Your wish list for the LG Nexus Bullhead (N5 2015)?

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I don't like wishlist threads named as such. It's pointless to speaking 'wishfully' without evidence or at least rumor.

speaking in support or against rumored specs, however; now that I'm ok with.
 

sweenish

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I'm looking at my N5, seeing ~490 MB of RAM free, and wondering why I should care.

Yes, it would be nice and I am all for advancement, but at the likely lower price point that this phone is going to hit 2GB is not out of place at all.

In any case, I've got at least one more year before I'm in the market for a new phone, I'm hoping Moto reclaims their fast update reputation now that they're cutting the carriers out of the picture. I will want some choices.

I also hope the SoC situation gets sorted out. This year was a bit of a mess with how hard Qualcomm dropped the ball.
 

Bman123

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It's a shame because I know a lot of you guys want a killer small nexus like before and you aren't getting it this year.
I watched the specs and pricing ideas for it and jumped on the nexus 6 for $350 at best buy because the screen size isn't too much for me to handle
 

poofyhairguy

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It's a shame because I know a lot of you guys want a killer small nexus like before and you aren't getting it this year.

You are probably right. As soon as that 820 hits next year (rumors are twice as powerful as 810) then everything in Android will be midrange at best. If you bought a LG Flex 2 in Q1 oh well you got a year at the top, but if you buy a Nexis 5X it will be obsolete in a matter of months.

The fact that the Nexus will have a worse SoC powerwise than phones from Q1 like the Flex 2 simply sucks. Nexuses usually push specs: Nexus One had NFC first, GNex had a 720p screen first, Nexus 4 had 2GB of ram before almost any phone, and the Nexus 5 had the 800 SoC when most flagships from that year had the 600.

It is so frustrating that if this thing really has 2GB of ram it is barely a hardware upgrade over a M8 I am excited to replace. I might still do it because I want a fingerprint reader and a better camera, but counting on a Nexus camera as a selling point is historically a bad move.

Sigh.
 

Bman123

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It sucks for you guys. I didn't do a huge upgrade performance wise either coming from a galaxy S5 to the nexus 6. I got a higher resolution bigger screen and a marginally faster SOC but I was mainly after the updates and stock Android.

5.0 on the S5 is shit and God only knows when it will get 5.1, my nexus 6 is already on 5.1.1 and will be getting 6.0 soon enough. I am loving the speed of stock Android tho.

The camera is nothing special but its decent in daylight and thats the only time I rarely ever take pictures so I can live with it
 

StrangerGuy

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You are probably right. As soon as that 820 hits next year (rumors are twice as powerful as 810) then everything in Android will be midrange at best. If you bought a LG Flex 2 in Q1 oh well you got a year at the top, but if you buy a Nexis 5X it will be obsolete in a matter of months.

The fact that the Nexus will have a worse SoC powerwise than phones from Q1 like the Flex 2 simply sucks. Nexuses usually push specs: Nexus One had NFC first, GNex had a 720p screen first, Nexus 4 had 2GB of ram before almost any phone, and the Nexus 5 had the 800 SoC when most flagships from that year had the 600.

It is so frustrating that if this thing really has 2GB of ram it is barely a hardware upgrade over a M8 I am excited to replace. I might still do it because I want a fingerprint reader and a better camera, but counting on a Nexus camera as a selling point is historically a bad move.

Sigh.

It's incredible how well Qualcomm was executing so well from S4 Pro to S800 then completely misses the follow-up without a custom 64 bit SoC already in the works to collectively drag down the entire Android high end devices for 2014-15.
 

kaerflog

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I think I'm gonna hold on to the S5 until anything with the Snap820 comes out.
I was going to jump on the MotoX Pure but that too doesn't offer much benefit over what I'm using now.
 

poofyhairguy

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It's incredible how well Qualcomm was executing so well from S4 Pro to S800 then completely misses the follow-up without a custom 64 bit SoC already in the works to collectively drag down the entire Android high end devices for 2014-15.

It's all Apples fault for putting a 64 bit CPU in a 1GB ram phone years before anyone expected it.
 
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You are probably right. As soon as that 820 hits next year (rumors are twice as powerful as 810) then everything in Android will be midrange at best. If you bought a LG Flex 2 in Q1 oh well you got a year at the top, but if you buy a Nexis 5X it will be obsolete in a matter of months.

Why would it be obsolete? It'd still be blazing fast in everyday usage. Even the Nexus 5 still holds up well today. Why would a more powerful Nexus 5X be any different? Sure, benchmark wise it'd be obsolete. But actual real usage in almost everything but gaming is a different story.
 

sweenish

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Worth noting that GNex was not the first 720p phone. It was close, though. HTC actually won that race.
 

StrangerGuy

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Why would it be obsolete? It'd still be blazing fast in everyday usage. Even the Nexus 5 still holds up well today. Why would a more powerful Nexus 5X be any different? Sure, benchmark wise it'd be obsolete. But actual real usage in almost everything but gaming is a different story.

Chrome is already buttery smooth on my Snapdragon 400 Xiaomi, much less a Nexus 4 that has a much stronger S4 Pro and even faster phones released later. We are all drowning in excessive CPU power in the real world, in PC and in mobile.
 

hans007

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Why would it be obsolete? It'd still be blazing fast in everyday usage. Even the Nexus 5 still holds up well today. Why would a more powerful Nexus 5X be any different? Sure, benchmark wise it'd be obsolete. But actual real usage in almost everything but gaming is a different story.

exactly. i mean theres much more to a phone than the cpu.


i do have to say i just went from a 2015 moto e, to a 2015 moto x, and the cpu / ram difference is obviously noticeable. but from really any snapdragon 8xx cpu to an 820 probably isn't gonna be hge.

sure maybe for gaming benchmarks, but really are that many people running high end 3d games on their cellphones
 

StrangerGuy

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sure maybe for gaming benchmarks, but really are that many people running high end 3d games on their cellphones

Maybe for Apple, but definitely not on Android where every dev is incentivized for their games to run on bare bottom hardware for the largest audience possible with the F2P + ads model.
 

hans007

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Maybe for Apple, but definitely not on Android where every dev is incentivized for their games to run on bare bottom hardware for the largest audience possible with the F2P + ads model.

definitely. the spectrum of android users is so much wider, especially with all the 2-3 yearold hardware phones still being sold as new on boost, virgin mobile etc.

i'd imagine most ios devs, test their apps with mostly the latest phones or maybe one generation old at best... but i'm at work bringing out a galaxy nexus or a moto E to make sure everything is smooth for that level of phone.
 

RossMAN

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I'm seriously contemplating going from Nexus 5 and downgrading to Moto G 3rd gen and waiting to see what 2016 holds for Nexus/Moto?

Here's my reasoning, anyone else in a similar situation?
1) Bang for your buck it's difficult to top the G.
2) My wife's Moto G has solid battery life, at least compared to the Nexus 5.
3) microSD support.
4) Size/dimensions are just right.
 

lopri

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Umm.. Nexus 4 is rather slow compared to 2015 flagships, including devices running on throttled S810. It is usable for sure but I wouldn't call it "buttery smooth."

Now, the comparison between S4 Pro and quad/octa A53s is an interesting one but a perceived performance of a device relies not only on the IPC of the CPU but also on memory subsystem, storage subsystem, graphics subsystem, modem performance, throttling policy, etc. so it won't surprise me that a user experience on a quad A53 device excels that of the Nexus 4.
 

lothar

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I'm seriously contemplating going from Nexus 5 and downgrading to Moto G 3rd gen and waiting to see what 2016 holds for Nexus/Moto?

Here's my reasoning, anyone else in a similar situation?
1) Bang for your buck it's difficult to top the G.
2) My wife's Moto G has solid battery life, at least compared to the Nexus 5.
3) microSD support.
4) Size/dimensions are just right.

Solid battery life, but it's much slower than the Nexus 5.
SnapDragon 410 vs. SnapDragon 800??? Not sure if serious.

Bang for buck? That's debatable. Your Nexus 5 is a used 2 year old phone and won't sell for more than $200-250 on Swappa, about the same price as a larger RAM size Moto G brand new. Since Moto G is a new phone that was released a few weeks ago, I don't think "used" prices would have dropped that much.

Nexus 5 has the same screen size as the Moto G. So physically, they should be near the same range without much significance. Both phones can be used one handed.
 

obidamnkenobi

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Solid battery life, but it's much slower than the Nexus 5.
SnapDragon 410 vs. SnapDragon 800??? Not sure if serious.

Bang for buck? That's debatable. Your Nexus 5 is a used 2 year old phone and won't sell for more than $200-250 on Swappa, about the same price as a larger RAM size Moto G brand new. Since Moto G is a new phone that was released a few weeks ago, I don't think "used" prices would have dropped that much.

Nexus 5 has the same screen size as the Moto G. So physically, they should be near the same range without much significance. Both phones can be used one handed.

I'm in a similar boat as RossMAN; I have a 2013 moto G and wondering when and what to upgrade to. It's becoming painfully slow, near unusable.

2015 Moto G is $220 - Snapdragon 410
2014 Moto X (32GB) is ~$250 used - Snapdragon 801

From the Bench scores the '14 X almost seems better? Expect in battery life (X is 75% of the G)
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1546?vs=1343

'15 G also has the waterproof thing, but I've never drowned a phone so not sure I care. I does have SD card support too, but I stream my music and haven't had any huge space problems with 16GB. The 2015 X of course looks nice, but there is no way I'm spending $450 on a phone!
 
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