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Det0x

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Well, I am stuck on the memory config. My first ASUS bios, and I can't find the EXP setting like ASRock, so installing windows with memory at 4800.

Suggestions ? I have 6400 memory, want to run it at 6000 1.35 v, 1.25 VSOC. All mt attemps cause a safe mode boot, so I have to use default.

And where is that SP number is ASUS bios ? (922 version)
"EXPO" can be found here: "AI overclcok tuner"
If you have having problems booting 6400MT/s you can just set memory frequency to 6000MT/s a few lines down


SP values can be found in the AI feature menu
Extreme tweaker -> AI feature
 

eek2121

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Well, I am stuck on the memory config. My first ASUS bios, and I can't find the EXP setting like ASRock, so installing windows with memory at 4800.

Suggestions ? I have 6400 memory, want to run it at 6000 1.35 v, 1.25 VSOC. All mt attemps cause a safe mode boot, so I have to use default.

And where is that SP number is ASUS bios ? (922 version)

Memory settings should be on the A.I. tweaker menu I believe. You want Expo ideally, or D.O.C.P. I if expo is absent.

Note, on my Strix X670e-i board at least, if you select a memory setting that the board thinks may not be valid or have too many unclean shutdowns the system will hang on memory training with ASUS claiming a CPU error is at fault. If your machine doesn't boot, reset CMOS, even if your settings are valid. I am about to engage ASUS, AMD, and poke at several reviewers on twitter and elsewhere, because this issue still is not fixed several BIOS revisions in and I strongly suspect it is not specific to my model. It initially appears that the BIOS (likely the AGESA code from AMD) is too aggressive about faulting memory issues for unclean shutdowns, and ASUS isn't properly cleaning up after the fact.

Wind storms rolled through my area here in the southeast yesterday, and my PC shut off 3-5 times, after that, black screen, chipset fan at full blast, CPU fault error LED. Note that this has been an issue since launch. Do you have any idea how hard it is to reset the CMOS on my board? I have to unplug the machine open my tiny case, pull out a daughter card, install a jumper, install the daughter card. Push the power button to ensure discharge. Unplug the daughter card, remove jumper. Install daughter card. Put case back together. Plug in PC, push power button. Wait 2-3 minutes to get to 'Your BIOS has been reset' notice, and finally, I can set all my settings again. This has been an issue since launch. It has hampered my desire to tweak timings, because guess what? If there is a memory fault from a stress test that ALSO has a very good chance of causing the black screen of death.

Miserable experience overall. ASUS and/or AMD need to get it together.
 
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In2Photos

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Memory settings should be on the A.I. tweaker menu I believe. You want Expo ideally, or D.O.C.P. I if expo is absent.

Note, on my Strix X670e-i board at least, if you select a memory setting that the board thinks may not be valid or have too many unclean shutdowns the system will hang on memory training with ASUS claiming a CPU error is at fault. If your machine doesn't boot, reset CMOS, even if your settings are valid. I am about to engage ASUS, AMD, and poke at several reviewers on twitter and elsewhere, because this issue still is not fixed several BIOS revisions in and I strongly suspect it is not specific to my model. It initially appears that the BIOS (likely the AGESA code from AMD) is too aggressive about faulting memory issues for unclean shutdowns, and ASUS isn't properly cleaning up after the fact.

Wind storms rolled through my area here in the southeast yesterday, and my PC shut off 3-5 times, after that, black screen, chipset fan at full blast, CPU fault error LED. Note that this has been an issue since launch. Do you have any idea how hard it is to reset the CMOS on my board? I have to unplug the machine open my tiny case, pull out a daughter card, install a jumper, install the daughter card. Push the power button to ensure discharge. Unplug the daughter card, remove jumper. Install daughter card. Put case back together. Plug in PC, push power button. Wait 2-3 minutes to get to 'Your BIOS has been reset' notice, and finally, I can set all my settings again. This has been an issue since launch. It has hampered my desire to tweak timings, because guess what? If there is a memory fault from a stress test that ALSO has a very good chance of causing the black screen of death.

Miserable experience overall. ASUS and/or AMD need to get it together.
I would rig up a momentary switch on the CMOS jumper and run it somewhere in the case that's easy to get to!
 
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In2Photos

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Well, I am stuck on the memory config. My first ASUS bios, and I can't find the EXP setting like ASRock, so installing windows with memory at 4800.

Suggestions ? I have 6400 memory, want to run it at 6000 1.35 v, 1.25 VSOC. All mt attemps cause a safe mode boot, so I have to use default.

And where is that SP number is ASUS bios ? (922 version)
You should always install Windows at default speeds. Don't do any overclocking until after Windows is installed and all drivers/BIOS is up to date.
 
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Markfw

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OK,. I got DOCP 1 6200,2100 to boot. No AI extreme menu (must be more expensive ASUS bios), so no SP ratings. Going to tweak timings next.
 

eek2121

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I would rig up a momentary switch on the CMOS jumper and run it somewhere in the case that's easy to get to!

Hah! The thought has crossed my mind multiple times. I just have to figure out the best approach (i.e. not ugly, yet easily accessible) and haven't had time to dedicate the brain power into doing so. Resetting CMOS should really not be something a user, even an experienced one, should have to do on a regular basis just because the firmware is too paranoid to continue using previous settings.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Inland has one. Same controller.

Yeah but you gotta pick that up from Microcenter, and that isn't an option for me. Wish they'd build one around here.

Guess I'll just order the Gigabyte one.

edit: argh amazon is out of stock. Any other places to get one? I can't find them. Even from eBay scalpers.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Question (I'll take this to the storage section if you'd rather I asked it there): anyone got recent experience with the Samsung 990 Pro? Supposedly they recently released a firmware update to prevent early wear that was observed by many users of the 990 Pro in the past few months. I'm considering this as an alternative to a PCIe NVMe drive in case I can't get an Aorus drive in a reasonable timeframe. My GPU waterblock hasn't even shipped yet, so I have a few weeks (probably).
 

Markfw

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Question (I'll take this to the storage section if you'd rather I asked it there): anyone got recent experience with the Samsung 990 Pro? Supposedly they recently released a firmware update to prevent early wear that was observed by many users of the 990 Pro in the past few months. I'm considering this as an alternative to a PCIe NVMe drive in case I can't get an Aorus drive in a reasonable timeframe. My GPU waterblock hasn't even shipped yet, so I have a few weeks (probably).
Why not a PCIE Gen 4 drive ? I have 3 of the corsair 600 series. I would wait on a gen 5 drive anyway, until they are proven.
 

Hail The Brain Slug

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Question (I'll take this to the storage section if you'd rather I asked it there): anyone got recent experience with the Samsung 990 Pro? Supposedly they recently released a firmware update to prevent early wear that was observed by many users of the 990 Pro in the past few months. I'm considering this as an alternative to a PCIe NVMe drive in case I can't get an Aorus drive in a reasonable timeframe. My GPU waterblock hasn't even shipped yet, so I have a few weeks (probably).
I can't recommend any modern Samsung drive at this point due to how many critical bugs have happened between the 980 Pro and 990, in addition to the still unfixed and inexplicable performance issues the 980 Pro exhibits under heavy mixed I/O (unsure if 990 Pro has the same issue until anandtech reviews it).

P41 platinum or SN850X are better, more reliable options IMO.
 

Markfw

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So, after my 4th 7950x* system, and 3 different motherboards, some feedback. ASRock Taichi ROCKS ! ASRock steel legend at least works, but not near as easily, and ASUS sucks.

Not to mention the Taichi is the only one with a good heatsink (with fan) to support a real gen 5 NVME drive and keep it cool. BIOS flashback works perfectly, and BIOS is easy to use.
 

In2Photos

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I can't recommend any modern Samsung drive at this point due to how many critical bugs have happened between the 980 Pro and 990, in addition to the still unfixed and inexplicable performance issues the 980 Pro exhibits under heavy mixed I/O (unsure if 990 Pro has the same issue until anandtech reviews it).

P41 platinum or SN850X are better, more reliable options IMO.

I haven't had any issues with my 980Pros, but I've only had them about a month. I had also considered the P41 platinum and SN850X, but ultimately chose what I've had good luck with in the past (Samsung SSDs).
So, after my 4th 7950x* system, and 3 different motherboards, some feedback. ASRock Taichi ROCKS ! ASRock steel legend at least works, but not near as easily, and ASUS sucks.

Not to mention the Taichi is the only one with a good heatsink (with fan) to support a real gen 5 NVME drive and keep it cool. BIOS flashback works perfectly, and BIOS is easy to use.
I've always heard good things about the Taichi models. ASUS seems to be the board of choice for extreme overclocking, but your not the first person to voice issues with their board. I've always preferred MSI and have had great experiences with them. Only issue I had was with my X58 Pro, the northbridge chip ran hot. I put a heatsink on it with a small fan and it runs 20C cooler even with an OC. That board is 14 years old now and still runs my F@H rig 24/7.
 

Thor86

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Memory settings should be on the A.I. tweaker menu I believe. You want Expo ideally, or D.O.C.P. I if expo is absent.

Note, on my Strix X670e-i board at least, if you select a memory setting that the board thinks may not be valid or have too many unclean shutdowns the system will hang on memory training with ASUS claiming a CPU error is at fault. If your machine doesn't boot, reset CMOS, even if your settings are valid. I am about to engage ASUS, AMD, and poke at several reviewers on twitter and elsewhere, because this issue still is not fixed several BIOS revisions in and I strongly suspect it is not specific to my model. It initially appears that the BIOS (likely the AGESA code from AMD) is too aggressive about faulting memory issues for unclean shutdowns, and ASUS isn't properly cleaning up after the fact.

Wind storms rolled through my area here in the southeast yesterday, and my PC shut off 3-5 times, after that, black screen, chipset fan at full blast, CPU fault error LED. Note that this has been an issue since launch. Do you have any idea how hard it is to reset the CMOS on my board? I have to unplug the machine open my tiny case, pull out a daughter card, install a jumper, install the daughter card. Push the power button to ensure discharge. Unplug the daughter card, remove jumper. Install daughter card. Put case back together. Plug in PC, push power button. Wait 2-3 minutes to get to 'Your BIOS has been reset' notice, and finally, I can set all my settings again. This has been an issue since launch. It has hampered my desire to tweak timings, because guess what? If there is a memory fault from a stress test that ALSO has a very good chance of causing the black screen of death.

Miserable experience overall. ASUS and/or AMD need to get it together.


Damn, that sucks big time. Suggest looking into an decent Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS). It not only will save you from these headaches but save you from damaging you expensive electronics from outages or brownouts.
 

DrMrLordX

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Why not a PCIE Gen 4 drive ? I have 3 of the corsair 600 series. I would wait on a gen 5 drive anyway, until they are proven.

The 990 Pro is a Gen 4 drive.

I can't recommend any modern Samsung drive at this point due to how many critical bugs have happened between the 980 Pro and 990, in addition to the still unfixed and inexplicable performance issues the 980 Pro exhibits under heavy mixed I/O (unsure if 990 Pro has the same issue until anandtech reviews it).

P41 platinum or SN850X are better, more reliable options IMO.

To my knowledge, the 990 Pro's only problem was the wear issue which is fixed with firmware. The main issue now is that owners of older 990 Pros can't get the early wear "erased" by firmware, so they're stuck with drives that show 70-80% life remaining under SMART. A brand new drive shouldn't exhibit these effects.

And the 990 Pro is now very cheap.

That being said, I'd rather have the Aorus Gen5 10000.
 

biostud

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The 990 Pro is a Gen 4 drive.



To my knowledge, the 990 Pro's only problem was the wear issue which is fixed with firmware. The main issue now is that owners of older 990 Pros can't get the early wear "erased" by firmware, so they're stuck with drives that show 70-80% life remaining under SMART. A brand new drive shouldn't exhibit these effects.

And the 990 Pro is now very cheap.

That being said, I'd rather have the Aorus Gen5 10000.
I’ve chosen to go with the SN850X 1TB as a boot drive an initial drive, and then I can add a pcie5 drive down the road when price and performance and heat issues all hopefully are better. I doubt it matter anything if it is the boot drive or not in regards to performance. And also the reason why I in the end chose a X670 board, to not run out of m2 slots over the next 10 years.
 
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DrMrLordX

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I’ve chosen to go with the SN850X 1TB as a boot drive an initial drive, and then I can add a pcie5 drive down the road when price and performance and heat issues all hopefully are better. I doubt it matter anything if it is the boot drive or not in regards to performance. And also the reason why I in the end chose a X670 board, to not run out of m2 slots over the next 10 years.

I have two NVMe drives I plan to grandfather into the new system, so adding more drives later won't be an option. Not without killing performance of my x16 slot.
 
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ASRock Taichi ROCKS ! ASRock steel legend at least works, but not near as easily, and ASUS sucks. BIOS flashback works perfectly, and BIOS is easy to use.
Yes, from the screenshots, I was thinking, ASUS UEFI isn't very user friendly at all.

So Taichi is the current mobo king then

(Not just your experience. Read some stellar reviews where the reviewers seemed very pleased to have spent time with the Taichi mobos. MSI godlike mobos don't count coz of their insane price.)
 

Ranulf

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Question (I'll take this to the storage section if you'd rather I asked it there): anyone got recent experience with the Samsung 990 Pro? Supposedly they recently released a firmware update to prevent early wear that was observed by many users of the 990 Pro in the past few months. I'm considering this as an alternative to a PCIe NVMe drive in case I can't get an Aorus drive in a reasonable timeframe. My GPU waterblock hasn't even shipped yet, so I have a few weeks (probably).

I'll make a post about it in the storage forum but this site has some good info on the affected models from a month ago:

 

DrMrLordX

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PCIe 5.0 x8 is still fast enough.

PCIe 4.0 x8 is like 5% less performance in worst case.

My 7900 XTX is PCIe 4.0 only. No need for me to lose performance off that, especially if I run it overclocked (it's going under water, so . . .)

Would it be an idea to use one of them as boot drive, and then add the Pcie5 drive later?

I could, but I'd much rather use the new drive for boot purposes. Plus there's not a huge benefit to PCIe 5.0 drives yet. The first one to offer substantial performance increases will be the top-end Adata drive that isn't out yet. Not sure when it hits.
 
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