youth sports (soccer) ???

[7window]

Scenario:

Johnny is getting ready to do a Penalty Kick but everyone in the team including parents knows that johnny is not a good shooter. Johnny takes a shot and the ball goes straight to the goalie. Little mikes who is in the team is a phenomenal striker and all parents know it. However as I said coach picked johnny to take the kick and he missed.

Here is the question. Little mikes parent who is on the sideline far from the other parents and behind some of the parents didn't like what happen but did not say a word. Little mikes dad gesture to his wife and looked at each other like WTF look. Little mikes dad was not overt but somewhat discreet however little johnnys dad saw little mikes dad and confronts him. Words exchange between 2 parents.

What would you guys do if you were little johnnys dad??? I say little johnnys dad is wrong.

 

[John P]

What age and level? What was the score at the time and how much time left in the game?

If it's a youth league rec game then both parents are likely idiots.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Result of the 'everyone is a winner!' mentality we have about our children now. Some people are just better at certain things than others. Some people prefer winning over letting everyone get a chance.

I don't have kids so I don't really have a stake in this anymore. I just know that this wouldn't have happened when I was a kid.

 

[Newbian]

Um, isn't it usually the person that gets the penalty against them that takes the shot?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Um, isn't it usually the person that gets the penalty against them that takes the shot?

Yeah you're right. I guess based on the scenario I was reading it as if it were an end of the game tie-breaker sort of deal.

 

[PottedMeat]

little johnny's dad was wrong in that he didn't throw a punch that would start a fight. the fight could be enjoyed by all on youtube since at least one parent there would be recording their kid.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Tournament game? Age and Level of play?

When I coached 5th grade youth basketball, everyone played equally. It was about having fun, learning to play and part of a team.

 

[John P]

Um, isn't it usually the person that gets the penalty against them that takes the shot?

No, you're thinking basketball free throws. In soccer the coach picks who kicks the PK.

 

[7window]

This is competitive soccer and it is a tournament. The kids are 12 to 13 yo. There is 20 minutes left. I don't know why you guys missed the question.

 

[John P]

This is competitive soccer and it is a tournament. The kids are 12 to 13 yo. There is 20 minutes left. I don't know why you guys missed the question.

What was the score at the time?

The answer to the question is that both parents were in the wrong. The coach gets to coach and the parents get to watch and cheer postively for their team.

 

[moshquerade]

This is competitive soccer and it is a tournament. The kids are 12 to 13 yo. There is 20 minutes left. I don't know why you guys missed the question.

All I read was over sensitive parents whose lives only consist of being involved in their children's activities.

 

[7window]

All I read was over sensitive parents whose lives only consist of being involved in their children's activities.

Hmmm. no answer? WWYD?

 

[moshquerade]

Hmmm. no answer? WWYD?

not make a deal about the situation. it's kids playing soccer. it's not the world series. who cares?

 

[DrPizza]

Result of the 'everyone is a winner!' mentality we have about our children now. Some people are just better at certain things than others. Some people prefer winning over letting everyone get a chance.

I don't have kids so I don't really have a stake in this anymore. I just know that this wouldn't have happened when I was a kid.

I disagree. Among younger kids, sure, there are a couple who are standouts compared to the rest of the team. However, by pandering to those kids and letting them do everything on their own, they never learn some of the most important parts of the game that have to do with teamwork. Those kids get to a competitive level in high school and discover that everyone else has caught up to them; they're no longer a lot stronger, a lot faster.

I've coached youth soccer. It's about developing skills at that level, not about winning. Quite of a few of my fellow coaches and I went through a lot of training in how to coach the younger kids. Later, those kids who grew up in the system with me and the those other coaches went on to the state championship. Of course, since most of the coaches are also parents, the continuity of having trained coaches was lost.

Did I have kids who could outrun everyone on the team? Yep. What did I have them do? I had them pass to the average players in front of the goal. The more goals his teammates scored, the more playing time he got. Everyone was happy. We didn't care if we won or not (we generally won though.)

 

[moshquerade]

I disagree. Among younger kids, sure, there are a couple who are standouts compared to the rest of the team. However, by pandering to those kids and letting them do everything on their own, they never learn some of the most important parts of the game that have to do with teamwork. Those kids get to a competitive level in high school and discover that everyone else has caught up to them; they're no longer a lot stronger, a lot faster.

I've coached youth soccer. It's about developing skills at that level, not about winning. Quite of a few of my fellow coaches and I went through a lot of training in how to coach the younger kids. Later, those kids who grew up in the system with me and the those other coaches went on to the state championship. Of course, since most of the coaches are also parents, the continuity of having trained coaches was lost.

Did I have kids who could outrun everyone on the team? Yep. What did I have them do? I had them pass to the average players in front of the goal. The more goals his teammates scored, the more playing time he got. Everyone was happy. We didn't care if we won or not (we generally won though.)

This sets up kids for disappointment and disillusion. You do this at a lower level and then when the kid gets to be JV or Varsity level and the game becomes more serious and more about winning, the kids that were average or below average that got just as much playing time as the above average kids are now sitting the bench wondering how this could happen.
Also, the parents of the same kids are all pissed off b/c their kid went from lots of playing time to a little playing time and they can't figure out why.

 

[7window]

not make a deal about the situation. it's kids playing soccer. it's not the world series. who cares?

Mosh say little Johnny dad is wrong? Yes?

 

[Lifted]

Also, the parents of the same kids are all pissed off b/c their kid went from lots of playing time to a little playing time and they can't figure out why.

Giving children a chance to learn and play is not setting them up for failure.

If a kid sucks that bad at high school level then they need to find another sport or activity if they want to get serious playing time.

 

[moshquerade]

Giving children a chance to learn and play is not setting them up for failure.

If a kid sucks that bad at high school level then they need to find another sport or activity if they want to get serious playing time.

children, little kids, yes, but up to what level should this go? Because it's not going to be "one for all" all the way up through.

 

[edro]

Johnny's dad needs to get over it.
Mike's parents didn't jump up, yell, say Johnny sucks, etc.

Yeah, it sucks that this world has people like Mike's parents, but that's just the way it is.

 

[waggy]

This sets up kids for disappointment and disillusion. You do this at a lower level and then when the kid gets to be JV or Varsity level and the game becomes more serious and more about winning, the kids that were average or below average that got just as much playing time as the above average kids are now sitting the bench wondering how this could happen.
Also, the parents of the same kids are all pissed off b/c their kid went from lots of playing time to a little playing time and they can't figure out why.

thats just ..idiotic.

it does not set up kids for disappointment. at t he levels DrP is talking about it teaches them the skills needed for higher levels. You can't say little johnny is a stand out at 5 so he will be at 15. just as you can't say little mike sucks so he will suck at 15.

 

[moshquerade]

thats just ..idiotic.

it does not set up kids for disappointment. at t he levels DrP is talking about it teaches them the skills needed for higher levels. You can't say little johnny is a stand out at 5 so he will be at 15. just as you can't say little mike sucks so he will suck at 15.

thanks.

he seemed to be referring to higher ages of play, not five year olds.

 

[ProfJohn]

Both parents are in the wrong.

Johnny's are worse because until he created a scene no one else probably even noticed the bad behavior by the other parents.


BTW my niece plays at a very high level so I have lots of experience with the good vs not so good player issue. Very frustrating for everyone involved, especially when playing high level opponents. Sad to see some kids have to sit out the entire game, but it wouldn't be fair to the better kids to let them play.

 

[Fenixgoon]

the coach picked johnny. everyone else can pound sand.

in little kids play, teaching/learning the game is more important than developing superstars...because there's plenty of time to do that later.

my dad and our neighbor were banned from coaching together because their teams were so dominant. they didn't teach to win - they taught the kids how to play soccer, and won as a result.

 

[jiggahertz]

It doesn't matter no one cares about soccer once the kids are old enough to drive anyway.

 

[CPA]

What was the score at the time?

The answer to the question is that both parents were in the wrong. The coach gets to coach and the parents get to watch and cheer postively for their team.

I agree about letting the coach, coach, but parents aren't always going to be positive if it's a competitive team and the parents are shelling out big bucks, especially if it's a travel squad.