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BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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I've said it myself any single individual can be racist, but The Republican Party and conservatives embrace, practice, condone and associate with prominent racists.

That same group then tries to claim racism doesn't exist or if it does it's both sides.

Don’t forget. The Dems and their “affirmative action” programs are actually the racists for insinuating that minorities can’t make it without help. DEI is racist!
 
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Nov 17, 2019
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Sounds like my neighbor.

I don't want to understand the intricacies.. I just want it fixed 10 minutes ago. Trump is the only one who can do that while dems go into excuses.
Mine said he was going Orange because he's and I quote 'a good christian'.

You could literally hear my eyes rolling back into my head.
 
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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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Mine said he was going Orange because he's and I quote 'a good christian'.

You could literally hear my eyes rolling back into my head.

Clearly a guy you don't wanna hire for landscaping or a new driveway or fixing your car or worse.

Not able to do calculations in his head.. more of a bullshit artist.. you know the type where you don't get your money's worth!
 

esquared

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 8, 2000
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Don't also forget, when you are negative toward a bigot, you are a bigot! Bigoted toward bigots, it's hypocrisy of the highest order!
Yeah, its just like we/us/me being intolerant of the very people who spout their intolerant views.
Sorry man, I do not have to listen to your incessant , intolerant bullshit, so STFU.
 
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Indus

Lifer
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Meaning she didn't collapse like Biden as some hoped.

Now the bigger question does it move the needle?

Honest answer: maybe.. Trump is a known quantity so people are comfortable with him vs a woman who they don't know. She's gotta make people comfortable enough to vote for her (a woman).


Apparently no, but she's solidified her base instead of crumbling like Joe did.

I still think the Gaza douchebags in MI and PA are gonna cost her the race.
 

jdubs03

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Oct 1, 2013
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Republicans defending Trump's racism because that's what the racist party does. Really both sides??
And this is what happens ⬇️

It’s absolute depravity. They keep going further and further with nonsensical bullshit. And then there are the idiot followers who are so brainwashed they probably could be convinced we live on Mars, do this. Just because they’re mad at a made up story, or because they can thinking there won’t be any accountability.
 

trenchfoot

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That Trump keeps ratcheting up his racist diatribes and fear evoking rhetoric post-debate makes me wonder if there is a tipping point, an event horizon where even his own nutjob fruitie-tooties will get tired and bored of the same monotonous broken record lies and conspiracies being endlessly repeated ad nauseum, with the casual half-hearted MAGAts being the first ones to poke a hole in the dam.
 
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akugami

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I just finished another article basically stating that independents didn't feel Harris answered enough specifics on her plan to help the economy, thus they are leaning towards Trump. It's really hard to wrap my head around that sort of fucked up logic. My wife has a childhood friend that is usually a reliable Democrat, but she is voting Trump because illegals are given drivers licenses in her state, and she thinks all of the extra traffic on the roads is composed of illegals interrupting her morning commute. She doesn't answer when asked if she thinks it's just going back to the way it was before covid when people actually had to show up at work.

I honestly want to ask these "undecided voters" a simple two part question.

What do you think Trump's five biggest accomplishments are while he was president?

What do you think Trump's five biggest accomplishments will be if he's president again?

Because for normal thinking Americans, we can see that aside from grifting the F out of America, and tax breaks for the wealthy, what did Trump accomplish?
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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That Trump keeps ratcheting up his racist diatribes and fear evoking rhetoric post-debate makes me wonder if there is a tipping point, an event horizon where even his own nutjob fruitie-tooties will get tired and bored of the same monotonous broken record lies and conspiracies being endlessly repeated ad nauseum, with the casual half-hearted MAGAts being the first ones to poke a hole in the dam.
Because of the cult like nature of his followers, no.
 
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I honestly want to ask these "undecided voters" a simple two part question.

What do you think Trump's five biggest accomplishments are while he was president?

What do you think Trump's five biggest accomplishments will be if he's president again?

Because for normal thinking Americans, we can see that aside from grifting the F out of America, and tax breaks for the wealthy, what did Trump accomplish?
Easy they’ll spout nonsensical bullshit that didn’t happen like:
China paid us for the tariffs
Illegal immigration went to nearly nothing
I earned a ton more money
My taxes were thousand maybe tens of thousands less
Gas’s was super cheap

You can ask them to quantify these claims but they won’t or they’ll get pissed you asked.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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That Trump keeps ratcheting up his racist diatribes and fear evoking rhetoric post-debate makes me wonder if there is a tipping point, an event horizon where even his own nutjob fruitie-tooties will get tired and bored of the same monotonous broken record lies and conspiracies being endlessly repeated ad nauseum, with the casual half-hearted MAGAts being the first ones to poke a hole in the dam.
Nope…the more he lies and spews bullshit, the more they love him.
 
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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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That Trump keeps ratcheting up his racist diatribes and fear evoking rhetoric post-debate makes me wonder if there is a tipping point, an event horizon where even his own nutjob fruitie-tooties will get tired and bored of the same monotonous broken record lies and conspiracies being endlessly repeated ad nauseum, with the casual half-hearted MAGAts being the first ones to poke a hole in the dam.

I think we've answered that after 9 years.. a firm no!
 
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Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Talk about projection. DJT was pretty damn rich at times and has always been disconnected from the everyday concerns of the vast majority of Americans. Attempting to dump that onus on the most popular entertainer in modern times is going to do nothing but ensure her millions of followers are going to shun the Republican ticket. Nice job, Shady. You and Donald are digging a canyon-wide hole for yourselves.

Over 400,000 hits at vote.gov since Taylor's post. What percentage of those are going to vote for Harris/Vance ticket? The great majority is the answer. And it's just starting. Other major celebrities are piling on.
 
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jdubs03

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That Trump keeps ratcheting up his racist diatribes and fear evoking rhetoric post-debate makes me wonder if there is a tipping point, an event horizon where even his own nutjob fruitie-tooties will get tired and bored of the same monotonous broken record lies and conspiracies being endlessly repeated ad nauseum, with the casual half-hearted MAGAts being the first ones to poke a hole in the dam.
So I posted this in the Loomer thread because it made sense there. But it goes along with the current discussion.
Will undecided voters/independents pay attention to the fact that Trump is hanging out with perhaps one of the nuttiest “popular” figures on the far-right? Who has advocated for imprisoning and broadcasting the execution Democrats; for the crime of… being a Democrat. For toasting a neo-nazi and saying that they’re actively engaged in a hostile takeover of the Republican Party. Who even Marjorie Taylor Frickin Greene is beefing with!

I’d have to think it will play some part. That supposedly centrist-types would be able to actually look critically and objectively at the Trump campaign, their tone, their plans, and the people that Trump associates with and are in his inner-circle, and be like “yeah no way I’m for that”. But I am certainly not confident about that. Because overall on a whole this election wouldn’t even be close.
The most important question involved here isn't about trying to somehow convert anyone in the Trump base of anything really.
He could literally shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his base will say it wasn't real or the person shot had it coming. They will come to his defense in every conceivable way.
It's about the middle 10% of the voter base that swings either way. And particularly in PA, MI, and WI. They're the ones that truly matter (unfortunately).

I think enough can be convinced if Harris and Walz do this (in addition to the quote above that maybe might have some sway on its own):
-Constantly talk about how Trumps' economic plan has been evaluated by reputable sources, to increase inflation, lower GDP growth, and increase unemployment.
-Constantly bring up the fact that his own administrative officials have refused to endorse him and many have outright come out against him saying he is unfit to be elected. Can include Cheney and Kinzinger.
-Constantly mention how Trump torpedoed the bipartisan Senate negotiated border bill that would've significantly restricted border crossings. And tie that to the fact that he did it, because he wanted an issue to run on during the Election.

-And obviously be more detailed in her own plans for the economy and immigration.

Add all of this up, it should be enough. But just the fact that there is constant bullsh that comes out of Trump and Vance and their ecosystem, it really shouldn't be close.
 

Dave_5k

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Will take a few days to get good quality polls to get a better picture.

The bad news is most news sites have completely stopped coverage of the complete self-destruction of Trump at the debate, even to the limited extent they initially covered it, less than 36 hours later.

And Trump's dangerous lies are instead being repeatedly re-iterated and magnified again in ways that MAGA can believe them to be true in headlines and on conservative media, including unchallenged claims on conservative media that ABC fact checks were all wrong, that Democrats execute babies and Haitians are in fact a complete locust swarm across Ohio eating pets and all small animals. Welcome to Murdoch and Conservative media "truths" drowning MAGA minds.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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And this is what happens ⬇️

It’s absolute depravity. They keep going further and further with nonsensical bullshit. And then there are the idiot followers who are so brainwashed they probably could be convinced we live on Mars, do this. Just because they’re mad at a made up story, or because they can thinking there won’t be any accountability.
Fascism always uses violence to silence those who speak against it.
 
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