Your thoughts on God

[ThinClient]

I'm a fence-sitting agnostic so I accept the possibility of some kind of creator for mankind or even this particular universe.

But I've yet to see anything beyond faith to support the truth of any particular religion, and I certainly would not bow to a creator that torments you eternally for eating bacon. Mmmm, bacon

Are you also open to the idea that vampires exist, that fairies exist, that unicorns exist?

 

[Agent11]

lol

That is why I am not afraid to say I am an atheist. For example the solar system provides me with the environment I need to live, yet has so far proven inanimate.

 

[JD50]

God doesn't restrict free will. You are free to gang rape a 3 year old until they are dead. That's entirely up to the person. To love someone you need to give them freedom. Otherwise to restrict them would be there is a selfish desire. God isn't selfish at all as he is perfect love. Which means he cannot restrict anything.

"God allows bad things to happen" Yes. Constantly.

So he is not all powerful?

And holy shit wtf? He loves someone so he gives them freedom to rape a 3 year old? What about that 3 year old, does he love them too?

 

[SMOGZINN]

So he is not all powerful?

You can be all powerful and choose not to use that power.

And holy shit wtf? He loves someone so he gives them freedom to rape a 3 year old? What about that 3 year old, does he love them too?

Kind of argues against benevolence doesn't it?

 

[DaveSimmons]

Are you also open to the idea that vampires exist, that fairies exist, that unicorns exist?

The possibility, certainly. I don't believe in them and I think the odds are very, very low.

If you've read much modern horror or urban fantasy (Nancy Collins, Charles de Lint, etc.) or even watched Supernatural the writers have come up with excuses for why most of us haven't seen anything of the secret world.

Again, I have no belief that Yeti or the Winchester brothers are out there. I just accept that I've read of ways they might exist without any proof being available to the general public. So I say there's a million-to-one chance that they might.

 

[JD50]

You can be all powerful and choose not to use that power.


Kind of argues against benevolence doesn't it?

Right, but he said that he "cannot restrict anything", not that he chooses not to. Regardless, free will is impossible if god is omniscient like Christians claim. There's so many obvious holes in the logic required to believe in a god it's ridiculous.

 

[poofyhairguy]

My thoughts on God?

I believe in God.

Not because of Religion, or Jesus, or miracles, a fear or hell, a ticket to heaven, or even because of faith.

I believe in God because unlike 99% of humanity I have had an awesome life, and if there is a God I would be the universe's biggest ingrate if I didn't believe.

 

[ThinClient]

My thoughts on God?

I believe in God.

Not because of Religion, or Jesus, or miracles, a fear or hell, a ticket to heaven, or even because of faith.

I believe in God because unlike 99% of humanity I have had an awesome life, and if there is a God I would be the universe's biggest ingrate if I didn't believe.

That's called Pascal's Wager and it has been logically debunked for hundreds of years, if not thousands.

What if the great JuJu at the bottom of the ocean is real? Why don't you believe in him, just in case he's real?

What if the Hindu god Vishnu is real? Why don't you believe in him, just in case he's real?

ad nauseum

 

[JD50]

My thoughts on God?

I believe in God.

Not because of Religion, or Jesus, or miracles, a fear or hell, a ticket to heaven, or even because of faith.

I believe in God because unlike 99% of humanity I have had an awesome life, and if there is a God I would be the universe's biggest ingrate if I didn't believe.

This is exactly why I believe in Fairies. I have yet to be attacked by a Vampire, what kind of asshole would I be if I didn't believe in the Fairies that keep me safe from Vampires?

 

[brandonb]

So he is not all powerful?

And holy shit wtf? He loves someone so he gives them freedom to rape a 3 year old? What about that 3 year old, does he love them too?

If God prevented you from exercising your freewill, it would be for his selfish reasons (to do good), and God has no selfishness.

God is perfect love. Satan is perfect selfishness. It's a scale. Humans are on that scale. Somewhere. At different times we move along that scale for better or worse. But the sum of your parts is known to God before you were created. (Divine Providence)

Instead he has given you freewill to do good. We act, for his glory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_of_God

That said. He loves everybody, and gives them the freedom to rape a 3 year old (that doesn't make it right, as it is a selfish act on the rapist.) Just because he allows it, doesn't mean he approves of it. He also loves that 3 year old just as much.

 

[Retro Rob]

This is exactly why I believe in Fairies. I have yet to be attacked by a Vampire, what kind of asshole would I be if I didn't believe in the Fairies that keep me safe from Vampires?

Wow, I mean wow...why do you think theists will never change their minds? Because just the mention of God brings out atheists who begin frothing from the ears and mouth because they can't accept that people are just different than them.

Thanks for reminding us of your atheistic moral and intellectual superiority.

You're all class JD50, and I mean that.

 

[poofyhairguy]

That's called Pascal's Wager and it has been logically debunked for hundreds of years, if not thousands.

Yeah it certainly is a version of that. I don't fear the flame though.

What if the great JuJu at the bottom of the ocean is real? Why don't you believe in him, just in case he's real?

What if the Hindu god Vishnu is real? Why don't you believe in him, just in case he's real?

I don't not believe in any of these things. I used the word God but it could be one god or many gods, not just the Christian God.

I am not "practicing" in my belief in that I follow a certain doctrine based on an interpretation of what God or gods may be.

The practical application in my life is that I try to be very respectful to religion, all religions, whenever I can be and I have respect for religious leaders of all religions.

 

[poofyhairguy]

This is exactly why I believe in Fairies. I have yet to be attacked by a Vampire, what kind of asshole would I be if I didn't believe in the Fairies that keep me safe from Vampires?

You are joking, but I purposefully try not to be smug when people do possess beliefs in things like ghosts, vampires, etc. I try to be respectful to whatever religious belief system that person has because I have no way to prove its wrong.

Religion has existed on this planet for thousands of years for a reason. Sure some of it is social control, some of it is to consolidate power, and some is for self-gratification.

But the common thread is that people want to believe.

I respect that part about humanity, and in practicing my beliefs I try to be respectful to those who have beliefs that I don't agree with.

My way of not being an ingrate is not being an ass.

 

[Retro Rob]

That's called Pascal's Wager and it has been logically debunked for hundreds of years, if not thousands.

What if the great JuJu at the bottom of the ocean is real? Why don't you believe in him, just in case he's real?

What if the Hindu god Vishnu is real? Why don't you believe in him, just in case he's real?

ad nauseum

I'll tell you, I've never in my life seen such a Triple-D (Dedicated Dawkins Disciple) who has apparently inherited the same level of prejudice, ignorance, and simple-mindedness as he has.

Do you pray to him, too? Yes or no.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Wow, I mean wow...why do you think theists will never change their minds? Because just the mention of God brings out atheists who begin frothing from the ears and mouth because they can't accept that people are just different than them.

Thanks for reminding us of your atheistic moral and intellectual superiority.

You're all class JD50, and I mean that.

Please understand that most atheists are 'frothing from the ears and mouth' not because they can't accept that people are different then them but because they have been treated so badly by so many theists that it becomes a conditioned response.

It is not that they can't accept that people are different. It is that they are bitter about the fact that others can't accept that they are different.

 

[ThinClient]

If God prevented you from exercising your freewill, it would be for his selfish reasons (to do good), and God has no selfishness.

God is perfect love. Satan is perfect selfishness. It's a scale. Humans are on that scale. Somewhere. At different times we move along that scale for better or worse. But the sum of your parts is known to God before you were created. (Divine Providence)

Instead he has given you freewill to do good. We act, for his glory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_of_God

That said. He loves everybody, and gives them the freedom to rape a 3 year old (that doesn't make it right, as it is a selfish act on the rapist.) Just because he allows it, doesn't mean he approves of it. He also loves that 3 year old just as much.

Perfect love?

Really?

Do you actually believe this bull? The god you're referring to advocates the subjugation of women as property, advocates slavery and regulates how to beat your slaves and when it's okay to kill your slaves, advocates genocide, advocates killing children to prove how loyal you are to him, advocates raping a daughter instead of raping an angel (Lot and the angels), advocates destroying a man's life and killing his entire family and every animal he owns (Job) just to see how loyal he is, etc.

Yeah, sure, what a god of love LOLOLOL

What a joke!

 

[ThinClient]

I'll tell you, I've never in my life seen such a Triple-D (Dedicated Dawkins Disciple) who has apparently inherited the same level of prejudice, ignorance, and simple-mindedness as he has.

Do you pray to him, too? Yes or no.

Since prayer does not accomplish anything other than self-consolation, no I don't pray to him.

However, I've met him on several occasions and have spoken with him and I can tell you that he's a hell of a lot more understanding, empathetic, and loving person than you portray yourself to be on these forums. He's a hell of a lot more respectful and open minded than you are, too.

I have a very great respect for him; he is one of two men who have helped me reason my way out of something that I did not reason myself into (religion).

 

[JD50]

Wow, I mean wow...why do you think theists will never change their minds? Because just the mention of God brings out atheists who begin frothing from the ears and mouth because they can't accept that people are just different than them.

Thanks for reminding us of your atheistic moral and intellectual superiority.

You're all class JD50, and I mean that.

I was joking around with Poofyhairyguy, we've had plenty of pleasant conversations in the past.

 

[ThinClient]

Yeah it certainly is a version of that. I don't fear the flame though.



I don't not believe in any of these things. I used the word God but it could be one god or many gods, not just the Christian God.

I am not "practicing" in my belief in that I follow a certain doctrine based on an interpretation of what God or gods may be.

The practical application in my life is that I try to be very respectful to religion, all religions, whenever I can be and I have respect for religious leaders of all religions.

I don't understand why you come to the conclusion that some sort of deity exists. Please explain how you came to this conclusion?

 

[Retro Rob]

I was joking around with Poofyhairyguy, we've had plenty of pleasant conversations in the past.

Well, sorry JD.

In that case, you're indeed all class!

 

[ThinClient]

You are joking, but I purposefully try not to be smug when people do possess beliefs in things like ghosts, vampires, etc. I try to be respectful to whatever religious belief system that person has because I have no way to prove its wrong.

Religion has existed on this planet for thousands of years for a reason. Sure some of it is social control, some of it is to consolidate power, and some is for self-gratification.

But the common thread is that people want to believe.

I respect that part about humanity, and in practicing my beliefs I try to be respectful to those who have beliefs that I don't agree with.

My way of not being an ingrate is not being an ass.

This is called tolerance. Tolerance is condescending. It is a negative or destructive idea. Religion has existed for thousands of years because humans have been stupid for thousands of years (and more). Religion doesn't solve any problems (it creates them).

Paul wrote in Corinthians that, as a child he spoke and thought as a child but as an adult he put away childish things.

Religion is the philosophical musings of a child-like mentality of our race.

Now that we're coming out of our child-like stages in human evolution, it's time to put away silly things like religion. It's time to grow the hell up.

 

[JD50]

If God prevented you from exercising your freewill, it would be for his selfish reasons (to do good), and God has no selfishness.

God is perfect love. Satan is perfect selfishness. It's a scale. Humans are on that scale. Somewhere. At different times we move along that scale for better or worse. But the sum of your parts is known to God before you were created. (Divine Providence)

Instead he has given you freewill to do good. We act, for his glory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_of_God

That said. He loves everybody, and gives them the freedom to rape a 3 year old (that doesn't make it right, as it is a selfish act on the rapist.) Just because he allows it, doesn't mean he approves of it. He also loves that 3 year old just as much.

That is really just a bunch of nonsense. This kind of thinking is the kind of thing that turned me away from religion.

Is god all powerful? Is god all knowing?

 

[JD50]

You are joking, but I purposefully try not to be smug when people do possess beliefs in things like ghosts, vampires, etc. I try to be respectful to whatever religious belief system that person has because I have no way to prove its wrong.

Religion has existed on this planet for thousands of years for a reason. Sure some of it is social control, some of it is to consolidate power, and some is for self-gratification.

But the common thread is that people want to believe.

I respect that part about humanity, and in practicing my beliefs I try to be respectful to those who have beliefs that I don't agree with.

My way of not being an ingrate is not being an ass.

I agree that people definitely do want to believe, but that is in no way shape or form proof of the existence of a god.

 

[ThinClient]

That is really just a bunch of nonsense. This kind of thinking is the kind of thing that turned me away from religion.

Is god all powerful? Is god all knowing?

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

-Epicurus (341 BC – 270 BC)

God disappeared in a puff of logic hundreds of years before Christ walked the earth.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Actually, I don't think I was...I was merely pointing out that in a search for God, we just made our own.

Human history is filled with it. That's why I mentioned, what I deemed to be, circumstantial evidence.

I think you should leave this forum. You don't seem to realize it but you are the dogpile catalyst.

We also make poop. Maybe poop is God?

You are the village idiot to these people. They love religion threads because it gives some the chance to abuse you and others who are religious.

Basically you are the poop to them and there may be some respect by a few, but religion threads are a backdoor to boorishness.