Yes, RMB's getting into cheaper stuff those days tho.When you figure the AMD competition is really Cezanne - Raptor Lake is not that bad.
1080p AAA is not the way to benchmark CPUs for gaming perf but I digress.TIL I learned a 1% lead is vaporizing the competition.
200-300 MHz would have been enough for Zen 3 to somewhat tie Alder Lake, it would prevented Pat from making his "rear-view mirror" comment.
ughhh no.
It didn't tie ADL-S, it vaporized it, lmao.
what.
The client decline is all laptops since channel was stuffed with garbage.
It did, to get any mileage out of S881 in gaming you had to have rather expensive (by then) fast DDR5 kits.I don't think Zen 3 x3d vaporized ADL
The client MSS is all about laptop.When AMD lost the Halo effect, AMD meant nothing special anymore, then Intel could get away with it.
Fall of 2021 is when AMD dropped the ball. Sacrificed client for gains in server.
Zen 3 x3d was sacrificed in favor of Milan-X. Milan-X was just a nice bonus in market where AMD already had a good lead.
In the meantime, Zen 3 x3d in desktop meant everything. Also a new N6 stepping meant everything.
Now follow the trajectory from start of 2022. AMD gained almost nothing in server and lost 66% of client.
Well it literally whacks everything Intel pre-LNL in terms of battery life around.what is the point of paying premium for Rembrandt notebook?
That was all talks to fool the gullibe, in MT the 5950X at its stock 142W PPT is roughly 8% faster than the 12900K@241W.
I say roughly because Computerbase average use both CB R20 and R23 as well as Povray wich doesnt enable AVX2 for AMD CPUs, otherwise they would perform 18% better in this app.
Intel Core i9-14900K, i7-14700K & i5-14600K im Test: Anwendungs-Benchmarks
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DIY desktop is rounding error volumes.
Very dinosaur market; high barriers to entry with relatively low upsides.But OEM desktop is not
It did, to get any mileage out of S881 in gaming you had to have rather expensive (by then) fast DDR5 kits.
Just not viable.
The client MSS is all about laptop.
DIY desktop is rounding error volumes.
Well it literally whacks everything Intel pre-LNL in terms of battery life around.
Thinkpad Z13 with low power IPS is quite literally unreachable levels of battery life and it's been like a year since it launched.
You are slipping dude! 🤣wasting time on absolutely irrelevant products is not how AMD operates.
I misread that for a moment as you saying Raptor Lake is > Cezanne and was about to go Hulk mode. 🤣When you figure the AMD competition is really Cezanne - Raptor Lake is not that bad.
Very dinosaur market; high barriers to entry with relatively low upsides.
It was esentially a tie in MT from 3Dcenter Meta Reviews, in MT the 5950X at its stock 142W PPT is roughly 8% faster than the 12900K@241W.
Idk if you're talking about just gaming perf or like "overall", but in gaming RKL = Zen 3. If it was overall, then ye Zen 3 roasts RKLZen 3 > Rocket Lake
Even if this was overall, I would argue RPL>Zen 4. ST is a bigger priority than the efficiency advantage vs Zen 4, at least in DIY.Zen 4 = Raptor Lake
Since when did you care about the costs to the lowly DIY consumer, don't you have a hate boner for the general DIY space cuz they don't pay mommy Lisa the big bucks? 🤣It did, to get any mileage out of S881 in gaming you had to have rather expensive (by then) fast DDR5 kits.
Just not viable.
Eh, idk. That's more of just how much mindshare Intel has with the general public with marketing and longevity, not really how good it's doing in desktop. Having better perf in desktop helps, for sure, but Intel is seen as the "premium" and "reliable" option for just regular people for way more reasons than just "high performance".I agree. But it is the desktop where you gain the Halo effect, and notebooks where you cash in on it.
Not for 16C/32T and 16C/24T CPUs, that may be the case with low core count CPUs but even in this segment a 10% difference in ST perf is negligible, it s not as if Intel advantage in this metric was huge, but marketing drums were indeed beaten at full tilt, that may explain your perception.Single thread performance is what is relevant to client.
No.But it is the desktop where you gain the Halo effect, and notebooks where you cash in on it.
They buy a laptop; AMD/Intel whatever irrelevant.If AMD still had a Halo effect customers would ask for AMD notebook and would end up with very well-balanced Rembrandt notebook.
?You are slipping dude!
Thought he made it pretty clear he only cares about premium products, it's in line with his character arc lolYou are slipping dude! 🤣
The cope is wildNot for 16C/32T and 16C/24T CPUs, that may be the case with low core count CPUs but even in this segment a 10% difference in ST perf is negligible,
True, Intel marketing brainwashed me. You really redpilled me. 🤣but marketing drums were indeed beaten at full tilt, that may explain your perception.
Besides, the 12900k and 5950x esentially have the same MT perf, so ye, ST is the deciding factor.
True, Intel marketing brainwashed me. You really redpilled me. 🤣
There was literally no new information in that entire paragraph.5950X a little faster in MT but it use only 142W at most, the 12900K use 241W, if you need an additional heater in a cold country the latter has some advantage...
In ST the 12900K is not that faster, 18% better in Computerbase test, and that s with 3 tests using CB R20 and R23 as well as Povray wich doesnt use AVX2 for AMD, otherwise the 5950X would be 18% faster in this test, so overall the real number is close to 8-9% better ST perf, so yes, Intel marketing can dupe most people.
There was literally no new information in that entire paragraph.
If sales of Zen 4 is still decent, I am afraid AMD might reveal nothing about performance at CES. Well, Lisa might say exactly the same thing about Zen 5 as Zen 4, when at CES that year she said it was in their labs and looked good.Guees that it s quite a time that there isnt any, we ll have to wait for AMD spilling a few beans at CES in early 2023, in the waiting that s the same things that are rehashed ad nauseam, but if you have something credible and unknown to us that s welcome.
I'm talking about "no new information" in reference to the importance of ST perf over other metrics for DIY.Guees that it s quite a time that there isnt any, we ll have to wait for AMD spilling a few beans at CES in early 2023, in the waiting that s the same things that are rehashed ad nauseam, but if you have something credible and unknown to us that s welcome.
Based on rumors of 1H 2024 launch, is it too optimistic to hope that AMD will spill the beans on Zen 5 IPC uplift in a certain application (like Zen 4?) probablyI am afraid AMD might reveal nothing about performance at CES.
Eh, idk. That's more of just how much mindshare Intel has with the general public with marketing and longevity, not really how good it's doing in desktop. Having better perf in desktop helps, for sure, but Intel is seen as the "premium" and "reliable" option for just regular people for way more reasons than just "high performance".
Plus, I think even regular people are starting to catch on to the "wow Intel runs hot/consumes a lot of power" thing recently, prob in large part due to Apple and them moving away from Intel chips.
Ah, yes. The infamous ">15% single-thread uplift" from Computex 2022, that the footnote said was from a comparison to the 5950X in Cinebench R23, when the actual result was close to double that.Based on rumors of 1H 2024 launch, is it too optimistic to hope that AMD will spill the beans on Zen 5 IPC uplift in a certain application (like Zen 4?) probably
Mindshare in desktop DIY doesn't translate to the general public.The client revenue may be 10:1 notebook, but I think mindshare is 10:1 desktop. Which makes it 100x more important to gain mindshare in desktop. You can judge it by the number of computer hardware channels and their subscribers.
The people who wanted battery life and go to school left for Apple. To this day, I regret getting a gaming laptop rather than a mac. Should have just bought a lower end gaming pc and gotten a mac for school...The people who were religious about their notebooks have left for Apple.
🤣 Give us a baseline for Zen5 AMDAh, yes. The infamous ">15% single-thread uplift" from Computex 2022, that the footnote said was from a comparison to the 5950X in Cinebench R23, when the actual result was close to double that.
Surprised to see 12th gen >20% ahead of Zen 3 in this benchmark. Someone's been telling me it was only 8%... lolSpeaking of single-thread uplift, I was looking at Passmark scores, wondering where Zen 5 will land. I'm guessing around 5400.
At least you can show girls how big your...laptop isTo this day, I regret getting a gaming laptop rather than a mac.
If sales of Zen 4 is still decent, I am afraid AMD might reveal nothing about performance at CES. Well, Lisa might say exactly the same thing about Zen 5 as Zen 4, when at CES that year she said it was in their labs and looked good.
If CES wasn't so consumer focused, I would think they might want to reveal a server benchmark of Turin rather than reveal anything about Granite Ridge.