That's coz DDR5 itself is confusing. I have a EXPO DDR5 kit with a JEDEC 5600 profile and it refuses to run any faster than 4600 on my Z790/12700K. I think coz it's got lame Samsung memory chips. Training also happens on Intel side. For me, it takes around 40 seconds to boot. First time training was almost 100 seconds or more. But if I were to install two more sticks, the first time training may take up to 3 minutes or more and subsequent ones may go over one minute. Some mobo makers have put stickers on their RAM slots telling users to expect up to 7 minutes of staring at a blank screen while the mobo trains 4 sticks of DDR5. It's stupid.I'm finding am5 very confusing as someone who's been casually following it since launch but most surprising is people managing to run 6000mt/s on 4 sticks without issues while others can't run 2 sticks at 5600 without issues.
it may be. are you running 4 or 2 sticks, Igor? Can you please post the model number of the ram you are using for us? I concur with mr aorus here that I've heard the same about certain lower end dies from samsung or micron.That's coz DDR5 itself is confusing. I have a EXPO DDR5 kit with a JEDEC 5600 profile and it refuses to run any faster than 4600 on my Z790/12700K. I think coz it's got lame Samsung memory chips. Training also happens on Intel side. For me, it takes around 40 seconds to boot. First time training was almost 100 seconds or more. But if I were to install two more sticks, the first time training may take up to 3 minutes or more and subsequent ones may go over one minute. Some mobo makers have put stickers on their RAM slots telling users to expect up to 7 minutes of staring at a blank screen while the mobo trains 4 sticks of DDR5. It's stupid.
DDR5 systems may require training
A small number of DDR5 systems and motherboards require a period of "training" newly installed memory to work with the system and allow access to the UEFI, or otherwise to complete the system's power-on self-test (POST).www.crucial.com
But I also experienced this training thing with ASUS H610M mobo with DDR4 where the screen was blank for more than 30 seconds and I was like, what did I do wrong???
I've updated last night, and I could enable EXPO and PBO and context restore, and so far everything runs as it should.Was it successful?
do some fresh boots every few hours if possible, push the system some. I've seen a scant amount of posts suggesting what seems to be working ends up not working. random surprises inbound for some but have read multiple reports saying everything was okay. I'm still committed to running multiple amd r9s myself after seeing my powerbill this past week........I've updated last night, and I could enable EXPO and PBO and context restore, and so far everything runs as it should.
I usually don't use my computer more than 2—4 hours in row. But yes I can't say it's 100% stable until I've actually used the computer. Last night I prepared my old one, so I could sell it to a colleague.do some fresh boots every few hours if possible, push the system some. I've seen a scant amount of posts suggesting what seems to be working ends up not working. random surprises inbound for some but have read multiple reports saying everything was okay. I'm still committed to running multiple amd r9s myself after seeing my powerbill this past week........
oh that certainly ruins how i imagined you to be. the specificity of how things should be done like the great patrick bateman but as an audiophile and not a killer, sitting there listening to his flac on a high end speaker system or headphones with an nice sound card and external amp to boos the signal, maybe a sandwich of pickled herring on the side.I usually don't use my computer more than 2—4 hours in row. But yes I can't say it's 100% stable until I've actually used the computer. Last night I prepared my old one, so I could sell it to a colleague.
oh that certainly ruins how i imagined you to be. the specificity of how things should be done like the great patrick bateman but as an audiophile and not a killer, sitting there listening to his flac on a high end speaker system or headphones with an nice sound card and external amp to boos the signal, maybe a sandwich of pickled herring on the side.
i love the honey mustard stuff myself. nice sprinkle of fresh minced dill makes it a 10 out of 10.
I love it. I use thick gauge fishing wire myself. I don't fish at all but bought a roll of the stuff years ago to do dirty tying in cases including case fans if I've not got the proper long screws for it. Much like the ties the fishing wires are okay in hot and cold environments but still degrade from uv light. when I used to watercool as you'd know it was all done externally in the way past times and for anyone who used zip ties or fishing wire you would have to change it out every so often depending on where you lives and if natural light was hitting the used ties from a window that was unshaded aka blaring sunlight. I learned this the hard way with some water damage years ago in another home. there's uv resistant zip ties now but no one was putting two and two together then. I had the same issue years later in that house's garden with things toppling over or falling down and breaking. by then the community had figured it out. those more expensive zip ties were worth the money. this is why i nearly died of laughter when msi or asus put out their retention clip for the 3090 ti. It's .10c of material or less.View attachment 80097
How do you like my tripple zip tie anti sagging mod?
I would describe myself as very pragmatic. If it works it works, but I do like quality equipment for the things I enjoy. I've never regretted investing in good audio, photo, kitchen equipment , tools etc.
And you really have to wonder why they don’t use triple screw fasteners on these large cards.I love it. I use thick gauge fishing wire myself. I don't fish at all but bought a roll of the stuff years ago to do dirty tying in cases including case fans if I've not got the proper long screws for it. Much like the ties the fishing wires are okay in hot and cold environments but still degrade from uv light. when I used to watercool as you'd know it was all done externally in the way past times and for anyone who used zip ties or fishing wire you would have to change it out every so often depending on where you lives and if natural light was hitting the used ties from a window that was unshaded aka blaring sunlight. I learned this the hard way with some water damage years ago in another home. there's uv resistant zip ties now but no one was putting two and two together then. I had the same issue years later in that house's garden with things toppling over or falling down and breaking. by then the community had figured it out. those more expensive zip ties were worth the money. this is why i nearly died of laughter when msi or asus put out their retention clip for the 3090 ti. It's .10c of material or less.
Yes but also the mobo side needs to be strong and well connected to the frame of the card. a non conductive lighweight metal frame for the car well connected to the backplate would elliminate flex or sagging to a large degree and reduce stress on the pciex16 slot. why is $$$$ aibs are too cheap to spend an extra 10 to 20 per card making it strong. my perception of time isn't good but i know this was found to be the reason of cracked boards this past year for video cards or cracked dies or memory.And you really have to wonder why they don’t use triple screw fasteners on these large cards.
The PCIe slot does say "steel reinforced" and usage of "surface mount technology" for better strength, but if it holds merits or is just marketing...Yes but also the mobo side needs to be strong and well connected to the frame of the card. a non conductive lighweight metal frame for the car well connected to the backplate would elliminate flex or sagging to a large degree and reduce stress on the pciex16 slot. why is $$$$ aibs are too cheap to spend an extra 10 to 20 per card making it strong. my perception of time isn't good but i know this was found to be the reason of cracked boards this past year for video cards or cracked dies or memory.
edit: It may have been from the gpu section in an older thread. but yes when cards weight several kilos now you must really ask what drugs the engineers at aibs are on before they slap those grotesque graphic decals on their equally hideous cards.
It will help some but not too much. You can still break it if you drop a heavy enough hsf on it while the card is deployed. how the card's cooler is made and how the rear io bracket is attached tot he card will matter when it comes to flex or not. good cards will have their hsf unit butting against the rear io panel and the panel being wedged in there. your flex is coming from the rear corner outward, not the edge. the majority of the weight is towards the pcb side, not what's hanging at the corner edge.The PCIe slot does say "steel reinforced" and usage of "surface mount technology" for better strength, but if it holds merits or is just marketing...
Only two sticks. I have this: https://www.gskill.com/specification/165/396/1662622737/F5-5600J3636C16GX2-FX5-Specificationit may be. are you running 4 or 2 sticks, Igor? Can you please post the model number of the ram you are using for us? I concur with mr aorus here that I've heard the same about certain lower end dies from samsung or micron.
Buy one already!I'm still committed to running multiple amd r9s myself after seeing my powerbill this past week........
What motherboard are you using again?? I have a MSI X670e Carbon with 7950x and a Gigabyte X670 non E Aorus Elite with a 7700x and both run with 4 x16gb sticks of G.skill Flare X 5600 and 6000 using Expo settings. Have you tried updating the bios to the most recent version?? Maybe try bumping the voltage up from 1.2v to 1.25 ? I have seen a few youtube video where some users had to do such a thing.That's coz DDR5 itself is confusing. I have a EXPO DDR5 kit with a JEDEC 5600 profile and it refuses to run any faster than 4600 on my Z790/12700K. I think coz it's got lame Samsung memory chips. Training also happens on Intel side. For me, it takes around 40 seconds to boot. First time training was almost 100 seconds or more. But if I were to install two more sticks, the first time training may take up to 3 minutes or more and subsequent ones may go over one minute. Some mobo makers have put stickers on their RAM slots telling users to expect up to 7 minutes of staring at a blank screen while the mobo trains 4 sticks of DDR5. It's stupid.
DDR5 systems may require training
A small number of DDR5 systems and motherboards require a period of "training" newly installed memory to work with the system and allow access to the UEFI, or otherwise to complete the system's power-on self-test (POST).www.crucial.com
But I also experienced this training thing with ASUS H610M mobo with DDR4 where the screen was blank for more than 30 seconds and I was like, what did I do wrong???
I don't have the free space to build it. Half the house is covered in thick layers of dust and wrapped off, and I'd still need to test long term and unload the current intels. First r9 should come online by end of June or mid july with a 2-3 week intensive stability testing. I've spent most of my time sifting my current soil and removing junk which was common to bury decades ago. 5 tons of top soil need to be ordered by end of July, aged steer compost will come after summer to not piss off my neighbours with the stench. It's aged but there's still a eye watering smell of dung. I'm in the process of ordering some custom built vermiculture bins and scoping out some fancier composters in addition to an open wood bin for slower composting. I'll be buying a 60 gallon trash bins and planting them into the ground to be compost bins that'll work throught he winter due to ground insulation for the bottom half. Those will get questionable compost such as citrus and alliums which wigglers do not like. I run these through a cheap enough wood chipper to grind them into pulp which breaks them down faster.Buy one already!
Alder Lake's IMC and the Z690 chipset aren't good for RAM.Makes me wonder what is it about the chips on these sticks that Alder Lake doesn't like.
Asrock Z790 Sonic with i7-12700KWhat motherboard are you using again??
How about this for $3149.99 with 7950X? https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/gam.../alienware-aurora-r15-amd-desktop/wdr15amd40hI don't have the free space to build it.
No prebuilts, I don't want to hang onto a service contract and wait for an rma if something goes wrong and the botique builders think they're moving Colombian marching powder.How about this for $3149.99 with 7950X? https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/gam.../alienware-aurora-r15-amd-desktop/wdr15amd40h
You can sell the 6900 XT for $550-600 and rely on the onboard graphics.
You can even skip the stability testing and get right down to production workloads. Dell PCs are rock solid stable, at least based on my experience.