Zeitgeist, The Movie 2007

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
You're defending the conspiracy theories but you don't seem willing to risk your neck and claim that you believe it, so I'm going to ask you directly- Do you think that the government took down the buildings with explosives?

The concept is so fantastic that it boggles my mind. Our government being responsible for something like 911 is too much. I can't believe it. There are too many checks and balances in our system.

We all like to think that. I still cannot wrap my head around the idea that 9/11 was a false flag operation. It's almost unthinkable. Almost.

I say almost because, as the movie points out, manufactured incidents have been used repeatedly to enter us into wars. The movie doesn't even go as far back as the Spanish-American War which also featured a manufactured incident to spark the conflict.

I wonder how it would be possible that there would be government involvement in the 9/11 attacks without it becoming public. And then I remember a vast majority of Americans still believe Pearl Harbor was a totally unprovoked, unexpected attack despite solid and easily accessible evidence to the contrary. I'm glad we entered WWII, I think our participation helped ultimately make the world a better, safer place; but I will not shrink from the reality that we both invited and expected Pearl Harbor as a catalyst for entry into the war.

Rallying a people around a common enemy, real or perceived, is a tactic used by leaders/governments (to enter into wars, to gain power, etc) throughout the ages.... somehow our nation is immune to such manipulation? I'm not so sure about that.

The government is not our daddy. We should NOT defend it zealously but should in fact examine it's actions very closely and throw it off, yes destroy it, if it becomes deterimental to the people. Are we at that point yet? I have no idea. Probably not. But I'm not going to pretend it's not possible for the US government to become the enemy of the American people when the very fathers of our nation explicitly warned us of such a possibility.

 

[YoungGun21]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: PKPunk
marked for later

Same here. Sounds interesting.

Originally posted by: Fritzo
I'm home sick today so I gave it a watch. Better cliffs:

1) Jesus = Horus (Egyptian sun god)

2) The US Central Bank is essentially the same institution that caused the American Revolution, and is now trying to take over the world. They're also responsible for bringing the US into all major wars by staging events to trigger US outrage. The bank makes huge $$$ from wars funds.

3) 9/11 was part of the plan from #2.

4) Eventually, all people will be tagged and tracked with chips. Passports already do this, and experimental chip tracking is taking place (they have CNN and Good Morning America coverage of this).

1984. The Party lives.

1984 was meant to be a warning to the future of the dangers of fascism. It seems that a few people see 1984 as a guide book to their idea of a utopian society.

Exactly these times and the times in 1984 are so similar its crazy. I mean in 1984 they had a fake war and things like that. I know the war we are fighting right now isn't fake but it sure makes you think...

 

[jackace]

I do not believe all the stuff they said about the Fed Res is true, but if you do some research on the subject you will see a lot of red flags. One of the biggest is they would have closed door meetings and not release the transcripts. They even lied to a judge and said they stopped even taking transcripts. After that whole problem they now release the transcripts, but with a 5 year or more lag period. 5 year lag period is total BS. Not to mention the Fed Res is never officially audited so who knows if the numbers they report are actually correct.

 

[Rockinacoustic]

Originally posted by: YoungGun21

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: PKPunk
marked for later

Same here. Sounds interesting.

Originally posted by: Fritzo
I'm home sick today so I gave it a watch. Better cliffs:

1) Jesus = Horus (Egyptian sun god)

2) The US Central Bank is essentially the same institution that caused the American Revolution, and is now trying to take over the world. They're also responsible for bringing the US into all major wars by staging events to trigger US outrage. The bank makes huge $$$ from wars funds.

3) 9/11 was part of the plan from #2.

4) Eventually, all people will be tagged and tracked with chips. Passports already do this, and experimental chip tracking is taking place (they have CNN and Good Morning America coverage of this).

1984. The Party lives.

1984 was meant to be a warning to the future of the dangers of fascism. It seems that a few people see 1984 as a guide book to their idea of a utopian society.

Exactly these times and the times in 1984 are so similar its crazy. I mean in 1984 they had a fake war and things like that. I know the war we are fighting right now isn't fake but it sure makes you think...

The part that made me see parallels was the 'North American Union' and eventual world government plan/theory. Reminded me of the three superpower nations in Orwell's book, along with the idea on how each nation is self sufficient, and could practically consider itself the lone society on Earth because of the power it had on the people.

 

[Phokus]

I won't dismiss 9/11 conspiracy theories 100% outright, but people who believe the US government isn't capable of staged terrorism really need to read up on Operation Northwoods:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/n...0010430/northwoods.pdf

For the cliffnotes crowd: Joint Chiefs of staff had a secret plan to execute fake and real terror attacks in order to garner public support for more military action against Cuba. The plan was reportedly rejected by JFK so the plan was never followed through. I suggest everyone read the PDF file, the unclassified documents are absolutely fascinating.

 

[HombrePequeno]

So they're saying the Federal Reserve is responsible for 9/11? I can't say that I watched it because I'm just not going to waste my time with something that is probably ridiculous.

The Federal Reserve does not make a ton of money. Their main purpose now is price stability. It's changed a couple times over the years but it's mission has never been to make boatloads of money.

 

[jackace]

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
So they're saying the Federal Reserve is responsible for 9/11? I can't say that I watched it because I'm just not going to waste my time with something that is probably ridiculous.

The Federal Reserve does not make a ton of money. Their main purpose now is price stability. It's changed a couple times over the years but it's mission has never been to make boatloads of money.

I will agree with this, but they are all privately owned banks and they control the money. Seems like a pretty big conflict of interest don't you think?

 

[Adn4n]

I've seen this movie a while ago and liked is as well. As for the 9/11 conspiracy theories, I had a very closed mind about the whole issue initially. But now that I've been studying engineering for a couple of years I have come to the conclusion that to say the least the official explanation about 9/11 is complete bullshit. Passport found in the rubble that belonged to one of the hijackers? Then he's found alive in Pakistan, and the FBI won't revise their hijacker list? Please....

Btw, did you know that the case files for the Enron and WorldCom cases was in the smaller tower that fell even though it wasn't hit by a plane? Just a little food for thought.

 

[Adn4n]

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
So they're saying the Federal Reserve is responsible for 9/11? I can't say that I watched it because I'm just not going to waste my time with something that is probably ridiculous.

The Federal Reserve does not make a ton of money. Their main purpose now is price stability. It's changed a couple times over the years but it's mission has never been to make boatloads of money.

No they're not saying that. And the federal reserve does not really create price stability, I suggest you watch the last part at least of the movie.

Originally posted by: AFSCrazy
Conspiracy theorists are just a bunch of unAmerican bullsh*t artists set on bringing down the government with their ill-conceived agenda based on few facts and heavy speculation. And for some reason, any a*hole with youtube access and windows movie maker can now make a, and I use the word loosely. "documentary" by clipping together pre-existing news clips and taking interviews out of context to prove a point.
Conspiracy theorists seem to deem themselves as a more intelligent life form because of their seemingly omniscient perspective, droning on and on about how naive I must be to believe what the news government tells me. But what kind of aficionado are they on this subject? Does watching a documentary suddenly make you some sort of guru blessed with this newfound plethora of information able to dispute years of research and proven facts? Lets compare the information I have, versus the information you have:

Me:
-5 years of extensive media covreage by countless newspapers, magazines and television broadcasts on numerous networks.
-Live video, civilian and press of two jets crashing into the world trade center. Or were the bystanders with video cameras in on it too?
-A full, extensive commission report
-Confessions from the suspected terrorists.

Conspiracy Theorists:
-Loose change
-Loose change 2 (Sequels are never as good as the original)
-Zeitgeist
-poorly conceived, overly dramatic flash of how a "missile" hit the pentagon. See: http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm

As you can see, my evidence far outweighs yours. Case in point, If you really believe that the government committed 9/11, why are you still here? If I had the slightest shred of doubt, if I thought for even a second that my own country would kill its own people for profit, then I would be the f*ck out of here. Don't get me wrong, the government is not perfect, but for f*ck sake your own country deserves a little more God damn credit then you give it. I'm all for lining up every conspiracy theorist and putting a bullet in their head. They hinder the integrity of the United States, and should be held accountable for treason and inciting anarchy.

What extensive report? I hope you're not referring to the 9/11 commission report that was so horribly underfunded and a public sham. They chaired it by 5 dems and 5 republicans, but all the work was done by staffers led by a Neo Con that co-authored a book with Condy Rice. The molten steel wasn't addressed, you do know that even weeks after the collapse firefighters boots were melting because it was still hot? And media coverage, I hope you're not talking about CNN/Fox News, those people are so afraid to do anything overly critical because it would make them seem unpatriotic and thus loose them advertising.

And loose change is horrible, watch 9/11 coincidences.

 

[Phokus]

Ok i finally watched the movie and i must say the production value and information delivery was very very good. I had a web browser up while the movie was playing googling a lot of the quotes that the movie referenced from those old politicians who basically admit to this 'conspiracy' and they all came up true. However, i'd like to dissect this film a bit more to see if there's any holes i can come up with (i.e. see if those quotes can be put in better context). Who was behind this movie? I have a hard time believing just one individual made this film.

Anyway, this is just more reason to vote for Ron Paul, amirite guys?

 

[Adn4n]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Ok i finally watched the movie and i must say the production value and information delivery was very very good. I had a web browser up while the movie was playing googling a lot of the quotes that the movie referenced from those old politicians who basically admit to this 'conspiracy' and they all came up true. However, i'd like to dissect this film a bit more to see if there's any holes i can come up with (i.e. see if those quotes can be put in better context). Who was behind this movie? I have a hard time believing just one individual made this film.

Anyway, this is just more reason to vote for Ron Paul, amirite guys?

I am seriously considering doing that, but I know that the response to him trying to abolish the federal reserve would be would be the same as to the Clintons trying to reform health care.

 

[Phokus]

Interesting, Fox News (of all media organizations) reported that GWB's grandfather did indeed do business with the Nazis via his bank.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html

 

[dug777]

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[dug777]

Just for kicks, maddox makes some amusing points

http://www.thebestpageintheuni...net/c.cgi?u=911_morons



I'm just kidding guys, i really do think the US government was directing these attacks...



:laugh:

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Interesting, Fox News (of all media organizations) reported that GWB's grandfather did indeed do business with the Nazis via his bank.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html

They're probably proud of it

 

[hjo3]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2

Occam's razor, my friend, Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Most of the evidence points to the fact that were attacked by terrorists, plain and simple.....

The primary fallacy with Occam's razor is the premise. He predicated an epistomological stucture that was not based upon the first law of thermodynamics. He did not understand that entropy was a sufficient condition for global mass and the hypertoheninism that was an antecedent of the focal nature of neo-platonism.

You fellows always bring a smile when I read your inane posts. *S*

Rogo

You'd think someone so in love with big words would be a better speller... What the heck is "hypertoheninism"?

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: hjo3

Originally posted by: Rogodin2

Occam's razor, my friend, Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Most of the evidence points to the fact that were attacked by terrorists, plain and simple.....

The primary fallacy with Occam's razor is the premise. He predicated an epistomological stucture that was not based upon the first law of thermodynamics. He did not understand that entropy was a sufficient condition for global mass and the hypertoheninism that was an antecedent of the focal nature of neo-platonism.

You fellows always bring a smile when I read your inane posts. *S*

Rogo

You'd think someone so in love with big words would be a better speller... What the heck is "hypertoheninism"?

He's not in love with big words, he's in love with himself.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: QuaziK
Anyway, Excellent movie (sans intro). Really, anyone screaming nonsense about "tin foil hats" over 911 "conspiracies" even after watching this video - there is no hope for you... You probably know you are lying to yourself anyways

Actually, the funny thing is, they actually believe their government. Sad, huh?

Four years into the war, a large double-digit percentage of the US population still thinks Saddam/9-11/al-Qaeda are connected, so you have to figure some of those idiots have an account on AT.

I don't believe our government either, but I'm not gullible enough to believe in these wacky theories.

Look at this administration and their ineptitude. They can't manage a hurricane. They can't manage a war. They can't manage information leaks in their own administration. Yet you think they'd be able to pull off one of the most wildly elaborate conspiracies ever, which requires the involvement of enemies and allies alike? That's just ridiculous.

To be fair, the movie points out that they are deliberately screwing up the war in order to prolong it - which would make sense for companies like the Carlyle Group, Halliburton, Raytheon, Blackwater et al who profit from it. I mean, the military publicly stated we needed 300k troops over there before the war but the Bush admin sent in less than half that... and they decided to 'fix' it by adding 30k more troops and call it a 'surge'? That just screams 'deliberate failure' to me.

 

[test1333]

eye opening video, though strangely i feel guilty recommending it to friends,
since ignorance is bliss

 

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: manowar821
I really liked this movie. The intro is SUPER annoying, though.

Once you get past it, it really starts moving, and you get glued to the screen.

Ignore the people here who are so entrenched in their way of thinking that they have to lash out this, they're just scared. They've been trained to believe that this is the way things should be, it's not their fault for being slaves. Well, alright, it's sort of their fault.

I guess the faithful will never give any thought to this, though. Faith requires no facts or thought, and won't change for facts, either.

When you have an experience with Jesus, you will know that he is in fact real. Why is it so hard for you to look around and not be able to tell that this world was created by God? Do you honestly feel everything is a perfect as it is by an explosion? Have you ever seen a baby born? That one miracle should make you see the truth of God's existence.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

When you have an experience with Jesus, you will know that he is in fact real. Why is it so hard for you to look around and not be able to tell that this world was created by God? Do you honestly feel everything is a perfect as it is by an explosion? Have you ever seen a baby born? That one miracle should make you see the truth of God's existence.

the world is perfect? since when?

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

When you have an experience with Jesus, you will know that he is in fact real. Why is it so hard for you to look around and not be able to tell that this world was created by God? Do you honestly feel everything is a perfect as it is by an explosion? Have you ever seen a baby born? That one miracle should make you see the truth of God's existence.

the world is perfect? since when?

It is if you're in a bubble.

 

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

When you have an experience with Jesus, you will know that he is in fact real. Why is it so hard for you to look around and not be able to tell that this world was created by God? Do you honestly feel everything is a perfect as it is by an explosion? Have you ever seen a baby born? That one miracle should make you see the truth of God's existence.

the world is perfect? since when?

The trees, the grass, the air....... you know what I mean. The simple fact that we can live on this planet.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO
When you have an experience with Jesus, you will know that he is in fact real. Why is it so hard for you to look around and not be able to tell that this world was created by God? Do you honestly feel everything is a perfect as it is by an explosion? Have you ever seen a baby born? That one miracle should make you see the truth of God's existence.

Perfection is man-made. The natural world is organic, disorderly, and dynamic.

When you couple chaos with an infinite amount of time, anything is possible.

What certainly isn't possible is that the earth is 7,000 years old and everything in our universe was created in a week.

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

When you have an experience with Jesus, you will know that he is in fact real. Why is it so hard for you to look around and not be able to tell that this world was created by God? Do you honestly feel everything is a perfect as it is by an explosion? Have you ever seen a baby born? That one miracle should make you see the truth of God's existence.

the world is perfect? since when?

The world is perfect in the sense that everything required for life is here. It doesn't seem strange that we require oxygen to breathe, and all those trees and plants all around us produce oxygen in their own living process? But when we breathe out oxygen we breathe out carbon dioxide, which is useless to us, except it is used by plants in photosynthesis, in which oxygen is produced and the cycle continues. The world really is too perfect to not have a creator behind it.