Yuna Kim retired

ponyo

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Most people here probably don't know who she is or care. But I just wanted to mention this amazing athlete/figure skater. She officially retired as a competitive skater two days ago. She skated to Nessun Dorma for her final program at her ATS ice show.

http://youtu.be/7JnPkt4R4wQ

For Koreans and many figure skating fans, she was like the Michael Jordan of her sport. IMO, she was the greatest competitive ladies figure skater ever.

Phil Hersh tribute to Yuna Kim
 
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Zeze

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Too bad she was literally stolen of her gold medal due to heavy home country favoritism @ Sochi winter olympics.
 

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I wouldn't neccessarily say she was robbed. The Russian girl landed one more jump than Yuna and I believe Yuna wasn't perfect.

But, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a judging scandal. It wouldn't be the first time Russia has cheated in the Olypmics.
 

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I wouldn't neccessarily say she was robbed. The Russian girl landed one more jump than Yuna and I believe Yuna wasn't perfect.

But, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a judging scandal. It wouldn't be the first time Russia has cheated in the Olypmics.

One more triple jump explanation was what NBC and NY Times told the casual viewers to hide the controversy. But figure skating fans know the truth. Yuna was robbed of her second gold.

The truth is Adelina didn't do one more triple jump. She did the same number of triple jumps as Yuna. Adelina was credited with an extra triple toe jump when she under rotated the triple toe on the triple lutz/triple toe combination. The second triple toe should've been downgraded to double toe for under rotation. Second, Adelina should've been called for Flutz on her triple lutz/triple toe combo. Adelina can't do a proper triple lutz. She Flutz every single time. She has been called for Flutz at every competition outside Russia the past year. The judges know she flutzes. The only place she hasn't been hit with the Flutz calls were at the Cup of Russia and Russia Nationals which were both held in Russia. At ever other international competitions, she received Flutz call and the negative mandatory points deduction. The fear of Flutz call was the reason Adelina did the easier Triple Toe/Triple Toe combination during her short program rather than the more difficult Triple lutz/Triple toe like Yuna. Adelina should've never broken 70 points in her short program with 3t/3t combination. That's the easiest triple combination and I've never seen any skater break 70 in a short program with such simple combo. Third, Adelina received level 4 on her step sequences when she clearly deserved a 3. Likewise Yuna was awarded 3 for her step sequence when she clearly should've received level four. I won't even talk about the gross inflated PCS scores Adelina received.

Yuna skated clean in both programs. Adelina had a major stumble/step out on her loop jump.
 
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judging figure skating is subjective anyways.

bring on the robot judges and cameras that can analyze the performances in real-time.
 

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She can't be the greatest ever if I've never heard of her. :hmm:

KT
 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZEg_Ic28UY

i LOVE this performance- doing bond 007. It's hilarious how the judges are literally having orgasm.

Yeah, that video is from her short program at Skate America in 2009. The thing you can't really see or feel from the videos is how fast she skates or how high and far she jumps. She literally flies when she does her signature triple lutz/ triple toe. Her second triple toe is even higher than her first triple lutz. It's a sight to behold. Her triple flip/triple toe she used to do was even more amazing.

Here's her opening Triple Lutz/Triple Toe combination from her Adios Noninos free skate program at Sochi. She performed this with a broken right foot.

 

BudAshes

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She can't be the greatest ever if I've never heard of her. :hmm:

KT

Try some youtube, she's amazing and hot, so it's win, win. Winter Olympics should get more respect, I think they are 1000x more entertaining than most of whats on TV and now with On-demand you can actually watch the events at your leisure.
 

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Yuna Kim Les Miserables at 2013 World Championships

Yuna took a break from competition for almost two years and came back to compete at the 2013 Worlds. She not only returned but destroyed her competition. She won her second World title. This time by the largest margin ever since the adoption of the IJS scoring system. Adelina Sotnikova finished 9th, 42.33 points behind Yuna Kim.
 

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One can only imagine how much work/effort/practice it takes to get that level, it shows in her performances and her body which has not a bit of fat on it, she's quite beautiful.
 

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I wouldn't neccessarily say she was robbed. The Russian girl landed one more jump than Yuna and I believe Yuna wasn't perfect.

But, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a judging scandal. It wouldn't be the first time Russia has cheated in the Olypmics.

I recall a few days after that, one of the figure scating reporters was describing how judging is scored. One of the components in the scoring is: "Evoking an emotional response/connection with the audience."

....yeah. no way in fuck that was going to be an even stage. lol. Now, I'm obviously not saying that is a judging scandal, it's just extremely unfair based on the joke that is any event dependent on judge-based scoring.
 

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I recall a few days after that, one of the figure scating reporters was describing how judging is scored. One of the components in the scoring is: "Evoking an emotional response/connection with the audience."

....yeah. no way in fuck that was going to be an even stage. lol. Now, I'm obviously not saying that is a judging scandal, it's just extremely unfair based on the joke that is any event dependent on judge-based scoring.

That is the same with pretty much all the Olympic judging. If it can't be timed, it is up to the judges discretion. Snowboarding, ski jumping, ice skating, all that.

Hell, even the boxing has a moronic scoring system (at least, it used to). The 3 judges all have to press a button signifying a boxer scored a point within a time limit of each other, or the point doesn't count.

Did the Russian girl get a potentially inflated score due to her eliciting an emotional response with the audience? Probably. Did Yuna Kim get a lower score because she was in Russia? Not from everything I've heard. Her score was in line with what she should have gotten.


And besides, female ice skating is a joke. The male skating is far better. More technical, better jumps, and overall just better. Yuzuru Hanyu's worst performance makes Yuna Kim look like the ice capades backup performers.
 

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That is the same with pretty much all the Olympic judging. If it can't be timed, it is up to the judges discretion. Snowboarding, ski jumping, ice skating, all that.

Hell, even the boxing has a moronic scoring system (at least, it used to). The 3 judges all have to press a button signifying a boxer scored a point within a time limit of each other, or the point doesn't count.

Did the Russian girl get a potentially inflated score due to her eliciting an emotional response with the audience? Probably. Did Yuna Kim get a lower score because she was in Russia? Not from everything I've heard. Her score was in line with what she should have gotten.


And besides, female ice skating is a joke. The male skating is far better. More technical, better jumps, and overall just better. Yuzuru Hanyu's worst performance makes Yuna Kim look like the ice capades backup performers.


yeah, I get that, and it's also why I dismiss nearly all athletic events that require judging, even though there is no way around it. Nearly all--I think events like gymnastics are certainly competitive very athletic events, and there is no way around the judging once you get to that level--OK, essentially no one is falling down and everyone kicks ass at this level, how the fuck do they compete?

Skiing, as much as I love it, I can only tolerate downhill--because it requires no judges and is actually useful. No one would really be doing freestyle or moguls or that crap if it mattered. I apply this to swimming: racing, relevant and useful (I need to escape a shark that is trying to eat me.) Diving, which requires judges? wtf is the point of this diving thing in any real world scenario? pfft. Stuff like that is the "sporting" equivalent of a dog show. I get that this certainly requires athleticism to be good at, but who cares?

figure skating--very athletic. But I mostly see this as a Broadway show or some such.

Boxing is the only other that I can see has necessarily athletic and requiring judging--though that judging is simply to increase statistical reliability. You can quantify number of hits and get a real score, but you need a couple of heads to even out the discrepancies.

using "audience participation" as a metric in the scoring system....absurd.
 
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