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Gideon

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VSOC @ 1.2-1.3v
CLDO_VDDIO @ 1.15
CPU VDDIO @ 1.435v
These seem relatively high. I know all OC is "nothing is guaranteed" but at what voltages can one expect serious degradation?
 

Win2012R2

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Apologies for a very naive question, but does anybody know (ideally actually tried) to install Windows Server 2012 R2 on Turin ideally or failing that consumer on Zen 5, did that work?
 
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Apologies for a very naive question, but does anybody know (ideally actually tried) to install Windows Server 2012 R2 on Turin ideally or failing that consumer on Zen 5, did that work?

Server 2019 supports Epyc 9000 series so it will work with Zen 4 and maybe even 5. Before that, I guess hard to know without trying.
 

Win2012R2

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Server 2019 supports Epyc 9000 series so it will work with Zen 4 and maybe even 5. Before that, I guess hard to know without trying.

It sure does (as it's still in support window), but it also has got per-core pricing (no thanks!), where as good old Win2012R2 is licensed by the socket (as things ought to be for OSes)


If anybody got access to released Turin and half an hour of time to try this install then I'd be happy to pay some mutually agreed amount for the effort - I am wondering if it will refuse to install (seems unlikely) or just install but claim unknown generic CPU (which might be fine).
 

In2Photos

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It sure does (as it's still in support window), but it also has got per-core pricing (no thanks!), where as good old Win2012R2 is licensed by the socket (as things ought to be for OSes)


If anybody got access to released Turin and half an hour of time to try this install then I'd be happy to pay some mutually agreed amount for the effort - I am wondering if it will refuse to install (seems unlikely) or just install but claim unknown generic CPU (which might be fine).
There is a separate turin thread that you may want to watch or post in, but I don't think anyone here has a working one yet. Markfw is trying, but so far the motherboards don't like his ES CPU.

 
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Markfw

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There is a separate turin thread that you may want to watch or post in, but I don't think anyone here has a working one yet. Markfw is trying, but so far the motherboards don't like his ES CPU.

Exactly. The Gigabyte that advertised it was Turin compatible did nothing, not one single screen, like it was dead. The supermicro boots into BMC, but no bios post screen of any kind. Asrocking coming today, but the PSU for it (its a strange setup) comes Sunday, so we will see. I don't have $8000 for a retail Turin. I don't get Data center discounts.
 

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Does any one of you have actual experience running 9900X or 9950X rigs (24/7 "gamer" stable) with 128GB or 192GB of memory?

There is some info out there, but it's quite fragmented, like this thread:

Or this.


So are my assumptions correct that for doing actual work 96GB is the practical limit? It seems 96GB with 2 dual rank DIMMs is the only thing that's reasonably stable and can even use EXPO with minimal fanfare.

With 4 dual rank dimms one's only (semi-) guaranteed 3600 MT/s, right? Anything higher is not guaranteed and would mean 10+ minute training times on boot and hours of tedious testing using custom timings?

Has anyone actually tried it, or has some extra info to share?
No, but 2x48GB of DDR5-6400 with Hynix easily runs 6000 CL28 without difficulty. I don't have anything that would exceed 96GB. Yet. That's Threadripper territory anyways...
 

IEC

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What is the max PPT it hits under 105W Eco mode? Say during Cinebench MT.

Max PPT hits 142W under 105W ECO mode. If you do manual PBO you can set PPT to 105W and it will stay at 105W if you prefer.

As you can see, I am not significantly limited even at 142W PPT due to my 280mm Arctic Liquid Freezer II CLC.
 

StefanR5R

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Max PPT hits 142W under 105W ECO mode. If you do manual PBO you can set PPT to 105W and it will stay at 105W if you prefer.
Does anybody happen to know if A620 boards offer an explicit PPT setting in their BIOSes? (ASRock and/or ASUS specifically; on my watch list as they have ECC memory support…)
 

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So i'm back from work and have had some time to test ASUS's new "Core Tunings Config for Gaming" feature
Results are a little of a mixed bag

I flashed from bios 2505 @ agesa 1.2.02A to bios 2604 @ agesa 1.2.02B and configured my known to be fully stable 8200/2233 memory-profile

Some general observations:
  • "Core Tunings Config for Gaming" AUTO = legacy mode *edit* Getting different feedback from ppl reporting auto = level 1/2 for them, dont know why its different
  • Aida is getting less read and higher copy, while write stays the same, compared to agesa 1.2.02A

AIDA64 latency results:
  • AUTO (legacy) = getting the best latency in aida as expected
  • Level 1 = same aida latency as 1.2.02A
  • Level 2 = same aida latency as "level 1"

Clams cache/memory benchnark:
  • AUTO (legacy) = scoring the same as older agesa 1.2.0.0
  • Level 1 = scoring the same as older agesa 1.2.0.0
  • Level 2 = = scoring the same as agesa 1.2.0.0A (highest numbers)

Karhu mb/s:
  • AUTO (legacy) = getting the least mb/s
  • Level 1 = setting a new high, have never seen upwards 256mb/s max numbers in only 3 min runtime
  • Level 2 = the same as agesa 1.2.0.0A

So each of these different settings have their own strong suit.. And we are back to ppl have to test their specific game/benchmark to decide whats best for them in their application -> there are no universal answer for "best settings"

Core Tunings Config for Gaming = AUTO (legacy)
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Core Tunings Config for Gaming = Level 1
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Core Tunings Config for Gaming = Level2
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StefanR5R

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I actually did RTFM before asking. :-) Unfortunately, this is a combined X670/B650/A620/A620A manual, and it is not evident to me whether or not all of the options described (here: AMD CBS options) are available on A620 boards too.

[E.g. "Secondary PROM21 Chipset" options only apply at X670 boards, obviously, without the manual explicitly saying so.]
 
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I actually did RTFM before asking. :-) Unfortunately, this is a combined X670/B650/A620/A620A manual, and it is not evident to me whether or not all of the options described (here: AMD CBS options) are available on A620 boards too.
The option should be available otherwise they should have a disclaimer saying that not all options are available on all mobos. I think ASROCK is generally more trustworthy when it comes to these things. I personally don't think anyone here would go for A620. There's apparently a stigma attached to it as being so cheap it's crap, at least as far as mobo VRMs are concerned.
 

StefanR5R

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And yet ASUS for example has got A620 boards with S/PDIF header, and same-series B650 boards without. It's weird.

Edit, WRT VRMs, my use case of the PPT limit setting in the BIOS would be to lower it from the default, not to raise it. :-)
 

StefanR5R

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– Finer granularity than eco mode on/off would be nice.
– If Ryzen Master offers eco mode on A620 boards, then the BIOS might too.
– No Ryzen Master on Linux.
 

MadRat

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Why would it be Windows dependent? I would assume its just an interface that indirectly speaks to the BIOS variables.
 

StefanR5R

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AFAIU it pokes some device registers (MSRs), which can be done in Linux too indeed. Whoever wants to implement this needs respective documentation for each CPU model which is meant to be supported. I don't know under which terms this documentation is available and how good it is.
 

AdamK47

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Found daily settings for my 9800X3D after a month of tuning.

PBO enabled, +200 clock offset, 10X scalar, -10 all core CO, 100MHz/102MHz asynchronous ECLK for 5533MHz max boost, 2200MHz FCLK, and 64GB dual rank DDR5 at 6200 MT/s - 28-36-34-30 with heavily tuned secondary/tertiary timings.

Spent several days running stress tests. Prime95 SSE/AVX, Y-Cruncher, AIDA64 Stress Test, TM5, OCCT, Core Cycler, Linpack Extreme, and looping various 3DMark demos overnight. It's solid.
 
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phillyman36

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What chipset version are you all using? Asus website last chipset was put up 11/5 ver 6.10.22.027. Amd website for the chipset software was updated 12/5 but doesnt give me a version number anywhere.
 

Sonikku

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Guys, noob question here. I have the Corsair RMX RM850x and on the back it says 6+2 PCIe & 4+4 CPU. They're both 8 pin. But I didn't think the "and" means to be read as all the 8 pin connectors can be used interchangeably between the motherboard and the video card. But that only the 4+4 can be used for the motherboard's CPU connectors and only the 6+2 goes to the video card, correct?

Also, I think I have enough of each for the two 8 pin cpu connectors my new ASUS 870 board has (my z390 MSI gaming board only ever needed one 8 pin for the cpu) plus the two 6+2 connectors my 7900XT will need, but would the power supply have the gpu connectors for a three cable GPU like the 7900XTX requires or the singular plug a potential 5080 might need?
 

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