You're FIRED!! w/update

[BoomerD]

While the guy MAY deserve to be fired, and if what you say is true, he does, but, I still gotta hope that the word gets around that it was YOU who did this, and in your OFF hours as well...That should sit well with the union boys you deal with every day and bad mouth on here as well...
As a lifetime union member and crane operator, (we don't tolerate this kind of crap at work either) I fully understand getting rid of someone who may drink on the job, do drugs/deal drugs at work, ignore safety rules, etc. HOWEVER, what you've done is a bit beyond the norm...deserves some hate thrown your way from the rest of the hands...shows that you're just a company lackey who can't be trusted. NO reason why you couldn't have just confronted him at work on Monday, and had a "heart -to-heart" about it, insted of running right to work and telling his shift supervisor...

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Lord Evermore

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: zanieladie
What kind of work do you do?

I'm an engineer by trade...but am one of 4 managers at a 100 person facility; Steelworker's Union. They are grooming me to take over senior management roles within the Canadian division.

They're going to put someone into senior management who squeals like a little girl who got a pony because he gets to have someone fired?

I don't think snitching is a bad thing here, just don't be so pleased with yourself about it.

I'm not moving in that direction because of my respect for corporate policy, but because of my results and hard work.

If it helps you sleep at night then it must be true.

 

[Babbles]

If this guy really has had previous problems at work and was on his last leg, so to speak, then I think you did the correct thing regardless of what many of these people say. Keeping a craptastic worker within the company benefits nobody and you shouldn't feel guilty for firing people who are incompetent.

Originally posted by: saymyname
I think you have a serious case of small penis syndrome.

If the OP is indeed a supervisor or otherwise a part of management, this is part of his job you schmuck. Getting people to do what they are supposed to do is his role, and as such eliminating those people who aren't working would be a part of his job.

 

[saymyname]

Originally posted by: Babbles
If this guy really has had previous problems at work and was on his last leg, so to speak, then I think you did the correct thing regardless of what many of these people say. Keeping a craptastic worker within the company benefits nobody and you shouldn't feel guilty for firing people who are incompetent.

Originally posted by: saymyname
I think you have a serious case of small penis syndrome.

If the OP is indeed a supervisor or otherwise a part of management, this is part of his job you schmuck. Getting people to do what they are supposed to do is his role, and as such eliminating those people who aren't working would be a part of his job.

I don't think you read all my posts so I'll let that slide.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
While the guy MAY deserve to be fired, and if what you say is true, he does, but, I still gotta hope that the word gets around that it was YOU who did this, and in your OFF hours as well...That should sit well with the union boys you deal with every day and bad mouth on here as well...
As a lifetime union member and crane operator, (we don't tolerate this kind of crap at work either) I fully understand getting rid of someone who may drink on the job, do drugs/deal drugs at work, ignore safety rules, etc. HOWEVER, what you've done is a bit beyond the norm...deserves some hate thrown your way from the rest of the hands...shows that you're just a company lackey who can't be trusted. NO reason why you couldn't have just confronted him at work on Monday, and had a "heart -to-heart" about it, insted of running right to work and telling his shift supervisor...

He is his supervisor, is he not?

You understand firing someone who deals drugs at work, and yet are still making excuses for the guy? Jeez.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: MangoTBG

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: MangoTBG
How is Ontario? I'm not like most Americans that hate Canada for no reason. If I had to move out of the US Canada would be the first place I go.

Ontario is a nice spot to be, I'd recommend Ottawa if possible. I've spent a lot of time in British Columbia, the weather is amazing and scenery astounding. Canada has a good quality of life, great place to raise a family...much cheaper to live if you make under $80k as well. Taxes here are utterly ridiculous, but what can you do?

I might have to make a trip up there in the next year. I'll keep that in mind. Any things you'd recommend a first timer to do while up there?

Depending on your age...
Clubs in Canada are a ton of fun, lots of energetic/friendly people. Lots of great restaurants in Ottawa and Niagara areas. Visit the museums in Ottawa, CN Tower and various art galleries in Toronto. Visit algonquin park to do some moose watching, canoeing and camping. Lots of lakes and outdoors stuff to do if you want to get out of the cities. Whitewater rafting if spring, skiing if winter, lots of nature oriented things to do. We have several Imax's, Toronto zoo is pretty famous...

Kinda on topic...BEER! American beer is utter crap, get yourself some *real* Canadian and European beer. The stuff in the US is watered down and tastes like water, I honestly have no idea how you guys can stand it. Micro-brews in the states is your only saving grace...such a shame. Even your American beers like Coors and Bud are brewed stronger up here...it just wouldn't sell otherwise.

Anyway...tons of stuff to do here. Cities are large (TO = 5mill, Ottawa > 2mill ppl)...lots of outdoors and culture.

London is the best club spot...and you know it

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: saymyname

Originally posted by: Babbles
If this guy really has had previous problems at work and was on his last leg, so to speak, then I think you did the correct thing regardless of what many of these people say. Keeping a craptastic worker within the company benefits nobody and you shouldn't feel guilty for firing people who are incompetent.

Originally posted by: saymyname
I think you have a serious case of small penis syndrome.

If the OP is indeed a supervisor or otherwise a part of management, this is part of his job you schmuck. Getting people to do what they are supposed to do is his role, and as such eliminating those people who aren't working would be a part of his job.

I don't think you read all my posts so I'll let that slide.

Summary of your posts:
"I think you have a serious case of small penis syndrome." - troll right off the bat.
"Watch him deny the whole thing and then tell your boss that you touched his wang and told him not to tell anyone or you'd get him fired." - proposed a totally irrelevant scenario, having nothing to do with today's issue.
"I'm sure he deserves to be fired" - admitting I did the right thing.
"Only one guy I wish I could have fired" - you didn't have the balls to do what was right.
"I definitely don't understand unions" - not the only thing you don't understand...but i concur.
"I still think you have small penis syndrome though" - troll times 2, even after you admitted I did the right thing.
"$50 Canadian? That's only $1.50 USD","That and the flapping heads and beady eyes" - troll times 3...Canada bashing, that was old 10 years ago.
"Well a couple hours north it was snowing about a month ago. 4 weeks or 6 weeks ago, it doesn't matter, it was still snowing" - blatent lie.

...you get the point...
His posts don't have any real significance in this thread.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
While the guy MAY deserve to be fired, and if what you say is true, he does, but, I still gotta hope that the word gets around that it was YOU who did this, and in your OFF hours as well...That should sit well with the union boys you deal with every day and bad mouth on here as well...
As a lifetime union member and crane operator, (we don't tolerate this kind of crap at work either) I fully understand getting rid of someone who may drink on the job, do drugs/deal drugs at work, ignore safety rules, etc. HOWEVER, what you've done is a bit beyond the norm...deserves some hate thrown your way from the rest of the hands...shows that you're just a company lackey who can't be trusted. NO reason why you couldn't have just confronted him at work on Monday, and had a "heart -to-heart" about it, insted of running right to work and telling his shift supervisor...

Id watch out if I were you. Hes got the proof he is smarter then anyone here
That bothers me when some people just feel they are sooooooo much better then anyone else that they have to brag and shove it in your face as if to say "STFU Im better then you and your sucking up my air and evading my personal space bubble. Just die already you white trash trailer scum. Look at this paper it means Im better then you and 99% of the people around me. Move out of my way for I am a god to you for I am the smartest person here and here is my proof. Look see, I have it. Im smarter. What you dont have one of these? HAHAHA! I do look see here is my name right here. Thats me. That means Im smarter, then you. So if you dont have one of these that must mean Im smarter and your dummer."
I got skills and have more then some I am sure (writing is obviously not one of them, DUH) but I dont go around hurting peoples feeling by bragging about how much better I am then they are because I can do something they cannot or have a higher education and have to go saying "Proof Im smart"
If someone wants to disagree with you now they cant because you have the "Proof" your better and not to mess with you? I just dont get the sig I guess other then I take it your bragging and wanting to put other people down who are not in your "class" of person like the guy your busting.

While Im at it you didnt feel sooooo good and proud of yourself for what you have done to another persons life wether he desvered it or not you had to come into a fourm and brag about it so other people will agree with how great you are for doing it and how much better you are then him. You know so you can feel even better inside about yourself because keeping it in wasnt enough for you. Couldnt you just do it without having to brag about the job you did getting someone fired and ruining thier life. I hope to god you are perfect in every way. Dont break the law, help old ladies across the street, if given the wrong change back in your favor you speak up and give it back. Because if this guy is such scum and needed taking down and out I sure hope your plate is clean so it cant come back and hit you in the ass.

 

[saymyname]

I love you man. So defensive.

Here's the scoop. You are a supervisor and are following an employee around rather than comfronting them on the spot. You can't wait to get them fired. You're bragging about your conquest on an internet forum.

Regardless of whether he deserves to be fired, which I don't know since you didn't even tell us his previous history, you have small penis syndrome. You couldn't confront him and you can't wait to fire him. It's probably one of the few cases of power that you have, albeit limited since you can't even do it on your own.

You also can't read. I couldn't fire my guy because he wasn't replaceable at the time. That was very frustrating. I hope you're never in that situation.

 

[Stunt]

Haha, that's not what i mean by my sig. It's just meant to be a picture, I'm not intending to brag.

It's much like your sig says "Buy my kick ass stuff!" or "trusted trader", i mean are you trying to show you are a better trader than me?
Is your stuff better than my stuff? Why do you have to brag and make yourself look better than 99% of everyone else?

Reading waaaaay too far into the sig buddy.

 

[Mail5398]

Someone forward this thread to the union where Stunt works. I bet they would like to read this.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: saymyname
I love you man. So defensive.

Here's the scoop. You are a supervisor and are following an employee around rather than comfronting them on the spot. You can't wait to get them fired. You're bragging about your conquest on an internet forum.

Regardless of whether he deserves to be fired, which I don't know since you didn't even tell us his previous history, you have small penis syndrome. You couldn't confront him and you can't wait to fire him. It's probably one of the few cases of power that you have, albeit limited since you can't even do it on your own.

You also can't read. I couldn't fire my guy because he wasn't replaceable at the time. That was very frustrating. I hope you're never in that situation.

Ever try to fire someone in an Union?

Ever had an employee on your roll who dealt drugs and drink on the job, in a manafacturing postion? One who drank and disregarded safety procedures? Try thinking this one through.

 

[saymyname]

Have you ever had to fire someone with 7 kids and a wife dying of cancer?

That's not the issue.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: saymyname
Have you ever had to fire someone with 7 kids and a wife dying of cancer?

That's not the issue.

The guy drinking on the job where safety is a major concern is not the issue?

What about firing the guy who endangers his 10 workers who each have 3 kids and a wife to take care of, and might get killed because you let the drunk work on the line or drive the forklift around?

 

[grrl]

Originally posted by: MangoTBG
How is Ontario? I'm not like most Americans that hate Canada for no reason.

I always thought it was the other way around.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: saymyname
I love you man. So defensive.

Here's the scoop. You are a supervisor and are following an employee around rather than comfronting them on the spot. You can't wait to get them fired. You're bragging about your conquest on an internet forum.

Regardless of whether he deserves to be fired, which I don't know since you didn't even tell us his previous history, you have small penis syndrome. You couldn't confront him and you can't wait to fire him. It's probably one of the few cases of power that you have, albeit limited since you can't even do it on your own.

You also can't read. I couldn't fire my guy because he wasn't replaceable at the time. That was very frustrating. I hope you're never in that situation.

I never let myself become dependent on anyone. If such a scenario ever exists in business, you lose all leverage when negotiating and motivating. Your flawed supervisory skills are a shame, it's too bad you had to endure those hardships. Having proper procedures, training programs, contingency plans in place will allow you the flexibily to maintain control over your employees.

I will fire him, but as you admitted yourself; you don't understand, so that's where my knowledge of company policy, collective agreement and organizational responsibilities come into play. Thanks for your half-assed attempt at a point of view or advice, but in the end you endorse my action, you don't understand, and you are frustrated with your own past issues.

:beer:

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: saymyname
Have you ever had to fire someone with 7 kids and a wife dying of cancer?

That's not the issue.

The guy drinking on the job where safety is a major concern is not the issue?

What about firing the guy who endangers his 10 workers who each have 3 kids and a wife to take care of, and might get killed because you let the drunk work on the line or drive the forklift around?

Did I miss something. I know he was seen at the beer store but was he followed back to the job and seen drinking there as well? Or was he just seen at the store when he should of been at work where they dont get breaks and if you do your forced to stay at work and not go out on your free time to get food, smokes, beer for later cuz it would be late and they may not be selling it at the hour he gets off at?

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: saymyname
I don't think you read all my posts so I'll let that slide.

In fact I did and I have essentially determined that you have the critical thinking skills of my dirty gym socks (rather nice socks too, by the way) and because of that you do not have the foggiest idea on how the situation is to be handled.

Here is a perfect example:

If he deserved to be fired so bad you should have just gone up to him and fired him on the spot. That way you wouldn't have to deal with any drama on company grounds.

That means you really have no clue at all how human resources and liability issues impact thing. Even if you indeed were a supervisor, which may or may not be possible, I doubt you ever had the power to fire somebody because you would understand these things. I don't know, maybe you did but if that was the case your statements here reflect on how poorly qualified you are to be supervising people.

Also your repeated fixation for small penises is rather disturbing.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: saymyname
Have you ever had to fire someone with 7 kids and a wife dying of cancer?

That's not the issue.

The guy drinking on the job where safety is a major concern is not the issue?

What about firing the guy who endangers his 10 workers who each have 3 kids and a wife to take care of, and might get killed because you let the drunk work on the line or drive the forklift around?

Did I miss something. I know he was seen at the beer store but was he followed back to the job and seen drinking there as well? Or was he just seen at the store when he should of been at work where they dont get breaks and if you do your forced to stay at work and not go out on your free time to get food, smokes, beer for later cuz it would be late and they may not be selling it at the hour he gets off at?

Stunt said he had a history of being alchoholic/influenced on the job. Do you really want to work infront of the guy who is drunk in a factory? Specially ones who put his workers in danger already by disregarding safety procedures. He has a Union Job, all he needs to do is show up to ride the gravy train for life, and he didn't even do that (as Stunt said he had the most absenstism). I don't care if he has 10 kids, 4 relatives dying of cancer and a goldfish who is sick, if life was so important to him he would have taken his job seriously.

 

[nissan720]

Wow, you guys need to move on to a different topic.

 

[gar3555]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: zanieladie
What kind of work do you do?

I'm an engineer by trade...but am one of 4 managers at a 100 person facility; Steelworker's Union. They are grooming me to take over senior management roles within the Canadian division.

IW 121? what union....I spent 3 mo in canad workin in toronto @ ford, managing elec and mech union workers...and all I have to say is: UNIONS SUCK...they are on there way out...hahaha, they have abused the system that fed them for to long. Same with the UAW and the CAW...they need to die off...

that is all..sorry about the rant...

 

[saymyname]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: saymyname
I love you man. So defensive.

Here's the scoop. You are a supervisor and are following an employee around rather than comfronting them on the spot. You can't wait to get them fired. You're bragging about your conquest on an internet forum.

Regardless of whether he deserves to be fired, which I don't know since you didn't even tell us his previous history, you have small penis syndrome. You couldn't confront him and you can't wait to fire him. It's probably one of the few cases of power that you have, albeit limited since you can't even do it on your own.

You also can't read. I couldn't fire my guy because he wasn't replaceable at the time. That was very frustrating. I hope you're never in that situation.

I never let myself become dependent on anyone. If such a scenario ever exists in business, you lose all leverage when negotiating and motivating. Your flawed supervisory skills are a shame, it's too bad you had to endure those hardships. Having proper procedures, training programs, contingency plans in place will allow you the flexibily to maintain control over your employees.

I will fire him, but as you admitted yourself; you don't understand, so that's where my knowledge of company policy, collective agreement and organizational responsibilities come into play. Thanks for your half-assed attempt at a point of view or advice, but in the end you endorse my action, you don't understand, and you are frustrated with your own past issues.

:beer:

You were trying to impress people on here. One day you'll realize that being a leader involves more than bragging about firing people on forums and trying to justify yourself as high and mighty.

I'm not a supervisor. I'm an owner. And when a guy makes me hundreds of thousands of dollars a year I'll tolerate his crap for the few months that it takes me to replace him. Still doesn't mean it wasn't very frustrating. When you're a small business though you sometimes don't have the luxury of having back up employees in every position. You should never say never.

As far as unions....they sound terrible.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: saymyname

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: saymyname
I love you man. So defensive.

Here's the scoop. You are a supervisor and are following an employee around rather than comfronting them on the spot. You can't wait to get them fired. You're bragging about your conquest on an internet forum.

Regardless of whether he deserves to be fired, which I don't know since you didn't even tell us his previous history, you have small penis syndrome. You couldn't confront him and you can't wait to fire him. It's probably one of the few cases of power that you have, albeit limited since you can't even do it on your own.

You also can't read. I couldn't fire my guy because he wasn't replaceable at the time. That was very frustrating. I hope you're never in that situation.

I never let myself become dependent on anyone. If such a scenario ever exists in business, you lose all leverage when negotiating and motivating. Your flawed supervisory skills are a shame, it's too bad you had to endure those hardships. Having proper procedures, training programs, contingency plans in place will allow you the flexibily to maintain control over your employees.

I will fire him, but as you admitted yourself; you don't understand, so that's where my knowledge of company policy, collective agreement and organizational responsibilities come into play. Thanks for your half-assed attempt at a point of view or advice, but in the end you endorse my action, you don't understand, and you are frustrated with your own past issues.

:beer:

You were trying to impress people on here. One day you'll realize that being a leader involves more than bragging about firing people on forums and trying to justify yourself as high and mighty.

I'm not a supervisor. I'm an owner. And when a guy makes me hundreds of thousands of dollars a year I'll tolerate his crap for the few months that it takes me to replace him. Still doesn't mean it wasn't very frustrating. When you're a small business though you sometimes don't have the luxury of having back up employees in every position. You should never say never.

As far as unions....they sound terrible.

Owners shouldn't make small penis jokes on internet forums

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: saymyname
You were trying to impress people on here. One day you'll realize that being a leader involves more than bragging about firing people on forums and trying to justify yourself as high and mighty.

I'm not a supervisor. I'm an owner. And when a guy makes me hundreds of thousands of dollars a year I'll tolerate his crap for the few months that it takes me to replace him. Still doesn't mean it wasn't very frustrating. When you're a small business though you sometimes don't have the luxury of having back up employees in every position. You should never say never.

As far as unions....they sound terrible.

I have never posted anything job related on the internet before, so I'm not bragging about anything. I had fun tonight busting this guy...I mean it's pretty random, I don't go to the Beer Store around here often, and then to see someone who is supposed to be working, someone with such a poor history...It was an interesting night to say the least.

 

[saymyname]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: saymyname
I don't think you read all my posts so I'll let that slide.

In fact I did and I have essentially determined that you have the critical thinking skills of my dirty gym socks (rather nice socks too, by the way) and because of that you do not have the foggiest idea on how the situation is to be handled.

Here is a perfect example:

If he deserved to be fired so bad you should have just gone up to him and fired him on the spot. That way you wouldn't have to deal with any drama on company grounds.

That means you really have no clue at all how human resources and liability issues impact thing. Even if you indeed were a supervisor, which may or may not be possible, I doubt you ever had the power to fire somebody because you would understand these things. I don't know, maybe you did but if that was the case your statements here reflect on how poorly qualified you are to be supervising people.

Also your repeated fixation for small penises is rather disturbing.

Lets for the sake of argument say they guy had an attendence problem. You have time sheets reflecting that. You sit down and tell him that he's going to be fired if he's late again. You document the meeting if you want to but the timesheets are proof. Then when you spot him at the beer store during company hours you fire him on the spot. Drugs? Drug test. Alcohol? If he doesn't ask for treatment, or lapses after treatement, then you fire him. If this guy had an alcohol problem and he was drunk during the work day, on or off the premises, I would fire him on the spot. My state is at-will. I can fire someone for anything as long as I don't discriminate. It's in my best interest to document it though in case they take me to the labor board.

I would NEVER let an employee back onto my premises if I saw him buying beer during work hours and knew he had an alcohol problem. All I need is for him to get killed or kill someone else. The liability is on me.