Zeitgeist II - Addendum

CrazyLazy

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I tried to watch it for the lolz but the first 10 min was just so mind numbingly boring intro involving close ups of the human eye like they did in "Requiem for a Dream" only a thousands time worse.
 

destrekor

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The religious part was the ONLY good thing from the original movie. The rest was utter trash as is typical for all this conspiracy theory bullshit. No way in hell will I watch another one.
 

uberman

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Originally posted by: destrekor
The religious part was the ONLY good thing from the original movie. The rest was utter trash as is typical for all this conspiracy theory bullshit. No way in hell will I watch another one.

Interesting! I thought the religous part was the least credible, but thought everything else had a certain amount of truth and possibility in it. After the religious part, I found it interesting.

 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: uberman
Originally posted by: destrekor
The religious part was the ONLY good thing from the original movie. The rest was utter trash as is typical for all this conspiracy theory bullshit. No way in hell will I watch another one.

Interesting! I thought the religous part was the least credible, but thought everything else had a certain amount of truth and possibility in it. After the religious part, I found it interesting.

Well anyone that actually believes in a particular religion is obviously going to find Part 1 to be upsetting and point to 'flaws'. I hate religion, everything about it, and have certain beliefs as to why it exists. Its always been a necessary evil, but we are slowly getting to the point where it'll no longer be necessary and will cause more harm than good. Mankind, in our intelligence, has a flaw that we feel a need to have a purpose since we see ourselves as unique in comparison to other creatures just because of what we have developed. We're not special. If people can get that into their heads, we can move on to a better life.
Even if the notion of ditching religion and no longer believing in a god is a false concept and is 'wrong', it'll set the stage for greater advancement of the human species, and if a creator does exist, should surely appreciate the notion of mankind doing something to better itself.
We'll likely never, as a species, completely ditch our belief in a higher power, but I think we have great potential if we can ditch the religious nature and simply keep it to being a belief, and only a belief.
 

Cheesetogo

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I wish they had attempted to make the first movie in a less biased fashion - all of its credibility went out the window for me after they made some completely false claims.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
I wish they had attempted to make the first movie in a less biased fashion - all of its credibility went out the window for me after they made some completely false claims.

all these conspiracy theories are founded on seemingly sound false claims.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: narutofan36
remember, this is about Zeitgeist II , not I


Oh I know, and I already made my comment. Will not be seeing it, because after Part 1 of the first movie, it was simply terrible with horrible 'evidence' and filled with bullshit and half truths.

Post a summary of this one so I can know if its worth any time wasting to see any of it. At this moment I cannot afford to waste time.
 

alkemyst

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Everyone always says something like this is fake/bs. IF anyone does disagree with a section, feel free to say why.

The original crash of wall street is akin to the mess we are in now in a way.
 

AnonymouseUser

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Everyone always says something like this is fake/bs. IF anyone does disagree with a section, feel free to say why.

The original crash of wall street is akin to the mess we are in now in a way.

I felt it was damn good at exposing the failing institutions (money, religion, corporations, governments) and offered some good ways of eliminating them, though I have my doubts that the Venus Project is the perfect solution. There are many appealing aspects of the Venus Project of course (no money, no laws, no hunger, no homeless, etc), but I find it hard to believe most humans would go for that kind of thing.

At least it should get people talking, and that is what society needs. Of course there are those that are brain-dead and will remain in denial that anything is wrong with the current system, so they will do nothing but waste their energy arguing instead of thinking. The rest of us can at least start doing something (no matter how trivial) and work towards a goal where the world isn't owned/dominated by a meager 1% of the world's population.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Everyone always says something like this is fake/bs. IF anyone does disagree with a section, feel free to say why.

The original crash of wall street is akin to the mess we are in now in a way.

I felt it was damn good at exposing the failing institutions (money, religion, corporations, governments) and offered some good ways of eliminating them, though I have my doubts that the Venus Project is the perfect solution. There are many appealing aspects of the Venus Project of course (no money, no laws, no hunger, no homeless, etc), but I find it hard to believe most humans would go for that kind of thing.

At least it should get people talking, and that is what society needs. Of course there are those that are brain-dead and will remain in denial that anything is wrong with the current system, so they will do nothing but waste their energy arguing instead of thinking. The rest of us can at least start doing something (no matter how trivial) and work towards a goal where the world isn't owned/dominated by a meager 1% of the world's population.

we'd need a total refresh of humanity to force us to change our ways.
Some total devastation to Earth, or a new colony somewhere in space that shapes a new society, although conflict would likely arise.

Religion, money, and government are all answers to the question of attaining power. It gives goals and reasons. It's utterly necessary until humanity can devise a way to do without it. In our current life, the civilizations that don't make use of the big three, don't reach the same level of society as the more advanced.
Religion is especially necessary just to soothe the mind of our instinct. But it's not going to always be necessary, and I think we're marching toward that time, but it's still a good way down the road.

But money and government are not horrible evils, and I think they are very much necessary. But, structured differently than now, and the foundations of the two less thirsty for more. A free-market economy with the most absolutely-minimal government structure is ideal. Corruption is the evil that has to be carefully monitored. A civilization that actually cares, and not just pretending to care, is critical. We can move toward that now by no longer voting for an individual for office, even after ONE mistake (in your opinion). Eventually things will balance out.
A free-market economy inspires the best competition possible, and with the potential future of man, we need that competition to drive us forward. Little government intervention is the key, with a government that is impossible to expand in size through law, and minimal at the start.
The USA was that way, but the Founding Fathers left the Constitution relatively open and the government has changed in ways they never would have imagined, and my uncle, among the others, would likely be foaming at the mouth if he saw us now. Society was incredibly different then when compared to now, so some change was necessary to advance. We'll get to a point where the basic structure of government will no longer need to change just to adapt to the changing times.
 

alkemyst

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Unfortunately most won't understand the video fully anyway and think it's all bullshit.
 

IceBergSLiM

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FYI this one deals with the complete fraud that is our economic/banking system. Completely timely. I would reccomend this one over the first all day.
 

jjones

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I liked the first one, except the wacky intro. I thought it was pretty entertaining for conspiracy propoganda. If you turn off your brain you can really enjoy it.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
FYI this one deals with the complete fraud that is our economic/banking system. Completely timely. I would reccomend this one over the first all day.

As would I.
 

clamum

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The religion part of the first one I found kind of interesting but I don't know how accurate it is. As soon as it got to the 9/11 conspiracy bullshit I turned the crap off. I might check this one out.
 

technogeeky

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Originally posted by: destrekor
The religious part was the ONLY good thing from the original movie. The rest was utter trash as is typical for all this conspiracy theory bullshit. No way in hell will I watch another one.

I, for one, didn't watch the original one. But I did watch this one, and I think to some degree it makes sense. I think the 4 main parts of this movie aren't well connected, and the utopian picture presented is a little obtuse, but I thought it was an interesting movie.

I gleaned from comments on reddit that this move was quite a bit different than the first one - most stated it was better.
 

AnitaPeterson

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Here's a bump... I enjoyed the second one moe than the first, because instead of just denouncing a sad and sorry state of affairs, it also aimed at proposing alternative ways of thinking. Highly recommended.
 
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