Zeitgeist, The Movie 2007

[Fritzo]

I'm home sick today so I gave it a watch. Better cliffs:

1) Jesus = Horus (Egyptian sun god)

2) The US Central Bank is essentially the same institution that caused the American Revolution, and is now trying to take over the world. They're also responsible for bringing the US into all major wars by staging events to trigger US outrage. The bank makes huge $$$ from wars funds.

3) 9/11 was part of the plan from #2.

4) Eventually, all people will be tagged and tracked with chips. Passports already do this, and experimental chip tracking is taking place (they have CNN and Good Morning America coverage of this).

 

[PKPunk]

marked for later

 

[CPA]

I love how the people who don't believe in the 911 consiracy theories are sheep or mind-numb zombies, but those that attach themselves to every 911 conspiracy out there are enlightened.

 

[skrilla]

Originally posted by: CPA
I love how the people who don't believe in the 911 consiracy theories are sheep or mind-numb zombies, but those that attach themselves to every 911 conspiracy out there are enlightened.

What are you talking about... did you read the thread? The views have been going both ways.

I have seen a lot of tin-foil hat references, and a "delusional liberal hippy," statement.

By the same token, I could say:

I love how the people who don't believe in the 911 conspiracy theories are enlightened, but those that question 911 are delusional liberal hippies.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: CPA
I love how the people who don't believe in the 911 consiracy theories are sheep or mind-numb zombies, but those that attach themselves to every 911 conspiracy out there are enlightened.

I love how you think that people who doesn't believe that planes brought down the towers and pentagon, and people who don't believe what the media/government is telling them are crazy for thinking that way. Or that every one of us is completely positive that the government PLANNED the attack.

I personally am not sold on the government attacking our own towers, but I wouldn't put it past them.

What I am sold on is that those planes could not bring down the two towers. Much less in near free-fall speeds. Whether or not the government planned it, or if someone else did and that the government is just lying to us is up in the air for me.

Stop over-generalizing.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: manowar821

What I am sold on is that those planes could not bring down the two towers. Much less in near free-fall speeds. Whether or not the government planned it, or if someone else did and that the government is just lying to us is up in the air for me.

Stop over-generalizing.

stop drinking the kool aid. the towers didn't fall at 'near free fall speeds.' rather, you were manipulated by a careful and conscious decision on the part of conspiracy film makers to use footage that does not show the start of the fall.

 

[Nocturnal]

Believe in the last days!

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: CPA
I love how the people who don't believe in the 911 consiracy theories are sheep or mind-numb zombies, but those that attach themselves to every 911 conspiracy out there are enlightened.

Let me say this about blanketing generalizations from both sides of the fence..

You're wrong, anyone who "attaches" themselves to every 9/11 theory is actually the mind-numb zombie you coined. Conversely, anyone who doesn't believe in any of the 9/11 theories flat-out simply because they sound ridiculous are indeed sheep, because some of them do present a good argument once examined. You may think it's all aliens, holograms, and tinfoil tricks, but that's only because you're not willing to take it seriously (not you specifically, but people of that ilk).

However, anyone who does the research, thinks things out in their own way, and is willing to have a little faith in the unknown on both sides of the argument IS enlightened in this respect, no matter where they stand when the dust settles.

What I'm trying to point out here is your going to have extremists on BOTH sides of the argument, especially with 9/11. There are those who are so anti-government and pro-conspiracy that they will believe anything they hear and run with it. Then there are those who are too patriotic or too settled into their simple little lives to accept something like this as too evil and incomprehensible to be true.

You just have to ask yourself if you know what you believe is right, or if you think what you believe is right. Unfortunately, too many people think they know what they believe is right and that's where any open-ended debate ends.

 

[OVerLoRDI]

Wow, I just finished watching it. The stuff about religion is pretty staggering, especially since I'm a Christian myself. The 911 stuff is just really hard to swallow but the evidence they present is way more convincing than what the government provides. Even more amazing is the stuff with the federal reserve. I hope it is all wrong but....

 

[FoBoT]

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[Rockinacoustic]

The last part about War and the Economy really reminisced Orwell's 1984 for me. Interesting stuff.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

P&N?

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic
The last part about War and the Economy really reminisced Orwell's 1984 for me. Interesting stuff.

Yeah, it was actually scary, and all the facts checked out. All that stuff about Rockefeller and the Bush family line really make you wonder (for those that haven't seen it, you have to watch the last part of the movie. I had no idea about a lot of the stuff they present).

 

[bunnyfubbles]

What, no Part 4 on how we never landed on the moon?

 

[YoungGun21]

Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic
The last part about War and the Economy really reminisced Orwell's 1984 for me. Interesting stuff.

Yep thats what I thought too. The whole video really blew my mind. Like I said earlier, parts 1 and 3 are extremely believable. Part 2 is somewhat believable but I think they also leave some things out.

 

[Jhill]

WTF is up with building 7? A building that fell due to fire? With steel structures? The video of that building falling is unreal. With the top middle caving in like that? Either that video or 911 was staged, I'll tell you that much.

 

[NiteWulf]

Haven't watched the whole thing, but just a couple details that were overlooked:

Jesus wasn't born on December 25th. The date was attached sometime after the Roman church started merging with pagan belief and tradition.

There is no indication of the number of visitors Jesus had in the nativity story. The Bible mentions "wise men", not three wise men. I don't believe they are referred to as kings, but I may be mistaken.

There was a bit of time between the appearance of the new star and the visitation of the wise men, evidenced by Herod's order to kill the male children two years old and under.

Maybe more later

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Jhill
WTF is up with building 7? A building that fell due to fire? With steel structures? The video of that building falling is unreal. With the top middle caving in like that? Either that video or 911 was staged, I'll tell you that much.

Is it really surprising that a building fell due to fire?

Please tell me that you're not that stupid.

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Jhill
WTF is up with building 7? A building that fell due to fire? With steel structures? The video of that building falling is unreal. With the top middle caving in like that? Either that video or 911 was staged, I'll tell you that much.

Is it really surprising that a building fell due to fire?

Please tell me that you're not that stupid.

It wasn't fire!
Parts of one of the falling buildings DESTROYED the foundation of WTC7.
Try cutting off the bottom of your right leg, then standing up. Difficult?
Now imagine you're a building.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: NiteWulf
There is no indication of the number of visitors Jesus had in the nativity story. The Bible mentions "wise men", not three wise men. I don't believe they are referred to as kings, but I may be mistaken.

There is no direct mention of the number of wise men, but their number could be inferred from the number of gifts they presented to the baby Jesus:

And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. -Matthew 2:4

As with all reiterations of myth the details are subject to change. I have no problem seeing the 3 kings of past myth as the 3 wise men of current myth.

There was a bit of time between the appearance of the new star and the visitation of the wise men, evidenced by Herod's order to kill the male children two years old and under.

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem. Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. -Matthew 2:1

Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men. - Matthew 2:16

From these passages the star in the east clearly came first, because it drew the wise men to Jerusalem, where they THEN told Herod of the king of the Jews. He sent them to investigate the matter. After the wise men didn't return to Jerusalem to report on their findings Herod realized that he had been duped and ordered the slaying of children 2 and under in Bethlehem.

 

[computeerrgghh]

Originally posted by: Jhill
WTF is up with building 7? A building that fell due to fire? With steel structures? The video of that building falling is unreal. With the top middle caving in like that? Either that video or 911 was staged, I'll tell you that much.

Here is an interesting read that addressed a bunch of these myths. Of course it is widely known that Popular Mechanics is run by the government so take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Jhill]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Jhill
WTF is up with building 7? A building that fell due to fire? With steel structures? The video of that building falling is unreal. With the top middle caving in like that? Either that video or 911 was staged, I'll tell you that much.

Is it really surprising that a building fell due to fire?

Please tell me that you're not that stupid.

Yeah usually buildings that "burn down" Fall EXACTLY like the ones that where demolished with the center caving and all. I mean it collapsed exactly straight down. I am not saying it didn't happen. I am saying the video of it was staged or 911 was.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Legendary

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Jhill
WTF is up with building 7? A building that fell due to fire? With steel structures? The video of that building falling is unreal. With the top middle caving in like that? Either that video or 911 was staged, I'll tell you that much.

Is it really surprising that a building fell due to fire?

Please tell me that you're not that stupid.

It wasn't fire!
Parts of one of the falling buildings DESTROYED the foundation of WTC7.
Try cutting off the bottom of your right leg, then standing up. Difficult?
Now imagine you're a building.

1. Calm down, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I don't believe that crap.
2. You're wrong. It was the fire weakening the structure that brought it down, it was not the physical damage from falling buildings.

link

"In May 2002, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) issued a report on the collapse, based on a preliminary investigation conducted jointly with the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers, under leadership of Dr. W. Gene Corley, P.E.[5] FEMA made preliminary findings that the collapse was primarily caused by fires on multiple stories (which were started by debris from the other two towers), and not by the actual impact damage from the collapse of 1 WTC and 2 WTC."

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Jhill

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Jhill
WTF is up with building 7? A building that fell due to fire? With steel structures? The video of that building falling is unreal. With the top middle caving in like that? Either that video or 911 was staged, I'll tell you that much.

Is it really surprising that a building fell due to fire?

Please tell me that you're not that stupid.

Yeah usually buildings that "burn down" Fall EXACTLY like the ones that where demolished with the center caving and all. I mean it collapsed exactly straight down. I am not saying it didn't happen. I am saying the video of it was staged or 911 was.

You seem young and naive. So gullible, so clueless.

The facts and fallacies that you conspiracy theorists cling onto is pathetic. I see that some of you morons use the fact that a news station erroneously reported the fall of WTC7 before it happened as "proof" that it was a conspiracy. This just demonstrates a clear lack of common sense, since if it was a conspiracy, why would the government let major news organizations know that they're about to do something illegal before it happens? That would make no sense at all.

You conspiracy theorists are morons with a poor grip on reality.

 

[Printer Bandit]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Jhill
WTF is up with building 7? A building that fell due to fire? With steel structures? The video of that building falling is unreal. With the top middle caving in like that? Either that video or 911 was staged, I'll tell you that much.

Is it really surprising that a building fell due to fire?

Please tell me that you're not that stupid.

Yes.