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WilliamM2

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Just came across this:

 

fskimospy

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Just came across this:

It's odd that Twitter's resident Free Speech Absolutist has endorsed the guy who wants to shut down media for saying things he doesn't like.
 

HomerJS

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This never happens. In these situations, the baby is simply delivered and the medical complications dealt with (mother or baby).
I may be rare but do you know what is MORE rare if not ZERO? A woman at 8 months 2 weeks aborting a heathy fetus.

Find us the one case where that happened.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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It's pretty simple. His stated policies are more in line with my beliefs than Harris.

I don't think you have anything to be concerned about as I don't see Trump winning the election.
Really? You think I steal by neighbors dogs and cats for food?
You think it's cool to sexually assault women?

Good luck with your humanity or what's left of it.
 
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dank69

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JujuFish asked Greenman to ignore the insults. You are justifying them by posting this claim. But in my opinion your claim would only make sense if Greenman were consciously doing that.

My guess is that as a conservative Greenman has more areas if conservatives that are important to him than you do, so you can’t as easily comprehend where he is coming from as he can comprehend you. You are poo pooing values that have functioned for hundreds of thousands of years that have helped humanity survive.

Those values are real. They are worthy of respect. You are putting him down for having them. I think that is improper moral behavior. He would be morally objectionable if he consciously aims to harm you at his own expense. I think he is likely doing just that but not with conscious intent but because he does not see what we do. Your aim, in my opinion would be better served, in my opinion, if you had some respect for people who have more areas of moral concerns than you do and just argue with them as to what you see they get wrong about how they misunderstand their own moral beliefs. He isn’t Evelyn, he is wrong in his application of those beliefs.

Trump spouts all kinds of conservative moral beliefs but trump has only one real concern and it’s having the power to satisfy his lusts.

It isn’t enough to hold moral ideals. You need to understand them and apply them properly as well.

Read up on ‘moral concerns Jonathan Haidt”.
We've been over this before but I don't think you've actually been listening, so we can do it again:

"Those values are real. They are worthy of respect." Those values are not real. If they were real, they would be worthy of respect, but they are not real.

A lot has happened since Haidt published that has exposed conservatives for the lying, deceitful garbage that they are to their core. What Haidt showed is that conservatives are willing to claim they care about a larger number of "values," not that they actually care about them. They care about them when it is convenient, and immediately stop caring about them when caring becomes inconvenient. That is not caring. That is lying and manipulation.

Just one of thousands of examples: Conservatives cared about the economy under Jimmy Carter. They did not care that he was a moral man. Conservatives cared about family values when Bill Clinton was painting Monica Lewinsky's dress. They cared when he smoked cigars that she stowed in her humidor. Sexual deviancy mattered more than the strong economy we enjoyed under Clinton, but the opposite was true for Carter. Then Trump comes along. Surprise, sexual deviancy is no longer an issue, AT ALL. What matters is how good Trump is for the economy. Conservatives tell Haidt they care about the economy and they care about sexual deviants. +2 points for conservatives per Haidt. They've shown since then that they care about neither when applied to their team. They only "care" when it is a useful hammer to hit a Democrat. That isn't caring about an issue. It is only caring about hurting "the other."

So now that we can observe that the values are not real, we can conclude that they are also not worthy of respect.
 

dank69

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Seems like the consensus is that she won against that old broken-down pile of crap.
 

Indus

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Seems like the consensus is that she won against that old broken-down pile of crap.

Meaning she didn't collapse like Biden as some hoped she would.

Now the bigger question does it move the needle?

Honest answer: maybe.. Trump is a known quantity so people are comfortable with him vs a woman who they don't know. She's gotta make people comfortable enough to vote for her (a woman).
 

JD50

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It's pretty simple. His stated policies are more in line with my beliefs than Harris.

I don't think you have anything to be concerned about as I don't see Trump winning the election.
This is funny because you claimed for a very long time that you weren't a Trump supporter, you didn't vote for him, and you wouldn't vote for him in the future. Then you decided that you had to vote for Trump simply because Biden wasn't mentally fit to hold office. Now that Trumps opponent is lucid and perfectly capable of running the country, you're no longer concerned about voting for someone who is mentally unfit to hold office.

  • Immigrants stealing and eating pets, he believes it because he heard it on TV.
  • Everyone, including Democrats, wanted Roe overturned.
  • "concept of a plan" to replace Obamacare, even though he's been talking about it for 9 years.
  • Post birth abortions not only happening but being legal...somewhere.
  • Still believes that he won the 2020 presidential election.
  • Thinks Israel will be wiped off the map if Kamala wins.
  • Believes that violent crime is higher than ever, despite all available data.
I'm sure I missed some things, but you either believe all of that, or you think someone who believes all of that is mentally sound.

Can you confirm for us that you no longer care if the President is mentally sound, as long as their "stated policies" align with yours?
 

Stokely

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Just came across this:


Makes me more inclined to watch/read ABC news I can tell you. In fact, I'm so tired of Apple news on my iphone having most stories walled off by their paid bs, that Installed the ABC app today.

I'm all for fact-checking and that applies to any candidate for any party. Don't let politicians spout bullshit in "debates" or interviews. Trump just happens to be the one that doesn't go a sentence without completely making shit up, I guess he feels especially butt-hurt.
 

Stokely

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Meaning she didn't collapse like Biden as some hoped she would.

Now the bigger question does it move the needle?

Honest answer: maybe.. Trump is a known quantity so people are comfortable with him vs a woman who they don't know. She's gotta make people comfortable enough to vote for her (a woman).


I'm kind of thinking that (maybe) Taylor Swift's endorsement followed by Trump fluffer Musk's creepy-as-shit offer to impregnate her could hurt Trump worse. His debate performance sounds like typical elderly cartoon crazy Trump. Damn if his eyes don't look super bugged and and deranged now though--sucks to be the old dude doesn't it Trump.

re: another debate
Sounds like she coasted in this one after an early nervous start. Why would any future debates turn out any differently? Trump will be fuming to pay her back so he'll be even more hostile and deranged than he apparently was in this one. And if he wisely declines, then he's the fucking chicken, it's draft-dodging corporal bone spurs all over again.
 
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I'm kind of thinking that (maybe) Taylor Swift's endorsement followed by Trump fluffer Musk's creepy-as-shit offer to impregnate her could hurt Trump worse. His debate performance sounds like typical elderly cartoon crazy Trump. Damn if his eyes don't look super bugged and and deranged now though--sucks to be the old dude doesn't it Trump.

re: another debate
Sounds like she coasted in this one after an early nervous start. Why would any future debates turn out any differently? Trump will be fuming to pay her back so he'll be even more hostile and deranged than he apparently was in this one. And if he wisely declines, then he's the fucking chicken, it's draft-dodging corporal bone spurs all over again.
Doubt it, there has never been a more clear election between two candidates. There are no undecided voters but a handful of idiots and mentally challenged people in each State. Overwhelming majority of those who state they are undecided have decided they are simply embarrassed too admit so or like the cnn panel don’t seem to understand what undecided means or simply want airtime to help Trump.
 
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brycejones

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I honestly thought that she was going to slip up and say *motherfu**ker* here.

Honestly I would have given my left testicle and parts of my right foot to hear her say, this "motherfucker over here!!!" Please tell my I'm not the only one who wished for that!
Motherfucker, dumb ass, delusional brain addled old fucker, cracker, crazy uncle, whack job, weird old man, weird fucker, etc.

I would have been cool with any of those.
 
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nOOky

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Kudos to her for not wasting her time trying to dispel all of the lies coming out of his cock-shaped mouth, instead sharing her vision. It went almost exactly like you would expect a man on trial being baited by a prosecutor would go, except she can't have the satisfaction of watching him be led away in handcuffs.

Yet
 

Pens1566

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Doubt it, there has never been a more clear election between two candidates. There are no undecided voters but a handful of idiots and mentally challenged people in each State. Overwhelming majority of those who state they are undecided have decided they are simply embarrassed to admit so or like the cnn panel don’t seem to understand what undecided means or simply want airtime to help Trump.

That's where I'm at with "undecideds". They're either fucking morons, or they're lying to get some sort of attention out of it. With most of them I lean towards the former. Especially after hearing their reasoning for STILL not being able to make up their minds. It's always something nonsensical or contradictory.

Carlin was 100% correct.
 

eelw

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That's where I'm at with "undecideds". They're either fucking morons, or they're lying to get some sort of attention out of it. With most of them I lean towards the former. Especially after hearing their reasoning for STILL not being able to make up their minds. It's always something nonsensical or contradictory.

Carlin was 100% correct.
Falls back to the exit polls in 2016. They were too chicken to admit they voted orange monkey back then
 
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Pens1566

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Falls back to the exit polls in 2016. They were too chicken to admit they voted orange monkey back then

Which also makes basically zero sense on their part. You're voting for someone to lead the free world, but you can't bring yourself to admit that??? Thinking the candidate is the right choice doesn't line up with also knowing most people think they're a barely sentient meat sack.
 
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