Aha! Good one Justinus. That is very much on cue for amd systems because they're much more speed sensitive than Intel. Being able to tune a fine grade kit would be essential if you couldn't go too high on transfer speeds, you'd seek to cut it elsewhere.My guess is they are using Hynix for the Neo line of 6000C30 kits for EXPO due to the tighter timings, it looks like a lot of the XMP 6000 kits are samsung.
Why they used hynix M die in the 32GB kit but A die in the 64GB kit I am not sure, and maybe it's just based on supply/stock.
From my understanding of most users' experience with EXPO on these forums, EXPO works out of the box. Just turn it on and save yourself the trouble of trying to tune your RAM unless you enjoy wasting hours. Your X3D makes RAM finetuning kinda redundant.Then try the EXPO setting to see if that is stable and then...?
I've never really tuned RAM before. But I basically did what you described. I'm a firm believer in installing windows and drivers with default settings for the most stable system. Once that's done then you can start playing around. I ran XMP settings for a few weeks before I applied Buildzoid's timings. That was good enough for me.So I finally set power to mys system, so I could do flashback to get the newest BIOS supporting the 7800X3D. I've bought the G.Skill Trident Z5 6000Mhz CL30
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But the last time I did memory tuning was before my current system, so I'm not fully up to speed.
My idea was to get everything installed running JEDEC speeds and make sure the system is stable. Then try the EXPO setting to see if that is stable and then...?
Should I follow Buildzoids hynix guide or if I'm to do it without it is there a recommended guide somewhere?
Until Windows decides what it thinks you need. [I've never really tuned RAM before. But I basically did what you described. I'm a firm believer in installing windows and drivers with default settings for the most stable system. Once that's done then you can start playing around. I ran XMP settings for a few weeks before I applied Buildzoid's timings. That was good enough for me.
CPU utilization during gaming is vastly different.For those with a 7950x3d what are the max clocks you have seen? I did some testing on a single core and on the 3d cores I have never seen more than 4.9 GHZ. For the speed cores I have not seen more than 5.3 GHZ. This was testing with cinebench single core mode or using prime 95 on a single core. I want to say the clocks were advertised to boost higher than that. I saw a slight boost if I set the mobo to auto OC 3d mode which I believe set the FSB to 103%, but it was slight.
I hope that you won't delid this and sell it to me once you get bored of it
Don't encourage him! That's a very nice sample he got!
Sadly it have happened, the 7950x3d have died with the error 00 fault-code after getting progressively worse the last few weeks.. As a guesstimate for a explanation, i almost suspect i cut to deep on the die when i was removing indium with scalpel and the LM started to eat something making it gradually worse.. (last few days it was hazel to boot/train memory)Successful 7950X3D delid
Result is much more even temperature-spread on CCD1, especially with core 8, 10 and 12 compared to 9, 11 og 13
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Thermalright FS140 on Amazon is about $40 and completely overkill for air cooling. You could go smaller than that without issue since the average power usage while gaming is so little.For those of you using air coolers, which ones are you using and how would you say they're working out for you? I may be going to microcenter this week to grab a 7800x3d as the first steps of my new build and trying to sort out the cooling as a next step...
I've bought a DeepCool AK620 for my 7800X3D, but that was before I knew the thermal properties of the CPU. I haven't received my CPU yet, so I can't tell you how it works out, but a smaller cooler should be sufficient. On the other hand I can probably run it with very low RPM fans.For those of you using air coolers, which ones are you using and how would you say they're working out for you? I may be going to microcenter this week to grab a 7800x3d as the first steps of my new build and trying to sort out the cooling as a next step...
For my daughter's 7600X I used the ID Cooling SE-226-XT. I paid $40 for it around Christmas. It does a good job, no issues really. Only thing you need to make sure of is that you have a long Philips screwdriver for installation. And it has to be small enough to fit through the hole in the heat sink.For those of you using air coolers, which ones are you using and how would you say they're working out for you? I may be going to microcenter this week to grab a 7800x3d as the first steps of my new build and trying to sort out the cooling as a next step...
I have 2 of the 620 coolers, one on a 7950x and one on a 7950x3d. Both work greatThanks to you three for the quick replies. The Deepcool and thermalright coolers have all made their way in and out of my pcpartpicker list so those are definitely in contention. I'll definitely take a look at that ID Cooling one as well. I'm not familiar with the brand, but that is probably more because I haven't built anything in a while.
Disregard.Thanks to you three for the quick replies. The Deepcool and thermalright coolers have all made their way in and out of my pcpartpicker list so those are definitely in contention. I'll definitely take a look at that ID Cooling one as well. I'm not familiar with the brand, but that is probably more because I haven't built anything in a while.
Not sure what cooler you are referencing but the 226XT uses a 120mm fan and it is far from noisy. It also has 6 heat pipes so it performs way better than the stock Ryzen cooler.I have used all of those.
Thermalright FS140 > Deepcool 620 >>> ID Cooling SE-226-XT
ID Cooling SE-226-XT works well for compact builds due to 92mm fan, but it's not particularly quiet and it's about the performance level of an old Ryzen stock cooler. The Thermalright FS140 is rated up to 250W TDP.
If you have the space, the Thermalright cooler will allow for the quietest operation since you can run the fan(s) at lower RPM.
which one of these is it ? I can't find an FS140I have used all of those.
Thermalright FS140 > Deepcool 620 >>> ID Cooling SE-226-XT
ID Cooling SE-226-XT works well for compact builds due to 92mm fan, but it's not particularly quiet and it's about the performance level of an old Ryzen stock cooler. The Thermalright FS140 is rated up to 250W TDP.
If you have the space, the Thermalright cooler will allow for the quietest operation since you can run the fan(s) at lower RPM.
Not sure what cooler you are referencing but the 226XT uses a 120mm fan and it is far from noisy. It also has 6 heat pipes so it performs way better than the stock Ryzen cooler.
newegg didn't have it, odd. But Yes, $42 is great for that HSFGood catch. Mistook the model #, you are correct the 226XT is a better model.
Anyways, lots of options around $40.
@Markfw this is the FS140:
How's it compare to noctua's dh15? Do you think I could get away with an hsf on the other zen 4 systems I plan on building or would you recommend the same liquid cooler for all 4-5 systems? I could lock the non main ones onto eco mode and still plow through all the work thrown at them.newegg didn't have it, odd. But Yes, $42 is great for that HSF
Well, I have a D15 on my first 5050x. I was worried about cooling, that latest is a lot smaller. Its better than the AK620 I have on 2 of my 7950x's, so it should be fine.How's it compare to noctua's dh15? Do you think I could get away with an hsf on the other zen 4 systems I plan on building or would you recommend the same liquid cooler for all 4-5 systems? I could lock the non main ones onto eco mode and still plow through all the work thrown at them.
Fantastic. Would this thermalright perform as well for an aircooler on those 7950Xs at full power taking into consideration AC will be running in the office. I took at the rates for this year that get locked in at the first of the year and noticed it looked like more. They increased some of the rates over last year according to archive orgs cached pages. I won't find out peak hours until summer based on weather outlook. The slight increase looks to be a little less than an extra 70 cents a day. Around $100 extra this year for the season.Well, I have a D15 on my first 5050x. I was worried about cooling, that latest is a lot smaller. Its better than the AK620 I have on 2 of my 7950x's, so it should be fine.
all my7950x's are at 100% 24/7. Check here for any differences you see, but they are all crunching,.Fantastic. Would this thermalright perform as well for an aircooler on those 7950Xs at full power taking into consideration AC will be running in the office. I took at the rates for this year that get locked in at the first of the year and noticed it looked like more. They increased some of the rates over last year according to archive orgs cached pages. I won't find out peak hours until summer based on weather outlook. The slight increase looks to be a little less than an extra 70 cents a day. Around $100 extra this year for the season.