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biostud

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what is a d t cooler? Very nice setup. I am not sure how I feel about there being no curtains with a view of your neighbour's balcony. what is that net under the desk?
Thanks.
Yes, I didn't want to run a closed loop as the 7800X3D didn't really need it. I have a roller curtain at the top of my window. It is an IKEA table with build in cable net.
 
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Thanks.
Yes, I didn't want to run a closed loop as the 7800X3D didn't really need it. I have a roller curtain at the top of my window. It is an IKEA table with build in cable net.
very interesting! I have always admired the nordic countries design philosophy which seem to allow their people to cope with the mind numbing, dull, boring, self harm inducing clinicians office feeling much of the society and long winters have their affect on the people. the chair which I recognize from ikea too is very cool. in the early 80s my now long past grandad had a leather chair that looked similar to that but in tan with off white stitching and steel tool embossing with tiny celtic pattern lines. I don't remember too well but the metal frame was either smooth and chrome or paint lacquered with a dimple effect though I may be confusing it for a chair my nan used to use to sit outside in the garden admiring her handywork. When I saw it at ikea for the first time it brought up a lot of good memories.
 

biostud

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very interesting! I have always admired the nordic countries design philosophy which seem to allow their people to cope with the mind numbing, dull, boring, self harm inducing clinicians office feeling much of the society and long winters have their affect on the people. the chair which I recognize from ikea too is very cool. in the early 80s my now long past grandad had a leather chair that looked similar to that but in tan with off white stitching and steel tool embossing with tiny celtic pattern lines. I don't remember too well but the metal frame was either smooth and chrome or paint lacquered with a dimple effect though I may be confusing it for a chair my nan used to use to sit outside in the garden admiring her handywork. When I saw it at ikea for the first time it brought up a lot of good memories.
The chair is actually not IKEA but a copy of a design chair. I have lots of color around the house, as I find the modern white/black theme very boring. But overall still a minimalistic approach.
 

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The chair is actually not IKEA but a copy of a design chair. I have lots of color around the house, as I find the modern white/black theme very boring. But overall still a minimalistic approach.
ikea likely copied it. the chair isn't sold anymore and if memory serves wasn't very comfortable, compared to grandad's which was. idk the lack of color would help you see any critters like spiders or snakes, or some one whose broken into your flat and slowly sneaking up to you waiting to drive a long stake into your back and you can quickly make out their shadow as they slowly slew across the parquet.
 
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coercitiv

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It's too clean. Where is the jank? All I see is a dog-eared mousepad.
He did his best with the wires though, casually all over the place. Then there's the old school (slight) GPU sag. I think it should get the seal of approval even in the absence of any Delta industrial fan.
 

DrMrLordX

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He did his best with the wires though, casually all over the place. Then there's the old school (slight) GPU sag. I think it should get the seal of approval even in the absence of any Delta industrial fan.
I'll give it to you on the GPU sag, but his wires are beautiful compared to whatever I'll be turning in once I get this system up and running. I'm already doing "cable management" and it'll be great once I get all the fan headers hooked up! Not even bothering with the ARGB crap. The backpanel is so cluttered thanks to that nonsense. Thanks MSI.
 
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biostud

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He did his best with the wires though, casually all over the place. Then there's the old school (slight) GPU sag. I think it should get the seal of approval even in the absence of any Delta industrial fan.
There wasn't room for the video card support bracket in the case, it blocked the large power cable. Being able to route wires on the backside of the case is definitely something that has improved in case design since 2014.
 

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He did his best with the wires though, casually all over the place. Then there's the old school (slight) GPU sag. I think it should get the seal of approval even in the absence of any Delta industrial fan.
Theres no window, so I don't care Also I try to go for a relatively silent build, so no Delta Screamers....
 
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ikea likely copied it. the chair isn't sold anymore and if memory serves wasn't very comfortable, compared to grandad's which was. idk the lack of color would help you see any critters like spiders or snakes, or some one whose broken into your flat and slowly sneaking up to you waiting to drive a long stake into your back and you can quickly make out their shadow as they slowly slew across the parquet.
My chair is a copy af this Charles Eames chair. It's some Polish brand. My experience with IKEA chairs, are that they are pretty bad, but I sit really well in my chair, which is now 10 years old.


 

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Yes looks a lot like grandad's chair. The back on his was taller and more laid back with an x brace of metal that wrapped for a nature contour. the seat portion was similar but my memory of how it looked was different. that is an ea107. If grandad hjad an earmes it would have been from the 1960s. I'll have to do research but I'm sure it wasn't an eames or a customer order for that time. I don't believe either of these cost their current going rates back in the day eithr. a few hundred max nothing today but plenty in the 50's and 1960's.
 

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I'll give it to you on the GPU sag, but his wires are beautiful compared to whatever I'll be turning in once I get this system up and running. I'm already doing "cable management" and it'll be great once I get all the fan headers hooked up! Not even bothering with the ARGB crap. The backpanel is so cluttered thanks to that nonsense. Thanks MSI.
You can still make it look good even with RGB crap. It helps having the right RGB crap though!

 

DrMrLordX

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You can still make it look good even with RGB crap. It helps having the right RGB crap though!
MSI did some pre-routing of cables on their Velox 100R case which was kind of nice, but the ARGB stuff included with the fans, plus the controller, is just all in the way. So if you don't absolutely want that feature, it's really quite an impediment.
 

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MSI did some pre-routing of cables on their Velox 100R case which was kind of nice, but the ARGB stuff included with the fans, plus the controller, is just all in the way. So if you don't absolutely want that feature, it's really quite an impediment.
Yeah, fans that have cables for both fan and RGB for each fan would be much more difficult to contain. I purposely went with the Lian Li fans for this reason. One cable for each set of fans. Believe it or not there are 2 controllers in that picture, both are held inside the top hard drive cage.
 

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Yeah, fans that have cables for both fan and RGB for each fan would be much more difficult to contain. I purposely went with the Lian Li fans for this reason. One cable for each set of fans. Believe it or not there are 2 controllers in that picture, both are held inside the top hard drive cage.
Mine's just sort of jammed into the backside of the motherboard tray.
 

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no those are only for data on the back plane. there is hdmi out. and it looks like all x670 boards are getting a bios update to rcontrol voltages.
 

JoeRambo

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22W at "idle". Keep in mind this is with HWiNFO64 itself using anywhere from 0.3%-0.6% of CPU time per task manager so true idle likely a smidge lower.

Damn that's horrible, 20W more than it should be. Are Package C6 still broken in latest AGESA ? On my 7950x machines, that's the typical sight:


Amd really needs to work on idle power, no excuses to burn order of magnitude more power than Intel on idle.
 

biostud

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What can you actually believe when reading power consumption?

I bought a power meter to measure at the wall and at idle it measures 90W, but the Radeon control panel says 4W/CPU 22W/GPU, so either the rest of the components are drawing a lot of power, or something is not reporting correctly.
 

JoeRambo

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I bought a power meter to measure at the wall and at idle it measures 90W, but the Radeon control panel says 4W/CPU 22W/GPU, so either the rest of the components are drawing a lot of power, or something is not reporting correctly.

Depends on what and how many of other components are in tho. And due to PSU inherent inneficiency at low loads it will get inflated even more at the wall.

But changing CPU load correlates with wall in rather straightforward way and AMD really dropped the ball here. It is actually getting worse with each AGESA and i have stopped updating.
 

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What can you actually believe when reading power consumption?

I bought a power meter to measure at the wall and at idle it measures 90W, but the Radeon control panel says 4W/CPU 22W/GPU, so either the rest of the components are drawing a lot of power, or something is not reporting correctly.
Hardware readings preferred. System power consumption. Like for like.

Software readings themselves like hwinfo64 knock your CPU out of C6 (low power) state, adding a finger to the scale.

In my case, the CPU cores themselves will idle sub 0.3W but SOC/IOD/IF/iGPU/etc still take north of 15W as measured by hwinfo64. The inevitable tradeoff with chiplet designs vs monolithic.

Then you add 2x X670 chipsets (for my X670E board)
Mobo VRM losses
AIO water cooler + 5 case fans
GPU + GPU memory + GPU VRM losses
m.2 x3 + SATA SSD x2
PSU conversion losses (120V, 80+ Platinum rated)
Etc.

You end up with a power consumption at idle that is not at all impressive. (Versus AMD monolithic APUs which are optimized for power efficiency and are great on battery power in laptops):

System Idle power consumption comparison

True idle being better would be nice but if I want true idle my machine is powered off... so my typical usage looks more like this versus having the flagship CPU from the competitor:
 
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