Ryzen vs an 8 core Ryzen, in both performance and price.
 

UsandThem

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I think the 1700 with some OC is a great product, amazing perf/$ for MT work, probably good enough for gaming;
yet I feel a little disappointed yet again with an AMD launch, I think their hype machine worked to hard this past month, but the platform doesn't feel that ready when they are rushing bios updates non stop; also a lot of their marketing targeted gamers, when they release a product with some obvious problems for exactly that (like SMT clearly reducing performance), I'm afraid the damage is done in this regard, even if they have it all polished in a few weeks, hopefully by the time they release R5 it's all going smoothly and reviews will show that, specially in gaming...

would I buy it? well, the 1700 yes, if I was sure to do a lot of MT work (or for a gaming PC if you plan to keep it for a long time perhaps...), the others I don't think justify their price all that well...
also I think they can gain a lot with some optimization, with the process maturing, so I feel inclined to say that waiting a while for newer revisions of Ryzen might be worth it,

It's a shame because it really is a good CPU, an amazing effort by AMD coming back from Bulldolzer, perhaps, in the end, they should've waited a little longer for a smoother launch?

I agree they could have handled the last second BIOS updates better, and they probably needed to delay the launch. However, if they had delayed the launch, every message board out there would be filled with outrage, and it would have disrupted too many partners/customers. So they really had no choice but to go with the date they gave. It was really a no win situation.

As far as performance goes, this is where I stand on it. I have seen so many posts where people talk about the CPU as it's not good for gaming. However, when I look at the various reviews, I do see it trailing Intel's top CPUs. Although the difference is not that large for most of the games. For a brand new launch I think that is pretty good, but I would never personally pre-order a component based on hype. I want to see actual reviews from reputable sites first, and those don't come from WCCF and random YouTube people. There's some issues/concerns they need to fix, and there will be many BIOS, Windows, and software updates on the way. It will be interesting to see how things progress over the next several weeks. I still wouldn't recommend it for people who wouldn't be willing to deal with some of the early "headaches", as all new platforms feature many BIOS/driver/OS updates.

I guess when I read a while back that AMD was releasing a new CPU, I would read the various updates about its design and progress, but I never commented in any thread about it. I am the furthest from a "fanboy" as they come. I would just wait until it was launched and reviewed before making any decisions about it. However, you have had a lot of people on many tech sites that have been doing the back-and-forth that goes on with any "big" release. Ryzen had been debated every which way for over a year, and by the time the launch date got closer, the anticipation was sky-high. Even on sites like Slickdeals, if someone posted a deal on an Intel CPU over the last couple of months, the thread would quickly turn into the "If you buy an Intel CPU with Ryzen coming out soon, you're an idiot!" and "Ryzen will destroy every Intel CPU out there!" debates. So I think the hype was definitely there, I just think it created and debated by enthusiasts.

In my opinion, Ryzen is a good CPU for gaming, productivity, and general usage. If you are a benchmarker or big overclocker, then I'd say that Ryzen as it stands today isn't for that person. The platform is still very young, and there will be growing pains. It's in no way a "slam-dunk" choice when compared to what Intel offers, but it will all come down to pricing/promotions. If AMD's upcoming midrange CPUs are competitive, a person who is building a PC should at least compare their options and make an educated purchase. Sometimes that choice will be Intel, and sometimes it will be AMD. I honestly could care less what company's CPU is in my system. I've used both of them over the years. I just want the best 'bang-for-the buck' product at the time I make my purchase, and I want it to take care of my needs for at least 3-5 years. There really to be a healthy competition between Intel and AMD, with each controlling as close as possible to 50% of the desktop market, because that is the only way consumers win. Intel not too long ago controlled almost 88% of the x86 CPU market, and that's not good for anyone outside of Intel and their investors.

That's just my .02
 
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jihe

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Not worth it compared to what exactly? This is highly a use case thing.

Oh, and I fully agree that AMD's marketing is still bad, better than before, but, still bad.
Not sure what the deal is, or who is making the final decisions, but, they need to find someone better.

Compared to 1700.
 

Ancalagon44

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The 1700 also destroys the 7700k at office work, creativity, data processing, content creation, etc..., while it is slower for gaming at 1080p, if you are going for a $300+ processor you are probably already gaming at 1440p or higher and at that point it doesn't matter.

If you think about it, this might be the bigger victory.

How many of us use Intel CPUs in the office? I have had nothing but Intel CPUs in every work laptop or desktop I have ever owned. Now think about it, AMD has delivered a CPU that offers great productivity performance at a reasonable price without consuming massive amounts of power. If I was buying a PC for work today, I would think that an AMD Ryzen would be fantastic value for money.

Later, when the APUs become available, perhaps they could be a good choice for a productivity laptop? I currently use a low power Core i7 - I forgot the model number, but a dual core hyperthreaded model. AMD could easily make a dual core multithreaded APU, or a quad core multithreaded APU, that would be perfect for laptops.

And here is the kicker - while Ryzen cannot clock high, it doesn't use an absurd amount of power either. That means that while it was difficult to get Bulldozer to fit into a 15w or 35w envelope, it won't be nearly as difficult to fit Ryzen into that.

If I was Intel, I couldn't care less about the high end desktop gaming market. They have that pretty well covered with their Core i7. But, I'd be pretty worried about other segments, such as office productivity. Assuming AMD can get OEMs on their side, it could be a big, big deal.
 
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Dribble

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I want high IPC and lots of cores at a reasonable price. No one offers that yet - Rizen lacks IPC which is bad for my gaming and general use, Intel charges a fortune for > 4 cores. Until then I might as well just stick with my sandy bridge. As it's much easier for Intel to sell non-extreme 6 core cpu's then it is for AMD to increase IPC I suspect that will be my upgrade but I am quite happy for AMD to prove me wrong.

Whatever it's going to drive down the cost of the cpu I want so I win.
 

PingSpike

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I like Joker as much as the next guy, but his review is becoming the "Tek Syndicate FX 8350 Review" The one review that no professional tech publication can replicate. I just find it very odd that he can come up with these numbers and no veteran HW reviewer can. It seems very suspect, just like the Tek Syndicate FX 8350 review was.

Has anyone gotten his full configuration info? Bios and settings, ram timings and the like? Hard to buy.

I saw one review that was just crazy, had the old FX-9000 something beating out Ryzen (not by a lot) in Doom OpenGL. But it also had a load of typos in it.
 

JimKiler

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Oct 10, 2002
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I agree they could have handled the last second BIOS updates better, and they probably needed to delay the launch. However, if they had delayed the launch, every message board out there would be filled with outrage, and it would have disrupted too many partners/customers. So they really had no choice but to go with the date they gave. It was really a no win situation.

As far as performance goes, this is where I stand on it. I have seen so many posts where people talk about the CPU as it's not good for gaming. However, when I look at the various reviews, I do see it trailing Intel's top CPUs. Although the difference is not that large for most of the games. For a brand new launch I think that is pretty good, but I would never personally pre-order a component based on hype. I want to see actual reviews from reputable sites first, and those don't come from WCCF and random YouTube people. There's some issues/concerns they need to fix, and there will be many BIOS, Windows, and software updates on the way. It will be interesting to see how things progress over the next several weeks. I still wouldn't recommend it for people who wouldn't be willing to deal with some of the early "headaches", as all new platforms feature many BIOS/driver/OS updates.

I guess when I read a while back that AMD was releasing a new CPU, I would read the various updates about its design and progress, but I never commented in any thread about it. I am the furthest from a "fanboy" as they come. I would just wait until it was launched and reviewed before making any decisions about it. However, you have had a lot of people on many tech sites that have been doing the back-and-forth that goes on with any "big" release. Ryzen had been debated every which way for over a year, and by the time the launch date got closer, the anticipation was sky-high. Even on sites like Slickdeals, if someone posted a deal on an Intel CPU over the last couple of months, the thread would quickly turn into the "If you buy an Intel CPU with Ryzen coming out soon, you're an idiot!" and "Ryzen will destroy every Intel CPU out there!" debates. So I think the hype was definitely there, I just think it created and debated by enthusiasts.

In my opinion, Ryzen is a good CPU for gaming, productivity, and general usage. If you are a benchmarker or big overclocker, then I'd say that Ryzen as it stands today isn't for that person. The platform is still very young, and there will be growing pains. It's in no way a "slam-dunk" choice when compared to what Intel offers, but it will all come down to pricing/promotions. If AMD's upcoming midrange CPUs are competitive, a person who is building a PC should at least compare their options and make an educated purchase. Sometimes that choice will be Intel, and sometimes it will be AMD. I honestly could care less what company's CPU is in my system. I've used both of them over the years. I just want the best 'bang-for-the buck' product at the time I make my purchase, and I want it to take care of my needs for at least 3-5 years. There really to be a healthy competition between Intel and AMD, with each controlling as close as possible to 50% of the desktop market, because that is the only way consumers win. Intel not too long ago controlled almost 88% of the x86 CPU market, and that's not good for anyone outside of Intel and their investors.

That's just my .02

I was not referencing a WCCF review, they had aggregated reviews from a bunch of websites. They did cherry pick quotes and you could argue those are one sided. Did WCCF even do their own review?

I was dissappointed initially yesterday but after reading Tom's review and how well Ryzen is with un-optimized workstation software i cannot believe this CPU is a flop. It maybe like Bulldozer in that games are not optimized to support it but if AMD can get Bethesda to optimize it then and prove the optimizations are worth it then the rest of the game devs should follow.
 

PingSpike

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This is not a disastrous Bulldozer rehash...yet.

It still has the potential to be a disaster, which was something I really did not expect.

I don't think it'll ever be a disaster like that. I don't really see the gaming benchmarks as horrible as everyone makes them out to be. And Ryzen is actually a monster in other areas. The bios updates and stability concerns will be worked out. Its a very good base honestly.

The power consumption numbers are pretty interesting. Are there any performance/watt comparisons around for the types of workloads a data center might do? At first glance from what I'm seeing they have something they can hang their APUs on. Bulldozer was a boat anchor for their iGPU. They really got the idle down on bulldozer but it was a damn pig at load.
 

LTC8K6

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Mar 10, 2004
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I don't think it'll ever be a disaster like that. I don't really see the gaming benchmarks as horrible as everyone makes them out to be. And Ryzen is actually a monster in other areas. The bios updates and stability concerns will be worked out. Its a very good base honestly.

The power consumption numbers are pretty interesting. Are there any performance/watt comparisons around for the types of workloads a data center might do? At first glance from what I'm seeing they have something they can hang their APUs on. Bulldozer was a boat anchor for their iGPU. They really got the idle down on bulldozer but it was a damn pig at load.
Power looks lower at idle but similar at load to BW-E.

The disaster part would be if things don't improve before SL-X / KL-X / CL get on the media stage.

I don't think it will be long before the reviewers start talking about Intel again.

As soon as we have Intel's next chips in the media spotlight, buyers will wait for them, imo.

RyZen doesn't seem to have been quite good enough at launch to get droves of Intel owners to switch. It could easily fade from the spotlight pretty quickly, even though it's a decent competitor. If the improvements take a few weeks, the spotlight might well fade.
 

ArchAngel777

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I'll be brutally honest. I want everyone to buy Ryzen so that Intel will freak out, drop the prices on their 6900K and I can gobble one up for half price. That is my end-game, seriously.
 
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