true. and i guess the reason people condition themselves to the lies even if they are totally illogical, it is much more convenient for them in their comfortable little lives that everything is as the government says.. (for me too obviously, but I like to know the truth at least)Originally posted by: randay
Really interesting stuff, I dont see the point of it all though, even if it is all true, what am I supposed to do about it? My life is really not that bad and I'd rather keep dancing to the same tune then try and do something about it in vain.
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Holy crap, start watching at 1:41:50. :shocked:
Actually, the funny thing is, they actually believe their government. Sad, huh?Originally posted by: QuaziK
Anyway, Excellent movie (sans intro). Really, anyone screaming nonsense about "tin foil hats" over 911 "conspiracies" even after watching this video - there is no hope for you... You probably know you are lying to yourself anyways
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
The movie postulates that thermite, which most definitely burns hot enough to melt steel, was used to cut the supports. Then they show you a picture of a steel beam, surrounded by rubble, with a precisely angled cut and covered in melted steel. The caption of the picture reads "World Trade Center support beam" or some such.
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Actually, the funny thing is, they actually believe their government. Sad, huh?Originally posted by: QuaziK
Anyway, Excellent movie (sans intro). Really, anyone screaming nonsense about "tin foil hats" over 911 "conspiracies" even after watching this video - there is no hope for you... You probably know you are lying to yourself anyways
Four years into the war, a large double-digit percentage of the US population still thinks Saddam/9-11/al-Qaeda are connected, so you have to figure some of those idiots have an account on AT.
oh the irony. Guys set aside 2 hours and watch this vidOriginally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Actually, the funny thing is, they actually believe their government. Sad, huh?Originally posted by: QuaziK
Anyway, Excellent movie (sans intro). Really, anyone screaming nonsense about "tin foil hats" over 911 "conspiracies" even after watching this video - there is no hope for you... You probably know you are lying to yourself anyways
Four years into the war, a large double-digit percentage of the US population still thinks Saddam/9-11/al-Qaeda are connected, so you have to figure some of those idiots have an account on AT.
I don't believe our government either, but I'm not gullible enough to believe in these wacky theories.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I don't believe our government either, but I'm not gullible enough to believe in these wacky theories.
Look at this administration and their ineptitude. They can't manage a hurricane. They can't manage a war. They can't manage information leaks in their own administration. Yet you think they'd be able to pull off one of the most wildly elaborate conspiracies ever, which requires the involvement of enemies and allies alike? That's just ridiculous.
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I'm not saying that I believe any of this, but you are consistently not addressing the salient points with your arguments. Watch the movie and tear it apart piece by piece if you are able, but simple stubborn disbelief on one side of an argument has never convinced anyone on the other side.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
You're defending the conspiracy theories but you don't seem willing to risk your neck and claim that you believe it, so I'm going to ask you directly- Do you think that the government took down the buildings with explosives?
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
It seems to have been made clear that burning jet fuel cannot melt steel at all. Is this true?
That is very misleading. That's what you get when you let a conspiracy theorist give you your engineering facts instead of an engineer.
They seem to be operating under the assumption that the steel would need to melt before the building would collapse, but that's not true. The steel loses its strength as it gets hotter, and eventually it would be too weak to support the weight. This would happen long before it melted.
I understand that bit, but testimony from firemen (who were presumably IN the WTCs after the crash) in the movie indicates that there were rivulets of molten steel all over the place. One guy describes it as being "like a foundry".
The movie postulates that thermite, which most definitely burns hot enough to melt steel, was used to cut the supports. Then they show you a picture of a steel beam, surrounded by rubble, with a precisely angled cut and covered in melted steel. The caption of the picture reads "World Trade Center support beam" or some such.
Of course I've never seen the WTC rubble with my own eyes. That could have been a picture of a real demolition with a falsified caption for all I know.
If it is a real picture then something was definitely melting steel in that building. If it wasn't jet fuel then what was it?
Originally posted by: Narmer
I still don't understand how the Federal Reserve Banking system is privately owned. How is that so? Does anybody care to lay it out for me?
How many samples have you taken from Ground Zero? Years you've studied physics?Originally posted by: computeerrgghh
I don't buy the thermite explanation. First of all, that Physicist from BYU takes a sample and out of who knows how many tons of dust, he finds a statistically significant amount of aluminum, iron oxide and sulfur to declare that thermate was used. Secondly, take a look at the components of thermate - aluminum, iron oxide and sulfur. What are possible sources of aluminum? For starters, a 747 has ~150000 lbs of aluminum. And where can you find iron oxide? And sulfur? Again lots of possibilities, even "acid rain" could have contaminated the sample.
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Narmer
I still don't understand how the Federal Reserve Banking system is privately owned. How is that so? Does anybody care to lay it out for me?
The Federal Reserve is a mixed institution.
Its run by a board of Governers appointed by the PoTUS.
However the 12 Federal Reserve banks are all owned by private banks in their respective regions.
As for the US/Federal Reserve making money off of war.
What else is new. The US is the worlds leading supplier of weapons. War is big business in the states. Its also a lot more profitable when the US stays out of war, just helps wage it by financing/supplying.
Originally posted by: computeerrgghh
I don't buy the thermite explanation. First of all, that Physicist from BYU takes a sample and out of who knows how many tons of dust, he finds a statistically significant amount of aluminum, iron oxide and sulfur to declare that thermate was used. Secondly, take a look at the components of thermate - aluminum, iron oxide and sulfur. What are possible sources of aluminum? For starters, a 747 has ~150000 lbs of aluminum. And where can you find iron oxide? And sulfur? Again lots of possibilities, even "acid rain" could have contaminated the sample.
Originally posted by: jpeyton
How many samples have you taken from Ground Zero? Years you've studied physics?Originally posted by: computeerrgghh
I don't buy the thermite explanation. First of all, that Physicist from BYU takes a sample and out of who knows how many tons of dust, he finds a statistically significant amount of aluminum, iron oxide and sulfur to declare that thermate was used. Secondly, take a look at the components of thermate - aluminum, iron oxide and sulfur. What are possible sources of aluminum? For starters, a 747 has ~150000 lbs of aluminum. And where can you find iron oxide? And sulfur? Again lots of possibilities, even "acid rain" could have contaminated the sample.
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Originally posted by: computeerrgghh
I don't buy the thermite explanation. First of all, that Physicist from BYU takes a sample and out of who knows how many tons of dust, he finds a statistically significant amount of aluminum, iron oxide and sulfur to declare that thermate was used. Secondly, take a look at the components of thermate - aluminum, iron oxide and sulfur. What are possible sources of aluminum? For starters, a 747 has ~150000 lbs of aluminum. And where can you find iron oxide? And sulfur? Again lots of possibilities, even "acid rain" could have contaminated the sample.
Contamination of the samples is a valid argument against the usage of thermite. It is not a valid argument against the impossibly melted steel supports. The mechanism by which that support was cut is irrelevant.
My question is whether the photograph in the movie is an actual picture of the WTC rubble. If it is real, what is the explanation for it?
Had these CTs taken a minute to enlarge the photo, as I have done below, they would have seen that the column shows obvious blowtorch marks, and slag sitting on top of the loose debris. Ironworkers used oxyacetylene torches to cut the WTC steel. Similar cuts are seen in many Ground Zero photos.
Same here. Sounds interesting.Originally posted by: PKPunk
marked for later
Originally posted by: Fritzo
I'm home sick today so I gave it a watch. Better cliffs:
1) Jesus = Horus (Egyptian sun god)
2) The US Central Bank is essentially the same institution that caused the American Revolution, and is now trying to take over the world. They're also responsible for bringing the US into all major wars by staging events to trigger US outrage. The bank makes huge $$$ from wars funds.
3) 9/11 was part of the plan from #2.
4) Eventually, all people will be tagged and tracked with chips. Passports already do this, and experimental chip tracking is taking place (they have CNN and Good Morning America coverage of this).