YouTube "star" kicked off Delta flight for speaking Arabic

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It is possible (actually my initial response was to assume it was a prank meant to show how people react now, but that in no way excuses the reactions that some people have, where instead of saying he's a piece of shit they immediately jump to other shit). Plus you absolutely got trolled as well considering what you posted.

Just like the situation with the kid and the clock, it is very possible for both "sides" to be pieces of shit. But when one side is spewing the vitriol and hate that they are, I absolutely take bigger issue with that.
 
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Deliberate or not, embellished or not, fact or not, the comments section of that article is disgusting.

This.

Even if you think the guy is a lying asshole, saying some of the stuff people are is not the way to deal with it.

Its being discussed over at Flyertalk and at least one person was on that plane and has a different take on the issue that the supposed victim. Its a member only subforum but here is the post:



http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/omni-pr/1810046-dl-1-dec-21-2016-altercation-lhr.html

Also:



http://www.mediaite.com/online/repo...disputing-adam-salehs-story-about-phone-call/

Edit - I thought this guy looked kinda familiar. Apparently he also lied about flying in a cargo hold in Australia on Tiger Air. While they rank towards the bottom of my 'Preferred airlines' list I appriciate their responses:

Tigerair wasted no time slamming the popular American vlogger.




http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/article.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=11768595

Just to play devil's advocate, he didn't actually witness the initiating situation. It is possible that the guy did have someone saying shit to him and then he flipped out (and deservedly got removed from the plane).

I'm not so sure it's right to be mad at Delta and blame them. They have rules saying if passengers feel uncomfortable then they (the captain) can remove a person, and I wouldn't be surprised if other airlines were like this.

If you wanna be pissed at someone (rightfully so in his case), be pissed at the knuckle dragging inbreds who are shitting themselves because he was speaking Arabic.

Agreed, Delta seems to have acted appropriately. And even if he did have some passenger saying shit, he should have alerted the flight crew instead of yelling.

Those knuckle draggers might well not exist in this story (well at least with regards to the situation on the plane).

I think it is right to take issue with the guy's antics (actually take issue is light, what legal recourse can Delta take, if nothing else but on behalf of the passengers), but the manner to do it isn't to spout off racist/bigoted shit.

this guy is a fake video making piece of shit

hes prob lying again

It seems very possible.
 

shortylickens

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Just wait another month and you'll have a president who will soon mandate english-only at airports.
 

Imp

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I'm tempted to go to a crowded place and yell out "Allahu Akbar"... is it worse than yelling "fire" these days?
 

Elixer

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I'm tempted to go to a crowded place and yell out "Allahu Akbar"... is it worse than yelling "fire" these days?

Not only would that be incredibly stupid, but I am betting you would be looking at jail time for inciting, and if someone happens to get hurt in the process, civil suits as well.
Heck, you might not even make it out of there depending on the crowd.
 
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Red Squirrel

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Kinda sad really. Now different languages actually offend people?

I'm tempted to go to a crowded place and yell out "Allahu Akbar"... is it worse than yelling "fire" these days?

Funny thing is it means God is great so it does not actually mean anything bad, but yeah I don't imagine it would go over well to yell that in a public place lol.
 

Rifter

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Just when i thought Racism was going away it seems to be coming back in full force. I mean someone speaking another language should be 100% ok, regardless of what the language is. Peoples reactions to Arabic are getting out of control. People need to stop living in fear and take control of their lives.
 

magomago

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I speak arabic on flights all the time. I just casually toss in the word "strawberries" or "rainbows" here and there, and I've never had an issue. Calms down the irrational sheep quite well.
 

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Thanks for proving my point exactly. So how exactly would you define terrorist?

Don't think the IRA qualifies? Khmer Rouge? Aum Shinirikyo? What about the various pro/anti nationalist groups (all over the world) over the years?

Don't care that we've actually used terrorist groups for our own personal gains over the years?

Listing terrorist groups from 10+ years ago is pretty immaterial to the point that the predominant language of terrorism TODAY is Arabic.
 

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Need to hear both sides of the story before making judgement but the dude seems like an attention whoring POS. This is most likely either a stunt, hoax, or he was just straight up being an entitled, obnoxious douche on the plane and got kicked off.
 

Imp

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The more I read about this, the more I'm wondering if it's just a "prank" or "social experiment."

...........After reading the CBS article, ya, probably a hoax.
 

Red Squirrel

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He did do a prank about going inside a checked luggage, so it could very well be a prank. The airline itself responded to the tweet to say it never happened because they have footage lol.

I'm all for fun pranks but seems like some of these might be a bit far and could result badly.
 

JEDIYoda

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You have been trolled You didn`t even read the article.
Last paragraph of article --
Islamophobia is a real thing and Muslims around the world suffer at the hands of both Muslims (i.e. terrorists) and non-Muslims. I hope I’m wrong about him, but Saleh isn’t doing any one any favors when he cries “wolf” like he possibly did today.
Read more at http://redalertpolitics.com/2016/12...-known-hoax-artist-video/#yIbWKrkGVFZLj8GF.99
 

deustroop

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And for some, the American government is the largest and most prevalent terrorist organization of the past 50 years.

For these muslims that you mention, their religious bigotry fuels the justification of killing as many Americans as they can. Which makes all non muslim people very nervous when they hear arabic on a plane because the plane itself has been a favorite muslim fundamentalist venue of homicide .

Anyone thinking it is unreasonable to disavow an arab speaking troublemaker on a plane is uninformed. Fool us once and shame on us, fool us twice and fuck you. That's the meaning of "Islamophobia".
 
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pcgeek11

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They did the right thing in tossing him off the plane. They should also put him on the " No Fly List ".
 
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Not only would that be incredibly stupid, but I am betting you would be looking at jail time for inciting, and if someone happens to get hurt in the process, civil suits as well.
Heck, you might not even make it out of there depending on the crowd.

Yeah. But would make for some interesting analysis (have variety of people that look different, race/gender/clothing/appearance/etc, and also speak different languages and see how people react).

Listing terrorist groups from 10+ years ago is pretty immaterial to the point that the predominant language of terrorism TODAY is Arabic.

It is not at all because what constitutes terrorism is quite arbitrary (the oft used "one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist"). When we were using it as reason for overthrowing governments and installing favorable dictators, terrorists used to be mostly Marxist/Communist (with Arab revolutionary groups having a strong showing as well as justification for us propping up dictators there). Also, it is very material because we're seeing some of the telltale signs that often precursor massive scale terrorism occurring.

Again, that isn't true today. I am not disputing that there are a lot of terrorists that do, but there is a lot of other terrorism going on in the world. The drug cartels being another prominent one and the various government managed terrorism (a lot of that is in Arab/Muslim countries too to be fair). You can squabble over it technically meeting the definition of terrorism used by various political affiliations, but it fits the literal definition and the results are no different.

Just because I'm disputing that Islamic extremist group terrorism is the vast majority of terrorism does not mean I'm saying it is fine. It definitely needs to be addressed, but the methods that some people are clamoring for are just going to make us bad guys as well. And it is fueling and being fueled by xenophobic fearmongering, which can lead to much darker places.

I'd even argue the specifics of the language and religion are the most immaterial aspects of this even, and its more about how ideology can influence and escalate things. We see similar actions from people of wide varieties and spectrums of ideologies. How and why do people fall into that? What fuels some people to become extremists? And what causes it to escalate that to terrorism?

For these muslims that you mention, their religious bigotry fuels the justification of killing as many Americans as they can. Which makes all non muslim people very nervous when they hear arabic on a plane because the plane itself has been a favorite muslim fundamentalist venue of homicide .

Anyone thinking it is unreasonable to disavow an arab speaking troublemaker on a plane is uninformed. Fool us once and shame on us, fool us twice and fuck you. That's the meaning of "Islamophobia".

Well actually us killing them by the thousands should provide plenty of justification (if its good enough for us, why shouldn't it be for them?). They just use their unique translation of their religion to absolve themselves of guilt for their methods (although in reality they really don't have much choice, their only option to attack is to use the methods they have been; and actually they often aren't attacking us, just taking credit for random crazy spree killers).

The issue is that for some people, the act of speaking Arabic is considered troublemaking. Also a problem is that people only seem to really give a shit about the terrorism being perpetrated by them when it is against us or similar countries (see the disparity in reporting of attacks that have happened in the US/Europe to elsewhere), when by and large the victims of Islamic extremists are other Arabs and Muslims. And that matters because it has blinded us to how our actions are actually creating a feedback loop. But much like how we refuse to accept our war on drugs to be a total failure and helping fuel the most negative parts of it, we're doing the exact same thing with the war on terror. And a big part of that is letting baseless fear grip us and let us be manipulated by politicians using it for their own personal gain while they make the problem worse.
 

deustroop

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Just because I'm disputing that Islamic extremist group terrorism is the vast majority of terrorism does not mean I'm saying it is fine. It definitely needs to be addressed, but the methods that some people are clamoring for are just going to make us bad guys as well. And it is fueling and being fueled by xenophobic fearmongering, which can lead to much darker places.

I'd even argue the specifics of the language and religion are the most immaterial aspects of this even, and its more about how ideology can influence and escalate things. We see similar actions from people of wide varieties and spectrums of ideologies. How and why do people fall into that? What fuels some people to become extremists? And what causes it to escalate that to terrorism?


You are blabbering on, completely divorced from the real world. Either talk about the thread's issue with muslims and aircraft, not with "wide varieties" bla bla bla, or STFU . Academic dissemblers like your self with dramatic references to fear mongering and your favorite, xenophobia/islamophobia are part of the problem. Your effort to enlarge a debate in order to reduce its focus on the specific problem, with suicidal muslims (who can be any muslim at any time), is not helping these radical fools live a longer life.
 
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