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My plan is to see how this runs with case/cooler. If temps are good I might swap the 9900X for a 9950X.
9950X isn't gonna run crazy hot. You can run it in ECO mode and still reap great performance. Should go directly for 9950X.
 
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Should go directly for 9950X.
It also gives you the flexibility to unlock more performance in future by opting for a liquid cooler.

16 threads able to mingle together on the same CCD is a lot better than 12. Any workload exceeding 12 threads will be forced to suffer the inter CCD latency.
 

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It also gives you the flexibility to unlock more performance in future by opting for a liquid cooler.

16 threads able to mingle together on the same CCD is a lot better than 12. Any workload exceeding 12 threads will be forced to suffer the inter CCD latency.
That makes sense. I think I'll just to 9950X. Thanks.
 
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9950X isn't gonna run crazy hot. You can run it in ECO mode and still reap great performance. Should go directly for 9950X.
It also gives you the flexibility to unlock more performance in future by opting for a liquid cooler.
...or for a dual-tower style air cooler, if the computer case has the necessary space...?

(NH-D15S for example works nicely for me even at ≈250 W socket power consumption. Although my experience is with lower clocked older server CPUs. However, while Ryzen has got higher clocks which make hot spot temperatures more of a consideration, my understanding is that Ryzen 9000 was improved over Ryzen 7000 in this regard.)
 
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I bought the AM5 motherboard so I am officially moving to AMD after 30+ years of Intel. Thanks for all of the advice.

As you like to keep your CPUs tuned to be efficent, I really suggest you look into PBO + Curve Optimizer (negative offset) which is the most efficient undervolting you can do on Zen 5.

Here is a good layman's introduction to PBO + negative offset Curve Optimizer. The video is about Zen 4 but it's similar with Zen 5 just with even more options. It goes through the basics, the most important BIOS options including the power limit and voltage limit (PPT):

Here is a bit more technical overview of the undervolting options on Zen 5 (Curve Optimizer + Curve Shaper) The Curve Shaper is" the new kid on the block" for Zen 5.

He has a different video on the subject, but it's best to be already familiar with the other PBO options:

With Curve Shaper you can make higher negative offsets stable than before (as they would previously crash when idle or at light loads, due as the voltage was too low.

The video mentions this, but I'll still reiterate. Bare in mind one of your CCDs is binned for max clocks, the other one for efficiency, so the optimal curves for both will differ! That means don't try all core offsets, rather do at least CCD (or per core, if you have the patience).


So to recap. With PBO you'll get to the set the max allowed voltage, amperage and temperature for your CPU and let it boost to the optimal clocks for each workload within those constraints You don't put arbitrary limits but tune the entire Voltage/Frequency curve. "ECO mode" is nothing different. It actually sets the same PPT/EDC/TDC values. I wrote about it here:

So you can limit the CPU to any wattage you like. With these (and good cooling) you can really tune the CPU to sip power and still run fast (in all likelyhood faster than stock).

My 5800X3D for instance has done stable -30 offset for all cores a little over 2 years by now. And it made a hell of a difference. Out of the box it's straight up to 95 degrees with all core loads (e.g cinebench). With PBO It actually runs 100-150 Mhz higher (all core) and only jumps to ~79 degrees slowly going up to 86-87 on long stress-test runs. While gaming the CPU power draw can be as low as 50-60W (at 4.5 Ghz)
 
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Ordered my ram. https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-ddr5-6000/p/N82E16820374614?Item=N82E16820374614
I checked and it's supported by all the boards I'm still considering.

Right now it's between the Asus Rog Stix and Gigabyte pro ice. Which I know are overpriced for a 9800+3D gaming build, but god dangit, I'm a slave to wanting that white rgb crack... I did consider the older gigabyte 650 board for $200 instead but the sickly off color eggshell white turned me off from it. I don't mind the price too much because if my current board is any indication, I could have this thing for 6 years before starting from scratch. In any case, I'm in the home stretch.

My 7900XT arrived. Even in my old system it made FF16 go from unplayable to very playable instantly. My 8gb 3070 choked on this game as apparently it gobbled up over 17gb of vram now that it has 20gb to pull from. On the other hand, my FF14 fps remained completely identical to my 3070 despite still only hovering around the 40-45fps average with lots microdips stuttering inbetween. I tried raising graphic settings and fps stayed the same... CPU bottleneck. I never bothered overclocking my intel 9600k all these years because I was scared of overclocking and figured it wouldn't make a big difference at 4k resolution. But boy was I wrong. I spent a couple hours learning about overclocking and pushed my 9600k to 5ghz and suddenly that was the thing that improved my FF14 performance to 56fps average. FML. I think the CPU is holding back FF16 too because it's only utilizing 70 ish percent of the 7900XT despite not even a 4090 being enough to run this game at 4k 60fps ultra without dlss. Hurry up, Amazon. I really don't want to wait until Dec 20th to get my 9800X3D. It's long overdue!
 

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Upgrade went without a hitch.

Shut down. Removed AIO heatsink, cleaned off old TG Hydronaut.
Removed 7800X3D, removed stock ILM.
Installed 9800X3D, installed Thermalright AM5 safety frame.
Put fresh application of TG Hydronaut. Installed AIO heatsink again.

Didn't even reinstall Windows. 100.5 BCLK (so I don't ever see under 6000 on memory), 2067 FCLK, PBO +200 with ECO mode to 105W.
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What is the max PPT it hits under 105W Eco mode? Say during Cinebench MT.
 

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So i'm back from work and have had some time to test ASUS's new "Core Tunings Config for Gaming" feature
Results are a little of a mixed bag

I flashed from bios 2505 @ agesa 1.2.02A to bios 2604 @ agesa 1.2.02B and configured my known to be fully stable 8200/2233 memory-profile

Some general observations:
  • "Core Tunings Config for Gaming" AUTO = legacy mode *edit* Getting different feedback from ppl reporting auto = level 1/2 for them, dont know why its different
  • Aida is getting less read and higher copy, while write stays the same, compared to agesa 1.2.02A

AIDA64 latency results:
  • AUTO (legacy) = getting the best latency in aida as expected
  • Level 1 = same aida latency as 1.2.02A
  • Level 2 = same aida latency as "level 1"

Clams cache/memory benchnark:
  • AUTO (legacy) = scoring the same as older agesa 1.2.0.0
  • Level 1 = scoring the same as older agesa 1.2.0.0
  • Level 2 = = scoring the same as agesa 1.2.0.0A (highest numbers)

Karhu mb/s:
  • AUTO (legacy) = getting the least mb/s
  • Level 1 = setting a new high, have never seen upwards 256mb/s max numbers in only 3 min runtime
  • Level 2 = the same as agesa 1.2.0.0A

So each of these different settings have their own strong suit.. And we are back to ppl have to test their specific game/benchmark to decide whats best for them in their application -> there are no universal answer for "best settings"

Core Tunings Config for Gaming = AUTO (legacy)



Core Tunings Config for Gaming = Level 1



Core Tunings Config for Gaming = Level2
 
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Does any one of you have actual experience running 9900X or 9950X rigs (24/7 "gamer" stable) with 128GB or 192GB of memory?

There is some info out there, but it's quite fragmented, like this thread:

Or this.


So are my assumptions correct that for doing actual work 96GB is the practical limit? It seems 96GB with 2 dual rank DIMMs is the only thing that's reasonably stable and can even use EXPO with minimal fanfare.

With 4 dual rank dimms one's only (semi-) guaranteed 3600 MT/s, right? Anything higher is not guaranteed and would mean 10+ minute training times on boot and hours of tedious testing using custom timings?

Has anyone actually tried it, or has some extra info to share?
 
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Has anyone actually tried it, or has some extra info to share?
I've read from online user experiences that Ryzens handle four populated slots with higher speeds than Intel. With Intel, don't be surprised to see all four slots working at 3600 MT/s, unless you have some expensive mobo.
 

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Does any one of you have actual experience running 9900X or 9950X rigs (24/7 "gamer" stable) with 128GB or 192GB of memory?

There is some info out there, but it's quite fragmented, like this thread:

Or this.


So are my assumptions correct that for doing actual work 96GB is the practical limit? It seems 96GB with 2 dual rank DIMMs is the only thing that's reasonably stable and can even use EXPO with minimal fanfare.

With 4 dual rank dimms one's only (semi-) guaranteed 3600 MT/s, right? Anything higher is not guaranteed and would mean 10+ minute training times on boot and hours of tedious testing using custom timings?

Has anyone actually tried it, or has some extra info to share?
No personal experience, but someone I know has 4x48GB dimms on a 7950X3D and spent a long time just getting it to run at 4100MT/s. No idea about training times, I'd expect MCR would help here.
 
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Does any one of you have actual experience running 9900X or 9950X rigs (24/7 "gamer" stable) with 128GB or 192GB of memory?

There is some info out there, but it's quite fragmented, like this thread:

Or this.


So are my assumptions correct that for doing actual work 96GB is the practical limit? It seems 96GB with 2 dual rank DIMMs is the only thing that's reasonably stable and can even use EXPO with minimal fanfare.

With 4 dual rank dimms one's only (semi-) guaranteed 3600 MT/s, right? Anything higher is not guaranteed and would mean 10+ minute training times on boot and hours of tedious testing using custom timings?

Has anyone actually tried it, or has some extra info to share?

I have one remote member of dev team who just a week ago switched to 9950X + 192GB DDR5 6400. I promised him to help with setting up memory, just have to find time to do vid call and guide him (imagine a user who never seen a BIOS) to set timings manually, not a 5 min job!!
So far I just tried EXPO and it failed to boot (no surprise there).

I will report back as soon as I find will to do that video call ...
 
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I have one remote member of dev team who just a week ago switched to 9950X + 192GB DDR5 6400.
Just ask him to send a video of the BIOS settings and then guide him to start from DDR5-3200. That should work. Then he just works his way up until it doesn't POST and he has to settle on the previous working setting.
 
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Just a tip, auto voltages for low MT/s speeds are tuned for 2x16GB and 2x24GB memory sizes, something that probably won't work well for these large memory amounts we talk about here -> could very well be limited to very low speeds such as 3200MT/s speeds talked about above here when running auto voltages

Just as a guessimate, i would manual configure the following voltages as a baseline, before i start working on timings and up'ing memoryspeed

VSOC @ 1.2-1.3v
CLDO_VDDIO @ 1.15
CPU VDDIO @ 1.435v
 
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