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DrMrLordX

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That means if i use EXPO settings i essentially invalidate my Warranty, making threadripper just a glorified EPYC if you want to hold onto your warranty.
EXPO settings will change all manner of voltages, just like XMP/XMP 2.0 always has (depending on the mobo vendor). It has pretty much always been overclocking. Threadripper has the fuse and it will blow when you enable it. That's all it's really telling you.
 

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EXPO settings will change all manner of voltages, just like XMP/XMP 2.0 always has (depending on the mobo vendor). It has pretty much always been overclocking. Threadripper has the fuse and it will blow when you enable it. That's all it's really telling you.

Yeah im getting a lot of mix answers on google when i investigate exactly what gets invalidated.
I dont think they will do a scummy thing like reject RMA unless your CPU has been battered to heck, but again, how will they prove it?

It would probably almost cost more to do a full analysis on why the CPU died, then just mailing the customer a new one.

But a blown fuse they can throw it on a scanner... oh fuse blown reject without any investigation and deny RMA.

Only time will tell, and good news is im pretty sure if someone was let down by AMD RMA, they would of already ranted a storm in regards of it, so it either means the CPU is durable, or no one buys threadripper and overclocks them anymore.

So again, once im done with hardware validation / testing, to make sure nothing needs to get sent back for a replacement, i'll toss it on water, accept the Y on the disclaimer, and go YOLO.

I need to do more research on how to overclock Threadripper, because it seems they do run very hot, and Jay2Cents along with Gamers Nexus has them pulling 600W once u unlock that PDO.

But again, i don't really like how EXPO invalidates your warranty.
That has to be illegal, because the RAM company is validating the RAM speed, the board is saying it can support it on the QVL, and when you try to get your ram working, it says doing so will wreck your warranty.
There should be a disclaimer on the QVL saying running EXPO speed ram will invalidate your warranty before you go off and purchase that expensive fast ram.
 
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I need to do more research on how to overclock Threadripper, because it seems they do run very hot, and Jay2Cents along with Gamers Nexus has them pulling 600W once u unlock that PDO.
Which begs the question, do you really want to overclock it? With 4 channels, it's roughly DDR5-9600 in terms of bandwidth already and that seems plenty.

9950X DDR5-6000 per thread memory transfers: 187.5 MT/s

7960X DDR5-9600 per thread memory transfers: 200 MT/s

You still come out ahead even with stock settings. Why take the risk so early and why not just enjoy the system for a few years before blowing the fuse?
 

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Markfw

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this heatsink wont fit his threadripper.

the one you linked is for SP5 only. only for EPYC Genoa/Bergamo/Turin.

threadripper is smaller like the SP3 size, even on the zen4 threadrippers. he needs the "4U-M" model.
then this one:
 

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I need to do more research on how to overclock Threadripper, because it seems they do run very hot, and Jay2Cents along with Gamers Nexus has them pulling 600W once u unlock that PDO.
I don't have a Threadripper, but I am thinking it should be as easy as this:
  • 600 W CPU power consumption won't be an issue once you mounted the waterblock and the large radiators which you mentioned. Still, you might find that the last couple of hundreds Watts don't give you anything of note in real usage, so you might want to set your own power limit anyway. A PPT limit, notably.
  • The peak socket power consumption also matters to VRM temperatures of course, but you already have active cooling on them. Just take care to ventilate the computer case such that the VRM cooler fans pull mostly fresh air, not e.g. from GPU exhaust.
  • Peak CPU hot-spot temperatures are a basically matter of peak core clock frequency, so you might want to set your preferred limit of that one too. Or set a temperature limit instead? Or both? I don't know which of these choices Zen 4 overclockers would prefer, and why, though either should work just as well.
 
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aigomorla

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I don't have a Threadripper, but I am thinking it should be as easy as this:
  • 600 W CPU power consumption won't be an issue once you mounted the waterblock and the large radiators which you mentioned. Still, you might find that the last couple of hundreds Watts don't give you anything of note in real usage, so you might want to set your own power limit anyway. A PPT limit, notably.
  • The peak socket power consumption also matters to VRM temperatures of course, but you already have active cooling on them. Just take care to ventilate the computer case such that the VRM cooler fans pull mostly fresh air, not e.g. from GPU exhaust.
  • Peak CPU hot-spot temperatures are a basically matter of peak core clock frequency, so you might want to set your preferred limit of that one too. Or set a temperature limit instead? Or both? I don't know which of these choices Zen 4 overclockers would prefer, and why, though either should work just as well.

yes i know i have to reduce that SoC voltage as much as possible.
Im hearing a bulk of it can come from that guy as well, with a 1.2V SoC pulling 80W.
Im being reminded of the original Kentsfield days from intel. Those guys changed the heat load drastically and these guys are no joke compared to the normal Ryzens i have been building.

Welps, im almost done with the testing.
I just need to wait for another 1600W eVGA P+ psu to come in to pair the existing one i have.
So this system will have 2 x 1600W psu's. I dont even know if my wall or UPS for that matter can handle it.
Im gonna have to dedicate that single 30A outlet i have in my room for my PC stuff, just to my PC and move all the other accessories on another outlet.
 

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The user manual of your mainboard does not explain what its dual PSU feature is for. It says "Dual PSU configuration should only be used when overclocking" but that does obviously not mean that dual PSUs were actually be required when overclocking. A single top-end PSU should still be able to handle even an overclocked 96-core Threadripper... unless we are talking extreme overclocking with liquid nitrogen cooling.

Another use case for a dual PSU setup is for multi GPU computing. In that case, one doesn't strictly need mainboard support for dual PSUs, but this way it is more convenient and safer than controlling the second PSU via a 24pin splitter cable of questionable build quality, or via a splitter PCB.
 

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The user manual of your mainboard does not explain what its dual PSU feature is for. It says "Dual PSU configuration should only be used when overclocking" but that does obviously not mean that dual PSUs were actually be required when overclocking. A single top-end PSU should still be able to handle even an overclocked 96-core Threadripper... unless we are talking extreme overclocking with liquid nitrogen cooling.

Another use case for a dual PSU setup is for multi GPU computing. In that case, one doesn't strictly need mainboard support for dual PSUs, but this way it is more convenient and safer than controlling the second PSU via a 24pin splitter cable of questionable build quality, or via a splitter PCB.

Your absolutely right, but im a "if it has it, must use it."

The extra PSU isnt much, probably wont end up using it, as i wont be pushing any record breaking benches on the cpu, but my H2O gear does pull probably an additional 100-200W on the system with the amount of fans and pumps. I am running typically 3 pumps, 12 case fans, 8 of which are high powered 1.5A fans, and im still waiting for a 5090 FE to come in stock.

It would be nice to have that extra headroom, which means i can dedicate a 1300W just to the board and cpu, and the 1600W to the rest of the system including the GPU cards.
 
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which means i can dedicate a 1300W just to the board and cpu, and the 1600W to the rest of the system including the GPU cards.
I on the other hand am dedicating 350...450 W per 64c/128t CPU computing node, and 350...400 W per 4c+RTX4090 node (or twice that per 4c+2xRTX4090 node). :-)
(That's "at-the-wall" power too, i.e. with peripherals, cooling, and the PSU's own losses.) I have several of such nodes crammed into a shelf in the living room. Which turns from living room to living hell if I use much of that shelf at once. ;-)
 
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