God answers back. Learn to listen to Him. Let Him help you learn. The Holy Spirit shall be your teacher.
Jesus found me. He is my treasure. For me, to live is Christ, to die is gain.
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I was Christian for more than the first half of my life. I actually believed. I even cried at Easter for what he did for me. But I later came to believe that I had been mistaken. Jesus had his chance to answer my questions. I prefer to ask people questions who can actually answer back without having to pretend the answers come in the form of some vague emotional state.
I duno, I suppose I wasn't really a Christian and wasn't doing it right? That's what people usually say when Christians become atheist or something else along those lines.
Now, if you want to talk about god giving the answer, I have good reason to suspect that if there was a god that he wouldn't reveal himself, ever. He wouldn't for the same reasons that we wouldn't introduce ourselves to a primitive species living on another planet: Violation of sovereignty.
I suspect that discovering god would be like finding treasure at the end of a long journey. Once we discover enough about the universe/multiverse etc, we might decide to conclude it likely that it was created by some intelligent force or thing, but I don't think that thing would present itself to us, ever, directly. Nor would advanced species living elsewhere contact us, ever. They would be more responsible and considerate than that.
Its a human curiosity for humans to decide and figure out. Science is the way, the truth and the life. Our best shot at heaven is through the scientific process.
I was Christian for more than the first half of my life. I actually believed. I even cried at Easter for what he did for me. But I later came to believe that I had been mistaken. Jesus had his chance to answer my questions. I prefer to ask people questions who can actually answer back without having to pretend the answers come in the form of some vague emotional state.
I duno, I suppose I wasn't really a Christian and wasn't doing it right? That's what people usually say when Christians become atheist or something else along those lines.
Now, if you want to talk about god giving the answer, I have good reason to suspect that if there was a god that he wouldn't reveal himself, ever. He wouldn't for the same reasons that we wouldn't introduce ourselves to a primitive species living on another planet: Violation of sovereignty.
I suspect that discovering god would be like finding treasure at the end of a long journey. Once we discover enough about the universe/multiverse etc, we might decide to conclude it likely that it was created by some intelligent force or thing, but I don't think that thing would present itself to us, ever, directly. Nor would advanced species living elsewhere contact us, ever. They would be more responsible and considerate than that.
Its a human curiosity for humans to decide and figure out. Science is the way, the truth and the life. Our best shot at heaven is through the scientific process.
that made NO sense LOLLL
The one true God who created the Universe. God, as He reveals Himself in the Bible, whose nature is Trinity. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
The one true God who created the Universe. God, as He reveals Himself in the Bible, whose nature is Trinity. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
My cat answers back, and has the added features of being independently verifiable.God answers back.
Why is it something that needs to be "learned"? I didn't have to learn to listen to things that actually exist like birds and crying babies.Learn to listen to Him.
And I'm sure you are quite the authority on what the "Holy Spirit" has to say.Let Him help you learn. The Holy Spirit shall be your teacher.
So you don't believe that your god is omniscient, then?Jesus found me.
And yet you continue to live. Curious.He is my treasure. For me, to live is Christ, to die is gain.
that made NO sense LOLLL
You know, I've asked people to show me definitively in the Bible where this "trinity" comes from, and I the only answer I've ever gotten was "we do not yet understand it...it can only be revealed through revelation".
The Trinity was never Christian Doctrine, it was (and is) an invention of pagans established about 325 A.D, for the same reason Greek Philosophy was stolen and made "Christian" (you know that whole immortality of the soul bit) to grab pagan converts.
Today's "version" of Christianity is nothing more than an amalgamation of pagan tradition and belief, and your average "Christian" isn't likely aware of this...but its "tradition" -- no reason to question it.
People need to educate themselves on this and they'd be surprised at how pagan their belief system really is.
1. What God? 2. Maybe you should try to establish the existence of a god, first.
That'd be great, but why are you quoting an anonymous manuscript?
You know, I've asked people to show me definitively in the Bible where this "trinity" comes from, and I the only answer I've ever gotten was "we do not yet understand it...it can only be revealed through revelation".
The Trinity was never Christian Doctrine, it was (and is) an invention of pagans established about 325 A.D, for the same reason Greek Philosophy was stolen and made "Christian" (you know that whole immortality of the soul bit) to grab pagan converts.
Today's "version" of Christianity is nothing more than an amalgamation of pagan tradition and belief, and your average "Christian" isn't likely aware of this...but its "tradition" -- no reason to question it.
People need to educate themselves on this and they'd be surprised at how pagan their belief system really is.
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"[Matt 28:19]
lol Satan got you to believe that BS?
Listen, I am not going to argue over whose interpretation of scripture is correct, but it's well known knowledge that the Trinity only became official Doctrine after the First Counsel of Nicaea, (which took place 400 YEARS AFTER Christ' death) and that you all stole other things from pagans (like Plato's immortal soul belief).
Other pagan Traditions includes Christmas (or rather, Saturnalia) and Easter, so I think you need to do your research and see where your traditions come from.
Christianity is rife with this paganism.
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"[Matt 28:19]
There is no interpretation of that quote, it is direct from the Bible.
Early Church history had much discussion over the Trinity, a binary God or a Unitary view. All were discussed over many years and had nothing to do with paganism except in so far as there may be surface similarities between those views and pagan views.
The Nicene Creed was adopted in 325 AD, less than 300 years after the death of Jesus.
I changed my mind, and I have a few questions for you:
When Jesus was baptized, how can Jesus and God be one when a voice from Heaven "approved" his Son?
When after his resurrection, he told Mary "I'm going to my father and your father, to my God and your God", who was he referring to? He said "his father".
Thirdly, Jesus prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane, and asked "let this cup pass not as I will, but you will". If Jesus is God, who was he praying to? God doesn't need to pray to anyone if he's the Most High.
The theological underpinnings of the Trinity is there. The question is whether one accepts them or not. I have, but that is my personal belief and if you do not agree, then I can only provide my view as best I can.
I'm sorry, describing a character from a book does not establish that the character exists in reality. You have more work to do.
Not my job.
Also, you never answered why it matters what it says in some anonymous manuscript written thousands of years ago.
The Bible is the inspired word of God.
My cat answers back, and has the added features of being independently verifiable.
Too bad a cat is only a cat.
Why is it something that needs to be "learned"?
You seem to have an aversion to learning new things, most likely because it is very difficult for you. You have my sympathies for your learning deficit. Life must be difficult for you with your mental handicap.
I didn't have to learn to listen to things that actually exist like birds and crying babies.
Yes, you did.
And I'm sure you are quite the authority on what the "Holy Spirit" has to say.
The Holy Spirit is the authority.
So you don't believe that your god is omniscient, then?
Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.
T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed.
Through many dangers, toils and snares
I have already come;
'Tis Grace that brought me safe thus far
and Grace will lead me home.
The Lord has promised good to me.
His word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be,
As long as life endures.
Yea, when this flesh and heart shall fail,
And mortal life shall cease,
I shall possess within the veil,
A life of joy and peace.
John Newton (1725-1807)
And yet you continue to live. Curious.
I doubt you are curious.
You're not speaking with a fool. Constantine was the driving force behind this because he clearly wasn't a Christian, but allegedly got baptized before his death, though this isn't factly confirmed. One thing is clear: he wanted order and uniformity. The trinity (which has it roots in Egyptian and Babylonian pagan worship) was the bridge. You don't know this?
Pagans should have NOTHING to do with establishing Christian doctrine or orthodoxy -- if doctrine is decided upon, why get the government involved?
Right, because all the early Church wanted were converts. I'm afraid you don't understand the roots of your own beliefs.
No I don't accept them, because your explanations aren't biblical -- you ran to find information that agrees with your belief.
Aren't you going address my objections, particularly the ones concerning the origins of the Triune gods and Constantine's heavy say in the Trinity Doctrine?
No, education did.
No need to get rude and I assure you I understand my belief.
The trinity was discussed early in the 2nd century by Ignatius of Antioch as well justice Martyr and a bit later Theophilus of Antioch. I am also not disagreeing there may be similarities to the Trinity and to paganism. That does not mean they are the same. No doubt simialr ideas occur to disparate groups at the same time. It happens now and will happen forever. The representations of a Trinity or other Christian tenet may be in some form present in paganism but that by no means says Christianity grew out of those beliefs.
Well I gave you a biblical scripture and you rejected it so i gave you information easily accessible and understandable and you reject that. Your answers lie in the Bible. I cannot provide more than I have for you.
Those opposed to the doctrine of the Trinity say that God is speaking of Himself in a "royal" sense, in a "plural of majesty." They can say this, but biblically there is never any account of a king or a ruler speaking of himself in a plural sense or in the third person. So, there is no biblical support for God using it of Himself in this way.
In regards to Gen. 1:26, those who deny the Trinity say that when God says, "Let Us make..." He is speaking with the angels in mind. The problem with this is that angels do not create. There is absolutely no biblical evidence that angels created anything at all. We see in Isaiah 44:24, "Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, 'I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself, And spreading out the earth all alone.'" God made all things alone. Therefore, the "us" in "Let Us make man in our image" cannot be the angels. Furthermore, people are not created in the image of angels, but of God.
The three verses in Genesis do not prove that the Trinity is true. However, they cannot be dismissed by the assumption that God is speaking of himself in a type of third person way.
Furthermore, notice in the fourth verse above, Isaiah 6:8, that God is speaking in the singular and then switches to the plural. He says, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?" This on the unusual construction: the singular speaker refers to himself in the plural.