No fun in that for enthusiasts. Outside of specialized use cases, few have much use for that many cores.Have fun with 1024-cores at 4 GHz.
At least, there will be boards with 8 OAM-like sockets. Have fun with 1024-cores at 4 GHz.
Yeah it's not hard.Won't server SKUs like these soak up much if not all rejects of the kind which would, until now, still suffice as functioning Client bins?
No, you still get a big and mean CCD, just luggables-first.So, for Zen6 there will still be DIY motherboards (socketed) for enthusiasts, but the best we'll get is a high freq 8P+8C cores?
That's mobile, not luggables.No V-Cache w/16MB L3$ will be a bit of a step back for gamers.
You're as dumb as usual.Its toy market for EVERYBODY now.
Ugh. no.DIY will die
DIY will die
You get less memory latency/IO overhead using a monolithic design. There are distinct performance-related advantages to AMD's mobile SoCs versus their desktop counterparts. But, those mobile parts are not designed for the same clock targets as are expected on desktop, so in the end the mobile parts lag behind.Benefit how? Desktop will get gimped if it's based on mobile silicon. It would become the same thing as an HX series gamer/workstation CPU.
Negligeble differences.You get less memory latency/IO overhead using a monolithic design
No, it's all about power.here are distinct performance-related advantages to AMD's mobile SoCs versus their desktop counterparts
Yes they are, they use the exact same cores.But, those mobile parts are not designed for the same clock targets as are expected on desktop
IIRC That's what MLID pretty much said.All this makes me think it's most likely to land on the same process as Granite RIdge CCD's.
IMHO we are likely to see a 2025 Zen5 / RDNA4 APU which probably will be fabbed on an N3 variant node.
No.Also he said there was a possibility of a 24-core Zen5 AM5 product with 8 Zen5 + 16 Zen5C
AI accelerators?After seeing how little Zen 4 really changed, the hype people are creating about Zen 5 being the "real big thing" (with probably Xilinx accelerators embedded
Benefit how? Desktop will get gimped if it's based on mobile silicon. It would become the same thing as an HX series gamer/workstation CPU.
Yea it is.
TSV macro on a 16MB LLC part is no bueno.
DT isn't anywhere relevant enough for that garbage to exist.
Negligeble differences.
No, it's all about power.
Yes they are, they use the exact same cores.
Client isn't getting higher core count CCDs.If they move to 16 core chiplet, then it could have more L3 and bigger V-Cache over it.
That's wayyy too expensive.Or, figure out a different placement of TSVs (in L2?), ditch L3 from main die and only have V-Cache.
It didn't.Pretty sure Rembrandt offered more than that over bog-standard Zen3 at a fixed clock.
Who cares, luggables and mobile workstations are more relevant.Yes, the power benefits are nice as well, though that becomes less relevant in DiY desktop where cooling is plentiful up until the 120-180W range.
Yea they do, 8c Phoenix doesn't clock any less or any more than the 8c Raphael.Yet the mobile parts don't have the same power draw or sustain the same clocks as the dissimilar desktop parts that currently rely on an IOD.
Hey, I have the money. I am just not willing to pay that much for something I don't really need.Client isn't getting higher core count CCDs.
You don't need more cores.
You're not getting more of anything since none of you have the money to pay for it.
How subtle of you.You're not getting more of anything since none of you have the money to pay for it.
What is the segment breakdown of that OEM DT? It seems like 80% are just dirt cheap 4-6c socketed mobile chips. The rest might be interesting but not really.Intel still has gigantic OEM DT presence.
Just that the market has obscene inertia and AMD is unlikely to break thru it just yet.
So what will be the benefit for me in there as a "desktop" customer? I dont need mobility neither do i need server.Negligeble differences.
No, it's all about power.
Yes they are, they use the exact same cores.
Well, if AMD is taking Intel´s route now, no reason to buy them then. Might as well default back to Intel with the next rig in couple of years. Maybe they will put their stuff together in the meantime.How subtle of you.
ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT WE LOT HERE ARE A BUNCH OF WISHFUL BEGGARS???
(I know you want to say it like that. Just say it )
AMD was the first to break the mainstream core count barrier. They don't feel inclined to do that again unless things get really bad for them. So yeah, we gonna be stuck at 16C/32T for a while. Make that years.
I replaced the boards since BIOS updates didn’t help much. I forgot to mention that my 1950X eventually became problem free when I replaced the MSI board with an ASUS.Were the issues you mentioned only at CPU launch and close in time after that so they have been fixed in later BIOS updates and all the systems are now problem free, or are you still having issues with the problematic systems?
IIRC That's what MLID pretty much said.
Also he said there was a possibility of a 24-core Zen5 AM5 product with 8 Zen5 + 16 Zen5C. No mention of 32-core parts.
And it will still exist.DIY is bigger than just Intel & AMD. There is an entire multi billion dollar ecosystem ranging from memory, storage, cases, power supplies, etc.
Even the major players (Intel, Nvidia & AMD) are merely selling the same silicon with different packaging repurposed for desktop so it’s not a huge drain on resources.
There are companies like Holley that have sales of $100M+ in just carburetors in 2023. I don’t see desktop DIY dying off within our lifetimes.
Intel is actually the ones who are pushing for moving the form factor of DT .You're as dumb as usual.
Intel still has gigantic OEM DT presence.
Just that the market has obscene inertia and AMD is unlikely to break thru it just yet.
Not even a possibility unless you forgot how cache coherency works on AMD CPUs.Yes. Possibility != plan.
Ergo, no money, since your definition of value is different to that of any DC guy.Hey, I have the money. I am just not willing to pay that much for something I don't really need
No, just that xtors aren't really getting measurably cheaper anymore.ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT WE LOT HERE ARE A BUNCH OF WISHFUL BEGGARS???
No, it's all dedicated -S dies.What is the segment breakdown of that OEM DT? It seems like 80% are just dirt cheap 4-6c socketed mobile chips.
You get a more efficient (particularly at idle) platform with all the uncore bits being updated in lockstep with mobile.So what will be the benefit for me in there as a "desktop" customer?
No I don't think cIOD has enough directory bits to support 24/32c parts.Technically doable vs something AMD manufacture and release to market are not the same thing.
That's just wrong on so many levels.Intel is actually the ones who are pushing for moving the form factor of DT
More efficient platform is always nice, but if that higher efficiency does not translate into higher performance, it does nothing for me. On desktop, unlike mobile, i am not power constrained.You get a more efficient (particularly at idle) platform with all the uncore bits being updated in lockstep with mobile.