Ughhh, no.But it seems to me that Apple's (and probably Qualcomm's) approach (big L1, wide, low frequency) gives better power efficiency.
Ehhh I mean K7/8/10 had 64/64 3-cycle L1 caches.I've always wondered why neither Intel nor AMD embraced Apple's approach of letting high frequency target go and going wide with big caches
this is very wrong. X4 is not at all efficient compared to Coll.X4 is very close to Firestorm derivatives in IPC using very x86-style caches and at half the ROB size while being a match in efficiency.
Ughhh yea it is, see the new Dimensity.X4 is not at all efficient compared to Coll.
I've already posted about the X4 spec results in the ARM cortex thread. Have a look there.Ughhh yea it is, see the new Dimensity.
Dawg you're comparing different SoCs with different clk rates on prime cores.I've already posted about the X4 spec results in the ARM cortex thread. Have a look there.
This will heavily depend on the competitiveness of Intel4 vs. TSMC N4 and the resulting F/V curve for MTL.View attachment 88009
If Strix Point with 50% more cores is really 35% faster at ~45-55W than Phoenix, then It would mean ~21114–21896 points in CB R23.
That's 14-19% better than 6P+8C 13700H at 115W.
Even i9-13980HX with 8P+16E cores offers only 19478 points at 55W and 23766 points at 80W, so for a comparable score, It would need ~65W.
This doesn't look very good for MTL, which is limited to 6P+8E+2LE. I have to wonder at what power draw It can offer similar performance to Strix Point.
If you think Strix will win in ST, then I don't understand why you think MTL will be competitive in MT and especially at <50W. Don't forget that Strix has 50% more cores than Phoenix.This will heavily depend on the competitiveness of Intel4 vs. TSMC N4 and the resulting F/V curve for MTL.
I would expect MTL to be quite competitive in MT with reasonable wattages <50w, but Strix to be the winner in ST.
I am quite sure that Zen5 with its IPC improvements will beat the 5.1 GHz MTL in ST. But we don't know just how efficient both SoCs will turn out and how high their individual cores will clock in CB at 45w and below. It is not impossible for Intel with their 6+8+2 cores to beat AMD with 8+4. All around Strix nevertheless looks like the better product to me.If you think Strix will win in ST, then I don't understand why you think MTL will be competitive in MT and especially at <50W. Don't forget that Strix has 50% more cores than Phoenix.
Even If Intel 4 allowed 1/2 power consumption vs Intel 7, we are still talking about 17,217-18,270 point at 45-55W for 13700H.
MTL would need to gain another 15-20% to be on par with Strix Point.
Are you seriously comparing a pile of Atoms with Z5c?It is not impossible for Intel with their 6+8+2 cores to beat AMD with 8+4.
Then what are we supposed to do eh?Dawg you're comparing different SoCs with different clk rates on prime cores.
Do not. do. that.
It's a product-level comparison, not really a core-level one.
4 Z5, 8 Z5c, 8WGP RDNA3.5 and some AIE goodness.How many CPU cores and GPU core?
Yea that's the issue, they all do different things.The testing results will always depend on the implementation by the vendor.
MTL to beat Strix Point at comparable TDP? I'm pretty sure It's impossible from the rumours about MTL.I am quite sure that Zen5 with its IPC improvements will beat the 5.1 GHz MTL in ST. But we don't know just how efficient both SoCs will turn out and how high their individual cores will clock in CB at 45w and below. It is not impossible for Intel with their 6+8+2 cores to beat AMD with 8+4. All around Strix nevertheless looks like the better product to me.
Where to gain that performance? Frequency was already used up by me and IPC gain at least for P cores looks like zero. That leaves us with those 2 extra E-cores, which at best would provide 10% higher score, and I am not even sure they actively can help during tests.
No one outside of QC knows how their chip performs in the real worldBut will Strix Point outperform Snapdragon X Elite?
I bet adroc or his buddies know. Of course, he would rather tease us with breadcrumbs instead of outright info dump.No one outside of QC knows how their chip performs in the real world
We know from their claims we know roughly where the X Elite will be in benchmarks.No one outside of QC knows how their chip performs in the real world
Didn't Cinebench just become GPU bound with the replacement of the OG CPU based rendering engine with their recently acquired GPU path tracer Redshift?One of them being X Elite has 2x performance of Apple M2 in Cinebench 2024
It has a sorta usable GPU test now but no.Didn't Cinebench just become GPU bound with the replacement of the OG CPU based rendering engine with their recently acquired GPU path tracer Redshift?
good news everyone!If so thar 2x result would be curb stomped by the Mx Max and Pro SKUs which both have much larger GPUs than the Mx base SKU.
Don't take my point for an endorsement of Apple Mx, never bought one of their products and never will 😂🤣😆good news everyone!
stx-halo exists.
Yes, unless plans change last minute.So is STX halo 40 CU or what?
Can you play Steam games on It? If not, then It can be the fastest SoC and I wouldn't care.But will Strix Point outperform Snapdragon X Elite?