Zeitgeist, The Movie 2007

[LOUISSSSS]

i dont get it guys, with so much evidence, (this movie + Loose Change), how can u guys not even have the slightest thought that 911 was setup

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
i dont get it guys, with so much evidence, (this movie + Loose Change), how can u guys not even have the slightest thought that 911 was setup

lol

 

[Jmman]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
i dont get it guys, with so much evidence, (this movie + Loose Change), how can u guys not even have the slightest thought that 911 was setup

Occam's razor, my friend, Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Most of the evidence points to the fact that were attacked by terrorists, plain and simple.....

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: YoungGun21

BTW, anybody know how to pronounce the name?

zite (sounds like height) geist (like poltergeist)

zite geist

It's german for "Spirit of the Times".

 

[novasatori]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
i dont get it guys, with so much evidence, (this movie + Loose Change), how can u guys not even have the slightest thought that 911 was setup

secrets are being exposed every day in the government, yet somehow no one has exposed this grand scheme beyond simple "speculation" or hypothesis, how do you believe that the government could cover up the murder of so many people without it coming out...

seriously... someone would have talked by now.

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: Punter
Also the title of the new Smashing Pumpkins album.

http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/music_zeitgeist

First thing I thought of also.

 

[bignateyk]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
www.Zeitgeistmovie.com

questions, comments please answer here

i found this movie very insightful; It brought some new light into my perspectives that were covered in this film

Cliffs:
-religion is bs
-911 is was a setup (much better evidence on top of what was already provided in Loose Change)
-our economy is corrupt

evidence... loose change... does not compute.

 

[vailr]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: YoungGun21

BTW, anybody know how to pronounce the name?

zite (sounds like height) geist (like poltergeist)

zite geist

It's german for "Spirit of the Times".

In German, "z" at the start of a word is usually a "hard Z', pronounced as "Ts". Instead of a "soft z", as in the English word "zoo".

 

[Jhill]

Originally posted by: manowar821
I really liked this movie. The intro is SUPER annoying, though.

Once you get past it, it really starts moving, and you get glued to the screen.

Ignore the people here who are so entrenched in their way of thinking that they have to lash out this, they're just scared. They've been trained to believe that this is the way things should be, it's not their fault for being slaves. Well, alright, it's sort of their fault.

I guess the faithful will never give any thought to this, though. Faith requires no facts or thought, and won't change for facts, either.

I saw this a few days ago and this is pretty much exactly what I thought about it.

 

[Rogodin2]

Occam's razor, my friend, Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Most of the evidence points to the fact that were attacked by terrorists, plain and simple.....

The primary fallacy with Occam's razor is the premise. He predicated an epistomological stucture that was not based upon the first law of thermodynamics. He did not understand that entropy was a sufficient condition for global mass and the hypertoheninism that was an antecedent of the focal nature of neo-platonism.

You fellows always bring a smile when I read your inane posts. *S*

Rogo

 

[Jhill]

Originally posted by: YoungGun21
I'm 30min in so far. Intro was super boring and since you all said it was 10min long I just got up and got a drink. It is a good movie presenting a lot of logcial thought and fact, really proving religion wrong.

BTW, anybody know how to pronounce the name?

They pronounce it towards the end a few times.

 

[boredhokie]

Was Occam's Razor features in Maxim or something?

I swear, if ever a theory existed that lets idiots justify their willfull stupidity better I've yet to see it..

The most obvious reason that cars run is because Jesus did it, but that doesn't mean the combustion engine is far fetched, does it?

 

[Gunslinger08]

I was going to post something making fun of tin foil hat wearing liberals, but then I watched the video (halfway through, so far).

The religion part - wow. I knew none of this (except for the flood stuff). This does not paint a pretty picture for modern Christianity.
The 9/11 part - I've always just thought the planes brought the towers down and a plane hit the Pentagon. Now I'm guessing the towers were brought down by some well placed explosives and the Pentagon was hit by something other than a plane. I still don't think the government had anything to do with it. They're probably just doing what we all do - covering their asses. They missed some big warning signs and probably shot down a plane or two.

 

[TipsyMcStagger]

So why aren't the makers of this film dead yet? I mean they're "exposing" organizations with huge power who according to the film have no problem killing people to accomplish their goals (9/11), but they can't manage to silence a couple of amateur film makers?

 

[Jhill]

For those that are skeptical
please start at the 10 minute mark. Anything before that will turn you away.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
seems like some delusional hippy liberal bullshit...no thanks.

"Delusional hippy liberal bullshit"?? Oh come on Jihad :roll:

Things aren't always what they seem until you see it for yourself sometimes. I watched this a couple days ago and it REALLY made me start thinking about religions and how most of them could have evolved from ONE singular story based on astrology, including Christianity.

But don't mind me and my delusional thoughts even if I did watch it, keep up the patriotic fight of keeping yourself sheltered from these preconceived alternative-theory lies that you've obviously accepted and keep digesting the mainstream stuff. Me, I prefer a little from column A and a little from column B, then I make up my own damn mind.

I didn't watch the movie, although I will say that much of Christianity and its practice appear to be based, at least in part, on various aspects of ancient Greek religion--most especially Dionysian--and the tenets of Orpheus. Does this invalidate or validate Christianity in any way? Not at all, it's just good to know the history of things.

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: novasatori

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
i dont get it guys, with so much evidence, (this movie + Loose Change), how can u guys not even have the slightest thought that 911 was setup

secrets are being exposed every day in the government, yet somehow no one has exposed this grand scheme beyond simple "speculation" or hypothesis, how do you believe that the government could cover up the murder of so many people without it coming out...

seriously... someone would have talked by now.

This is a very interesting yet roundabout argument. What secrets exactly are being exposed? Things like companies benefiting from war, Gonzales scandal, Guantanamo, spying on American citizens, unlawful detentions, etc. Oh you mean the stuff that people hear about and shrug off?

Admit it, if Bush admitted tomorrow that this was all the government's fault but "it was for the interest of the greater good," the nation would collectively inhale aggressively, look at each other, then nod their heads then move on.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
seems like some delusional hippy liberal bullshit...no thanks.

"Delusional hippy liberal bullshit"?? Oh come on Jihad :roll:

Things aren't always what they seem until you see it for yourself sometimes. I watched this a couple days ago and it REALLY made me start thinking about religions and how most of them could have evolved from ONE singular story based on astrology, including Christianity.

But don't mind me and my delusional thoughts even if I did watch it, keep up the patriotic fight of keeping yourself sheltered from these preconceived alternative-theory lies that you've obviously accepted and keep digesting the mainstream stuff. Me, I prefer a little from column A and a little from column B, then I make up my own damn mind.

I didn't watch the movie, although I will say that much of Christianity and its practice appear to be based, at least in part, on various aspects of ancient Greek religion--most especially Dionysian--and the tenets of Orpheus. Does this invalidate or validate Christianity in any way? Not at all, it's just good to know the history of things.

The movie makes a case for christian and greek religions (and practically all others) being based on astrology and notably the egyptian sun god Horus. As far as I can tell most of it checks out. You should watch it.

I have a problem with the claim of the similarity between Sargon and Moses as the records that depict Sargon's birth were written several centuries AFTER Moses lived. They could easily have been made to match Moses' story in hindsight.

 

[Indolent]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Cliffs:
1. -religion is bs
2. -911 is was a setup (much better evidence on top of what was already provided in Loose Change)
3. -our economy is corrupt

I've numbered your cliffs for comments:
(I haven't watched the movie, these are just my general comments)

1. people are going to believe what they want, you aren't going to change their minds either way.

2. honestly... why does this keep coming up???

3. It doesn't take a genius to figure this one out. There are corrupt people EVERYWHERE.

 

[Darthvoy]

Originally posted by: Punter
Also the title of the new Smashing Pumpkins album.

http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/music_zeitgeist

I thought this thread would be about the album, sadly I was mistaken.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Originally posted by: Indolent

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Cliffs:
1. -religion is bs
2. -911 is was a setup (much better evidence on top of what was already provided in Loose Change)
3. -our economy is corrupt

I've numbered your cliffs for comments:
(I haven't watched the movie, these are just my general comments)

1. people are going to believe what they want, you aren't going to change their minds either way.

2. honestly... why does this keep coming up???

3. It doesn't take a genius to figure this one out. There are corrupt people EVERYWHERE.

those are good generalizations, even though you didn't watch the movie.

but i bet after you watch the film, you're bound to change your views on at least one of the points the directors bring up. i certainly did

 

[AbAbber2k]

Just finished watching the movie. Very good. I loved Part I, particularly because I've studied religion just enough to understand the parallels drawn without ever having connected them myself. Part II was interesting but I'm not entirely sold on the government conspiracy thing. My biggest problem is... just like with believing what the government tells me, I have to verify all the facts myself to be 100% sure. Otherwise it's just hearsay. Part III was also good... definitely the most frightening... and very believable (obviously our economy is run by corrupt fat cats... just a matter of understanding HOW corrupt).

 

[Printer Bandit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuKg5XV6b3g

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
seems like some delusional hippy liberal bullshit...no thanks.

"Delusional hippy liberal bullshit"?? Oh come on Jihad :roll:

Things aren't always what they seem until you see it for yourself sometimes. I watched this a couple days ago and it REALLY made me start thinking about religions and how most of them could have evolved from ONE singular story based on astrology, including Christianity.

But don't mind me and my delusional thoughts even if I did watch it, keep up the patriotic fight of keeping yourself sheltered from these preconceived alternative-theory lies that you've obviously accepted and keep digesting the mainstream stuff. Me, I prefer a little from column A and a little from column B, then I make up my own damn mind.

I didn't watch the movie, although I will say that much of Christianity and its practice appear to be based, at least in part, on various aspects of ancient Greek religion--most especially Dionysian--and the tenets of Orpheus. Does this invalidate or validate Christianity in any way? Not at all, it's just good to know the history of things.

The movie makes a case for christian and greek religions (and practically all others) being based on astrology and notably the egyptian sun god Horus. As far as I can tell most of it checks out. You should watch it.

I have a problem with the claim of the similarity between Sargon and Moses as the records that depict Sargon's birth were written several centuries AFTER Moses lived. They could easily have been made to match Moses' story in hindsight.

I wouldn't doubt it, although I'm not sure how much influence ancient Egypt had on ancient Greece. There are definitely commonalities across most religions regardless of point of origin, though, to be sure. However, even were Christianity largely based on Egyptian astrology and religion, as I mentioned before, that doesn't necessarily invalidate (or validate) it. There are differences between the two, and most people aren't going to completely abandon their beliefs when something new comes along, so you would expect widespread practices to be carried from one generation to another, regardless of the actual religion practiced.

 

[invidia]

If someone made a movie so convincing, like denying the Holocaust and that it was a conspiracy done by the US and UK to further bring down the Nazi officials and government, would you people believe it. I couldn't watch more of this junk but I had to see the religion is BS stuff. The only thing I agreed on was the religion is BS. The movie didn't have to convince me on that.