Zen 2 APUs/"Renoir" discussion thread

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LightningZ71

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Hmm, a higher wattage 4150G, with SMY enabled and 200Mhz more boost clock should help close the gap with the i3 they mentioned, though, it still won't threaten it with ST scores.
 

Asterox

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The latest information for Renoir-X.

We still need to wait a bit for official confirmation.


 

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It's weird, 4500(Renoir 6/12) and 3600(Mattise 6/12) are pretty similar position.... unless 4500 is an OEM one, otherwise I don't think it make sense since 3600 had been sold a lot and keep selling still. Also the naming scheme is disasterous that people might not distinguish well between 4500&3600... I would take a grain of salt.
 
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It's weird, 4500(Renoir 6/12) and 3600(Mattise 6/12) are pretty similar position.... unless 4500 is an OEM one, otherwise I don't think it make sense since 3600 had been sold a lot and keep selling still. Also the naming scheme is disasterous that people might not distinguish well between 4500&3600... I would take a grain of salt.

In today world or situation, in reality nobody cares about that.

Now or today, for example in Germany or Austria R5 3600(Box version) price is 250euro.

CPU Price performanse ratio, 6/12 R5 4500 for 130$ or euro(if legit) there is nothing to complain about.

Useful comparison, Zen2 4/8 Ryzen 3 with small 4mb L3 in gaming can be faster vs old R5 1600.

- R3 Pro 4350G=R3 4100 no iGPU


It would be an interesting comparison, R3 4100 vs i3 12100 Alder Lake in gaming.Tech Yes City also used old original R5 1600.

 
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deasd

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In today world or situation, in reality nobody cares about that.

Now or today, for example in Germany or Austria R5 3600(Box version) price is 250euro.

CPU Price performanse ratio, 6/12 R5 4500 for 130$ or euro(if legit) there is nothing to complain about.

Useful comparison, Zen2 4/8 Ryzen 3 with small 4mb L3 in gaming can be faster vs old R5 1600.

- R3 Pro 4350G=R3 4100 no iGPU


It would be an interesting comparison, R3 4100 vs i3 12100 Alder Lake in gaming.Tech Yes City also used old original R5 1600.

Are there any comparison benchmark that showing differences in APUs with different high/low clocks RAM? I wanna see Renoir with 2400/3200/3600 and compare to Mattise / Cezanne with 2400/3200/3600 and compare to Vermeer, but couldn't find one.... I wonder if higher mem clocks could become a compensation of lesser L3 cache... maybe my question is off topic
 

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Today AMD is officially announced six new processors.Two 4000 Renoir-X models, and G model or R5 4600G.




Well i have no complaints, but one year ago i paid R5 4650G 200euro.
 
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Huh if this is legit, Asus B350 motherboards will not get new Bios for new CPU models.


As far i see, Asus B350 motherboards they currently dont support Renoir APU.

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/PRIME-B350-PLUS/HelpDesk_CPU/

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/PRIME/PRIME-B350M-E/HelpDesk_CPU/

Gigabyte example, cheep B350 motherboard has Bios(almost three months old) support for Renoir APU.

 

Shivansps

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That is not correct, B350/X370 currently supports Renoir APUs, while A320 supports Renoir AND Vermeer.

They are launching new bios starting today were they should add Vermeer support (incluiding 5800X3D) to all remaining 300 boards, but it depends on the OEM to do so.

What they are NOT doing is Cezanne support on the 300 series. The microcode is in the bios but they are artificially blocked from booting up. It remains to be seen if that would change in the future.

 
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That is not correct, B350/X370 currently supports Renoir APUs, while A320 supports Renoir AND Vermeer.

They are launching new bios starting today were they should add Vermeer support (incluiding 5800X3D) to all remaining 300 boards, but it depends on the OEM to do so.

What they are NOT doing is Cezanne support on the 300 series. The microcode is in the bios but they are artificially blocked from booting up. It remains to be seen if that would change in the future.


Well, this shows you that Asus website is garbage or trash.

By good logic, if you have main CPU support list=any suported CPU must be listed on that main list.Again same example, Asus garbage vs good Gigabyte example.



Asrock example, as far i see there is no Renoir APU on main CPU support list.I don't have a crystal ball, so by good logic this model no support for Renoir APU.


I hope Asrock doesn't do the same lol nonsense as Asus.
 
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Shivansps

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Well, this shows you that Asus website is garbage or trash.

By good logic, if you have main CPU support list=any suported CPU must be listed on that main list.Again same example, Asus garbage vs good Gigabyte example.



Asrock example, as far i see there is no Renoir APU on main CPU support list.I don't have a crystal ball, so by good logic this model no support for Renoir APU.


I hope Asrock doesn't do the same lol nonsense as Asus.

It fully depends on OEM, B350 and X370 are EOL (i think A320 is not yet), its up to them to provide bios or not. But as things are now...

A320 = Renoir + Vermeer + Vermeer B2
B350 = Renoir
X370 = Renoir

But as everything is EOL, they may choose not to provide bios updates, or not to provide them for every model. SO you may have a A320/B350/X370 (or a early revision) whiout Renoir support. For example A320M-R WIFI is one of the A320s that didnt get the Renoir update.

What SHOULD happen right now is that X370 should get the Vermeer/Vermeer B2 update, but that again depend on OEM. B350 should get the same as the X370 but there is a chance it may not. AMD was blocking X370/B350+Vermeer at agesa level last time.

And they are dead set on not allowing Cezannes on the 300 series for wharever reason, this includes the 5500 and the 5700 non x.

 

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Renoir-X yet they just reuse the same 4600G name? smh. why not 4600GX?

"11MB cache"? curious
 
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Renoir-X yet they just reuse the same 4600G name? smh. why not 4600GX?

"11MB L3"? curious

No, Renoir R5 and R7 has 8mb L3 Cache.

Did you see AMD slides, R5 4600G(Graphics) is not Renoir-X.


In short, Ryzen 5 4600G=Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-5-pro-4650g

 

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Btw, i think you are right to point out that no a single one of the Asus b350 seems to support Renoir. Its their decision after all. I think Gigabyte is the only one that really commited to support Renoir on B350s. That may change now, but dont count on it.

And tbh, the only reason why the X370 is getting a update to support Vermeer is because people complained a lot, and i mean, a lot, after A320 got that update (because it is still in production), and the B350 and X370 did not. They accepted to support X370 but B350 was never mentioned at all. And thats why a lot of B350 boards never got the Renoir update.
 
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I see, looks like they combined L2 and L3 on the 4600G and just call it 11MB cache on the slide.
 
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Asterox

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Btw, i think you are right to point out that no a single one of the Asus b350 seems to support Renoir. Its their decision after all. I think Gigabyte is the only one that really commited to support Renoir on B350s. That may change now, but dont count on it.

And tbh, the only reason why the X370 is getting a update to support Vermeer is because people complained a lot, and i mean, a lot, after A320 got that update (because it is still in production), and the B350 and X370 did not. They accepted to support X370 but B350 was never mentioned at all. And thats why a lot of B350 boards never got the Renoir update.

As expected, any supported CPU must be listed on main CPU support list.

Asus B350 no Renoir support, or same story with one random MSI B350 motherboard example.

 
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Shivansps

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As expected, any supported CPU must be listed on main CPU support list.

Asus B350 no Renoir support, or same story with one random MSI B350 motherboard example.


Right now, i think Gigabyte is the only one with Renoir support on their B350s. Wait to see what happens next week when they should be releasing AGESA v2 1.2.0.7 bios for the 300 series... Everything can happen, even Cezanne support (but it is very, very unlikely). At the end of the day its up to the oems to choose what motherboards to provide bios updates to. They are mostly interested in A320 boards because thats what they are still producing and selling. B350 and X370 are long gone.
 
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Shivansps

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AMD 4800S coming. Appears to be a Series S|X chip with the GPU busted.

Oh great, lets add the 4800S to the 4700S that NO ONE WANTS. I hope they have learned their lesson.

EDIT: I can already see in the picture it is a x8 electrical slot... double heat spreader seems to indicate they added a pci-e bridge. I really hope it is 4.0 to support the 6500XT.

Now... they are adding a pcie bridge on top of a SB... its problably the same, very old one, used on the 4700S... it wouldt have been better to just add a x570 chipset and be done with it?

WAIT A MINUTE, these APUs only have a pcie x4 4.0 link because it is only intended to be used for a M.2. yep, more trash.
 
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Relax, these things mostly just sell in SE Asia/China, no?

I dont think so, they are in LA too. The problem is, with terrible products, just like the 4700S is, sometimes they force you into buying them.

Example: "Oh, you want 200 RX6600s? Well, you must buy 200 4700S too." That happened, and it is more common than you think if you cant buy directly off AMD/Gigabyte, etc...
 

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I dont think so, they are in LA too. The problem is, with terrible products, just like the 4700S is, sometimes they force you into buying them.

Example: "Oh, you want 200 RX6600s? Well, you must buy 200 4700S too." That happened, and it is more common than you think if you cant buy directly off AMD/Gigabyte, etc...

Eh. I guess that's a valid perspective if you're downmarket and trying to buy in those quantities. But that's a perspective unique to these forums, I'm afraid.
 
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