Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

Really?

We are now using polls to guess IPC gains !?

o_0

It's either that or MLID videos. Should be comparably trustworthy really.

 

[soresu]

Well I guess this confirms the likelihood of Zen5c cores in some Strix SKUs.

 

[Geddagod]

Well I guess this confirms the likelihood of Zen5c cores in some Strix SKUs.

I mean I don't think this confirms anything, but ye certainly makes the rumors drastically more believable
Would be pretty interesting to see Zen 5C on 4nm vs 3nm though, assuming they aren't different...

 

[Goop_reformed]

empirically proven to be a mediocre source at best, but whatever

That was in the past, he has legit source atm. Fake it until you make it type of leakers.

 

[bakyt115]

empirically proven to be a mediocre source at best, but whatever

best we can do is completely ignore him. not mention his channel name. not discuss his thins because all his stuff is his own fantasy. every time we mentioned him (good way or bad way it isn't mutter) we give him credit. I think it is not fair that youtubers like him fooled us claiming that he has "source". hope it is my last post about him.

 

[PJVol]

Yeah, just "cancel" M.F.
There are a lot of thick-headed here who will gladly support you in this fruitful trend...

Quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat

 

[Timorous]

Why do people take leaks so seriously? I don't get it. At best it should lead to semi interesting theory crafting which can be quite fun until the products actually launch.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

I think even in the CPU department the difference between Strix Point and Strix Halo will be pretty big.
It will have 33% more cores, but also full Zen5 ones, so with Higher TDP It will clock higher without affecting the efficiency compared to Z5c.
I think 50% higher performance in CB should be pretty easy to do, at least If we compare <=45W vs >=100W.

 

[PJVol]

Why do people take leaks so seriously? I don't get it. At best it should lead to semi interesting theory crafting which can be quite fun until the products actually launch.

It’s strange that this seemingly obvious thing need to be said at all.

 

[FlameTail]

Is Strix Halo expected for laptops or desktop?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Is Strix Halo expected for laptops or desktop?

Laptops. Duhhhhhh.

AMD doesn't see a market for APUs. Hence no monolithic APU on AM5 yet.

 

[FlameTail]

Laptops. Duhhhhhh.

AMD doesn't see a market for APUs. Hence no monolithic APU on AM5 yet.

Soke rumours were saying Strix Halo might be desktop only, as well as that Halo is no longer monolithic.

Edit: *some

 

[SteinFG]

Soke rumours were saying Strix Halo might be desktop only, as well as that Halo is no longer monolithic.

Halo was never monolithic. Strix halo is not coming to desktop ever, unless AMD caves in to the demand of all 10 people who'd actually pay premium price for this chip on AM5.

 

[jpiniero]

Halo was never monolithic. Strix halo is not coming to desktop ever, unless AMD caves in to the demand of all 10 people who'd actually pay premium price for this chip on AM5.

It's "Quad" channel too so no AM5. I could see some SFF boards being released with it I guess.

 

[CakeMonster]

Why do people take leaks so seriously? I don't get it. At best it should lead to semi interesting theory crafting which can be quite fun until the products actually launch.

I'm a sucker for speculation and bold predictions. I just dislike proven liars with financial incentives who make it out to be more than that. Its the same with social media, it was fun before people started min-maxing it for profit. The people with the worst character flaws always win that game.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The people with the worst character flaws always win that game.

Yup. The psychopaths.

 

[LightningZ71]

It's "Quad" channel too so no AM5. I could see some SFF boards being released with it I guess.

I certainly see the POTENTIAL that we might see some generic STBs that use StrH. Just like we were seeing handhelds that used rembrandt before the Z1 Phoenix was released for that duty, StrH could very well wind up in that space.

There's a real potential for it being the basis of a Valve Steam Box, a generic STB that's actually "open", etc. Given it's specs, it could easily impact the PS5 and XboxX market.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

I certainly see the POTENTIAL that we might see some generic STBs that use StrH. Just like we were seeing handhelds that used rembrandt before the Z1 Phoenix was released for that duty, StrH could very well wind up in that space.

There's a real potential for it being the basis of a Valve Steam Box, a generic STB that's actually "open", etc. Given it's specs, it could easily impact the PS5 and XboxX market.

The problem is that Strix Halo is more expensive, so this Valve Steam Box will have to cost a lot more than the current consoles, which are already heavily subsidized.

Would there be a big enough market for such a console?

 

[Glo.]

Adroc said that Zen 5 has 35% IPC/perf increase.

Paul from RGT claims that 8950HS(35W) ES scores 3400 pts single threaded and 21k MT, in Geekbench 6.2, and 130/2400 pts in Cinebench 2024.

 

[Goop_reformed]

Adroc said that Zen 5 has 35% IPC/perf increase.

Paul from RGT claims that 8950HS(35W) ES scores 3400 pts single threaded and 21k MT, in Geekbench 6.2, and 130/2400 pts in Cinebench 2024.

Damn you are quick. Anyway 7950x official score is 2919 from here: https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/amd-ryzen-9-7950x

The 8950X late ES got 3500 roughly, so about 20% ST uplift. Very disappointing to me to be honest.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Imagine if the PS5 Pro is actually a Strix Halo in disguise

 

[Glo.]

Imagine if the PS5 Pro is actually a Strix Halo in disguise

Perf uplift would not be good enough. PS5 has 36 CUs.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The 8950X late ES got 3500 roughly, so about 20% ST uplift. Very disappointing to me to be honest.

That 20% ST uplift is gonna matter to MT uplift a lot, especially with multi-threaded game engines and most serious applications leveraging multiple cores. It's nothing to sneeze at and with V-cache, it will be a nightmare for Intel. Zen 5 is gonna crave bandwidth like a blue whale.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Adroc said that Zen 5 has 35% IPC/perf increase.

Paul from RGT claims that 8950HS(35W) ES scores 3400 pts single threaded and 21k MT, in Geekbench 6.2, and 130/2400 pts in Cinebench 2024.

And this 8950HS with 130/2400 pts is supposedly what? Strix Halo?

For comparison:
CB 2024
Ryzen 9 7950X -> 125/2185 pts

Not much better in ST If true.

 

[adroc_thurston]

And this 8950HS with 130/2400 pts is supposedly what?

STX1.